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Innit a bit too early to consider this a Kingdom? Prof. Majidzadeh seems to be in a hurry to introduce a new civilisation, but let's keep our heads on our shoulders. No real evidence that Shahr-e Sukhte is really related to the Jiroft. I think placing this in the official chronology of Iranian History is a bit pre-mature... -- Khodadad 09:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
This is very exciting! 129.11.76.230 11:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It may only be tendentious to call this short article "Jiroft Civilization". What about Tepe Yahya Civilization, Susa Civilization, Manchester Civilization, etc. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that there was no civilization at Jiroft, but it may be a bit early to name a new civilization after this archaeological site. But let's stick to the facts. Jiroft is, if I am correct, the name of a number of archaeological sites in a valley in south-eastern Iran. It has yielded little information so far (diregarding the looted artifacts SAID to come from Jiroft). There is absolutely no proof of a king of Jiroft, no proof of writing at Jiroft (the 2 examples "published" only in the news-media cannot be confirmed as actual writing!). In my opinion, for what it is worth, this article should be called Jiroft, and contain, as far as possible, detailed information about the area, and the on-going excavation. This is difficult enough, but much more exciting than quessing about new writing systems and ancient kings. Jacob Dahl Berlin 20060613
The article uses 'aims to uncover an unknown "civilization" ', the word 'aims' gives me the impression that rather than drawing conclusions from what is actually there, this is some sort of nationalist project to come up with a civilzation for Iran that is as ancient as Sumer. If this is not the case, perhaps the inital paragraph should be rewritten. JamesFox 18:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I've adjusted the headers on sections--they were a bit lurid before, making claims rather than simply prefacing sections. Jeff Fecke 1703 16 Feb 07 UTC
The article just gets more and more fantasist and POV. You crazy, crazy nationalists and your fetish for my civilization is older than yours (guess what, you \don't\ descend from that people anyway.) 201.19.214.1 22:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
A discussion about this article has been started by dab at the [Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard]], at [1] I said there, that it would appear this entire article needs to be rewritten in an altogether different manner. See: Science "Andrew Lawler, Ancient Writing or Modern Fakery?, Science 3 August 2007: Vol. 317. no. 5838, pp. 588 - 589.", I have a copy, which I can send to anyone interested. DGG ( talk) 03:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so this culture was highly dubious in 2004, based on a bunch of confiscated objects with no archaeological records, and a flurry of "latest news" of excavations reported by Iranian news sites. Four years have passed. What are the news? Anything academic? There was allegedly a "Jiroft International Seminar" in 2004, and the University of Pennsylvania was allegedly translating the proceedings for publication in English in 2006 [2]. Where are these proceedings? It seems to be impossible to track any publications following the skeptical comments by Lawler and Muscarella of 2003-04. Has the entire "Jiroft civilization" just been silently laid to rest since, to haunt us from the occasional nationalist crackpot blog, or are there still any publications in the pipeline? dab (𒁳) 11:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
there is a wealth of discussion at the aratta page that might inform this article-- Gurdjieff ( talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The translation and editing of the English publication was finished last summer 2007 and sent to peer reviewers in the fall. This I know for certain. As for the progress of the publication and becoming available... 68.81.93.3 ( talk) 03:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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If Sumerians invented writing about 3200 BCE and this culture is from the late 3rd millennium BCE, how could theirs be the earliest script? -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 00:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Innit a bit too early to consider this a Kingdom? Prof. Majidzadeh seems to be in a hurry to introduce a new civilisation, but let's keep our heads on our shoulders. No real evidence that Shahr-e Sukhte is really related to the Jiroft. I think placing this in the official chronology of Iranian History is a bit pre-mature... -- Khodadad 09:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
This is very exciting! 129.11.76.230 11:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It may only be tendentious to call this short article "Jiroft Civilization". What about Tepe Yahya Civilization, Susa Civilization, Manchester Civilization, etc. I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that there was no civilization at Jiroft, but it may be a bit early to name a new civilization after this archaeological site. But let's stick to the facts. Jiroft is, if I am correct, the name of a number of archaeological sites in a valley in south-eastern Iran. It has yielded little information so far (diregarding the looted artifacts SAID to come from Jiroft). There is absolutely no proof of a king of Jiroft, no proof of writing at Jiroft (the 2 examples "published" only in the news-media cannot be confirmed as actual writing!). In my opinion, for what it is worth, this article should be called Jiroft, and contain, as far as possible, detailed information about the area, and the on-going excavation. This is difficult enough, but much more exciting than quessing about new writing systems and ancient kings. Jacob Dahl Berlin 20060613
The article uses 'aims to uncover an unknown "civilization" ', the word 'aims' gives me the impression that rather than drawing conclusions from what is actually there, this is some sort of nationalist project to come up with a civilzation for Iran that is as ancient as Sumer. If this is not the case, perhaps the inital paragraph should be rewritten. JamesFox 18:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I've adjusted the headers on sections--they were a bit lurid before, making claims rather than simply prefacing sections. Jeff Fecke 1703 16 Feb 07 UTC
The article just gets more and more fantasist and POV. You crazy, crazy nationalists and your fetish for my civilization is older than yours (guess what, you \don't\ descend from that people anyway.) 201.19.214.1 22:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
A discussion about this article has been started by dab at the [Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard]], at [1] I said there, that it would appear this entire article needs to be rewritten in an altogether different manner. See: Science "Andrew Lawler, Ancient Writing or Modern Fakery?, Science 3 August 2007: Vol. 317. no. 5838, pp. 588 - 589.", I have a copy, which I can send to anyone interested. DGG ( talk) 03:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so this culture was highly dubious in 2004, based on a bunch of confiscated objects with no archaeological records, and a flurry of "latest news" of excavations reported by Iranian news sites. Four years have passed. What are the news? Anything academic? There was allegedly a "Jiroft International Seminar" in 2004, and the University of Pennsylvania was allegedly translating the proceedings for publication in English in 2006 [2]. Where are these proceedings? It seems to be impossible to track any publications following the skeptical comments by Lawler and Muscarella of 2003-04. Has the entire "Jiroft civilization" just been silently laid to rest since, to haunt us from the occasional nationalist crackpot blog, or are there still any publications in the pipeline? dab (𒁳) 11:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
there is a wealth of discussion at the aratta page that might inform this article-- Gurdjieff ( talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
The translation and editing of the English publication was finished last summer 2007 and sent to peer reviewers in the fall. This I know for certain. As for the progress of the publication and becoming available... 68.81.93.3 ( talk) 03:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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If Sumerians invented writing about 3200 BCE and this culture is from the late 3rd millennium BCE, how could theirs be the earliest script? -- ExperiencedArticleFixer ( talk) 00:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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