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Gay is immaterial to the FEMA and real estate deals he made and broke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.43 ( talk) 17:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Governor. That has simply not occurred yet.
Certainly there have been many, many closeted gays in office over the years who have also been outed. So I don't think this individual deserves the distinction awarded to him.
Sorry.
-- 69.37.38.64 12:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Read a little closer: That's Openly gay there, chief. Aceholiday lumbia University (undergrad) 1978
Georgetown University (law) 1981
Harvard University (masters in education) 1982
offices: New Jersey Assembly 1990-1
Mayor of Woodbridge 1991-4
New Jersey Senate 1994-7
New Jersey Governor 2001-4 (resigned 8/12/2004 due to extramarital affair with a man)
First wife: ?Kari Schutz?
I added about 95% of the speech to the article discounting some irrelevant points. I will yield to the community now to see which portions may be irrelevant to the article. Arminius 22:37, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Why did he delay the date of his resignation to November? -- Patricknoddy 20:49, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) User:Patricknoddy User talk:Patricknoddy 16:49 August 13, 2004 (EDT)
McGreevey delayed the effective date of his resignation to November 2004 in order to avoid forcing a special election, thereby allowing fellow Democrat and New Jersey Senate President Richard Codey to serve out McGreevey's term. Codey, who had served as acting governor before McGreevey's inauguration, will become acting governor again until the next general election in 2005. (Meelar forgot to sign).
McGreevy needs to let the voters decide who will lead the state until the 2005 elections - so he needs to STEP DOWN NOW (not wait until Nov 15 2004)!
If Mcreevey waits until Nov 15 2003 he will deprive the voters of their right to elect who will govern the state - he made that Nov 15 2004 date for selfish, political reasons and he made a backroom deal to help himself. He needs to do the right thing and STEP DOWN NOW!
He's already past the deadline for a new election, and the fact that he has not submitted any paperwork regarding resignation may well be a sign that he'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming from Drumthwacket. Announcing your intent to resign ("I have decided the right course of action is to resign. To facilitate a responsible transition my resignation will be effective on November 15th of his year.") isn't the same as resigning. - Nunh-huh 07:45, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
McGreevey has not yet sent in his letter of resignation to Secretary Thomas. - Calmypal 17:07, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
The further edit Moncrief made is fine. My point is that the previous wording, to the unitiated reader, implied that he was either openly gay when elected or not long after attaining office. That further implies that his "gayness" was tolerated by the public until his affair came to light. In fact he didn't become "openly gay" until the issue was forced, He would have been in a difficult position if he continued to represent himself as straight (which he did by virtue of his marriage to a woman). So I would say he was didn't come out of the closet, he was forced out, and that is not openly gay, IMO. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:30, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Moncrief, your further change is also OK by me. It removes the ambiguity (I think) of when and how he "came out." Howver, I'm a little uncomfortable with characterizing him as an "openly gay governor," because his openness and resignation went hand in hand, so we'll never know how the electorate felt about his gayness, since it is bound up in scandal and resignation. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:34, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have added trivia about the soap opera One Life to Live. It comes from Soap Opera Digest Magazine. User:Dowew May 17, 2005
There is at least one other openly gay "governmental leader" in the US. The mayor of Providence, Rhode Island, David Cicilline, is openly gay.
For the internationally savvy, have there ever been any gay prime ministers or governors in any states / provinces anywhere else in the world? user:J.J.
I reverted edits that were made to the succession box. Please note, following Donald DiFrancesco, the office was occupied by Acting Governors John Farmer Jr., John O. Bennett, and Richard Codey. Accurizer 16:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone verify his daughter is named "Morag"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.9.228 ( talk • contribs)
Morag is a common girl's name in Ireland, from where McGreevey's family came Catherinejarvis ( talk) 15:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I find this article on Jim McGreevey to be extremely lacking in one regard - there is absolutely no mention of why his first marriage broke up. Is it because his first wife found out that he was a homosexual? I mean, she just got up and moved to British Columbia - almost as if she was trying to move her and their daughter as far away from him as possible. Is it a big secret? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.139.97 ( talk) 07:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I added this start of divorce: Jim and Dina Matos McGreevey's divorce trial in the Union County Courthouse in Elizabeth, started on May 6, 2008, to end their 3 1/2-year separation. Jim asked the court for equal custody of their 6-year-old daughter, alimony and child support. Matos McGreevey demanded $ 600,000 compensation. McGreevey, 50, now lives with a male partner and is studying to be an Episcopal priest. Stephen Haller, his lawyer will present witness Teddy Pedersen, 29: "Plaintiff will testify at trial that he needed to have a disrobed male present in the room with them in order for him to become physically aroused; This tends to prove that plaintiff was at least bisexual, a fact which should have been obvious to defendant prior to the marriage." Matos McGreevey's lawyer John Post, would block Pedersen's testimony. [1] [2] -- Florentino floro ( talk) 09:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
References
What does FEMA have to do with this?
In her memoirs, Matos wrote that she would never have married McGreevey if she had known he was gay, nor would she have chosen to have a gay man to father her child.[70] On March 17, 2008, Theodore Pedersen, a former aide to McGreevey, claimed that from 1999 to 2001 he had a three-way affair with McGreevey and Matos, a statement later affirmed by email from McGreevey to the Associated Press. That claim has been recently affirmed by FEMA.[70][71] In a statement to ABC News, Matos denied that a threesome ever took place.[72]
JBFrenchhorn ( talk) 06:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Today someone suddenly undid a longstanding and well-sourced part of the intro. He did it contrary to Wiki policy in that instead of assuming good faith or seeking consensus, he flatly accused the writer of seeking "to tar" the subject and undid the text without discussion:
20:28, 25 July 2008 David Shankbone (Talk | contribs) (34,058 bytes) (Removed effort to tar McGreevey with scandals of associates; scandals McGreevey was cleared of. Let's keep the article NPOV) (undo)
After I restored it, pointing out the importance of assuming good faith and seeking consensus, he undid it again, without proper explanation.
He may have a very good reason for deleting that text. If so, there is no need to hurl accusations. Perhaps a cordial discussion of the issue here on these talk pages might be more productive. I would welcome it. Thefactis ( talk) 22:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Now call me a prude, but could find another way to put it? I mean children may read this. Sad what is happening to our culture... 96.250.83.177 ( talk) 23:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC) God Bless.
I am going to delete the sentences on threesomes as a violation of BLP - even if there is a source it has been denied, and it is a accusation against someone who are still alive Catherinejarvis ( talk) 15:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that a section dealing with public opinion during McGreevey's governorship is lacking on this page. I propose adding a graph and a public opinion narrative. Mkrayton ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC).
I'll try to post this in talk sections of both Jim McGreevey and Dina Matos.
I take it it's understandable that it would take a while to realize one was gay (I don't know what McGreevey knew and when he knew it regarding this). I also recall reading in Ann Landers and/or Abby Van Buren that (considering marriage to be between a man and a woman) one should NOT enter marriage if gay. (I suggest you talk elsewhere about the definition of marriage, because I don't want to be involved in it here and we'd be digressing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 19:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
In the vast majority of Wikipedia sites I have seen, the personal life section comes at the end of an article, not the beginning. It appears here that the personal life section is put up front to embarrass the subject or color the reader's perspective in advance, whereas a typical article would show his professional career first. In addition, the section on Golan Cipel seems unusually large compared to the section on McGreevey's governorship in general. I suggest the article is overly focused on scandal for its own sake rather than a dispassionate review. Catherinejarvis ( talk) 18:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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Gay is immaterial to the FEMA and real estate deals he made and broke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.19.14.43 ( talk) 17:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Governor. That has simply not occurred yet.
Certainly there have been many, many closeted gays in office over the years who have also been outed. So I don't think this individual deserves the distinction awarded to him.
Sorry.
-- 69.37.38.64 12:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Read a little closer: That's Openly gay there, chief. Aceholiday lumbia University (undergrad) 1978
Georgetown University (law) 1981
Harvard University (masters in education) 1982
offices: New Jersey Assembly 1990-1
Mayor of Woodbridge 1991-4
New Jersey Senate 1994-7
New Jersey Governor 2001-4 (resigned 8/12/2004 due to extramarital affair with a man)
First wife: ?Kari Schutz?
I added about 95% of the speech to the article discounting some irrelevant points. I will yield to the community now to see which portions may be irrelevant to the article. Arminius 22:37, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Why did he delay the date of his resignation to November? -- Patricknoddy 20:49, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) User:Patricknoddy User talk:Patricknoddy 16:49 August 13, 2004 (EDT)
McGreevey delayed the effective date of his resignation to November 2004 in order to avoid forcing a special election, thereby allowing fellow Democrat and New Jersey Senate President Richard Codey to serve out McGreevey's term. Codey, who had served as acting governor before McGreevey's inauguration, will become acting governor again until the next general election in 2005. (Meelar forgot to sign).
McGreevy needs to let the voters decide who will lead the state until the 2005 elections - so he needs to STEP DOWN NOW (not wait until Nov 15 2004)!
If Mcreevey waits until Nov 15 2003 he will deprive the voters of their right to elect who will govern the state - he made that Nov 15 2004 date for selfish, political reasons and he made a backroom deal to help himself. He needs to do the right thing and STEP DOWN NOW!
He's already past the deadline for a new election, and the fact that he has not submitted any paperwork regarding resignation may well be a sign that he'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming from Drumthwacket. Announcing your intent to resign ("I have decided the right course of action is to resign. To facilitate a responsible transition my resignation will be effective on November 15th of his year.") isn't the same as resigning. - Nunh-huh 07:45, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
McGreevey has not yet sent in his letter of resignation to Secretary Thomas. - Calmypal 17:07, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
The further edit Moncrief made is fine. My point is that the previous wording, to the unitiated reader, implied that he was either openly gay when elected or not long after attaining office. That further implies that his "gayness" was tolerated by the public until his affair came to light. In fact he didn't become "openly gay" until the issue was forced, He would have been in a difficult position if he continued to represent himself as straight (which he did by virtue of his marriage to a woman). So I would say he was didn't come out of the closet, he was forced out, and that is not openly gay, IMO. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:30, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Moncrief, your further change is also OK by me. It removes the ambiguity (I think) of when and how he "came out." Howver, I'm a little uncomfortable with characterizing him as an "openly gay governor," because his openness and resignation went hand in hand, so we'll never know how the electorate felt about his gayness, since it is bound up in scandal and resignation. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:34, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have added trivia about the soap opera One Life to Live. It comes from Soap Opera Digest Magazine. User:Dowew May 17, 2005
There is at least one other openly gay "governmental leader" in the US. The mayor of Providence, Rhode Island, David Cicilline, is openly gay.
For the internationally savvy, have there ever been any gay prime ministers or governors in any states / provinces anywhere else in the world? user:J.J.
I reverted edits that were made to the succession box. Please note, following Donald DiFrancesco, the office was occupied by Acting Governors John Farmer Jr., John O. Bennett, and Richard Codey. Accurizer 16:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone verify his daughter is named "Morag"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.9.228 ( talk • contribs)
Morag is a common girl's name in Ireland, from where McGreevey's family came Catherinejarvis ( talk) 15:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I find this article on Jim McGreevey to be extremely lacking in one regard - there is absolutely no mention of why his first marriage broke up. Is it because his first wife found out that he was a homosexual? I mean, she just got up and moved to British Columbia - almost as if she was trying to move her and their daughter as far away from him as possible. Is it a big secret? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.139.97 ( talk) 07:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I added this start of divorce: Jim and Dina Matos McGreevey's divorce trial in the Union County Courthouse in Elizabeth, started on May 6, 2008, to end their 3 1/2-year separation. Jim asked the court for equal custody of their 6-year-old daughter, alimony and child support. Matos McGreevey demanded $ 600,000 compensation. McGreevey, 50, now lives with a male partner and is studying to be an Episcopal priest. Stephen Haller, his lawyer will present witness Teddy Pedersen, 29: "Plaintiff will testify at trial that he needed to have a disrobed male present in the room with them in order for him to become physically aroused; This tends to prove that plaintiff was at least bisexual, a fact which should have been obvious to defendant prior to the marriage." Matos McGreevey's lawyer John Post, would block Pedersen's testimony. [1] [2] -- Florentino floro ( talk) 09:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
References
What does FEMA have to do with this?
In her memoirs, Matos wrote that she would never have married McGreevey if she had known he was gay, nor would she have chosen to have a gay man to father her child.[70] On March 17, 2008, Theodore Pedersen, a former aide to McGreevey, claimed that from 1999 to 2001 he had a three-way affair with McGreevey and Matos, a statement later affirmed by email from McGreevey to the Associated Press. That claim has been recently affirmed by FEMA.[70][71] In a statement to ABC News, Matos denied that a threesome ever took place.[72]
JBFrenchhorn ( talk) 06:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Today someone suddenly undid a longstanding and well-sourced part of the intro. He did it contrary to Wiki policy in that instead of assuming good faith or seeking consensus, he flatly accused the writer of seeking "to tar" the subject and undid the text without discussion:
20:28, 25 July 2008 David Shankbone (Talk | contribs) (34,058 bytes) (Removed effort to tar McGreevey with scandals of associates; scandals McGreevey was cleared of. Let's keep the article NPOV) (undo)
After I restored it, pointing out the importance of assuming good faith and seeking consensus, he undid it again, without proper explanation.
He may have a very good reason for deleting that text. If so, there is no need to hurl accusations. Perhaps a cordial discussion of the issue here on these talk pages might be more productive. I would welcome it. Thefactis ( talk) 22:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Now call me a prude, but could find another way to put it? I mean children may read this. Sad what is happening to our culture... 96.250.83.177 ( talk) 23:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC) God Bless.
I am going to delete the sentences on threesomes as a violation of BLP - even if there is a source it has been denied, and it is a accusation against someone who are still alive Catherinejarvis ( talk) 15:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that a section dealing with public opinion during McGreevey's governorship is lacking on this page. I propose adding a graph and a public opinion narrative. Mkrayton ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC).
I'll try to post this in talk sections of both Jim McGreevey and Dina Matos.
I take it it's understandable that it would take a while to realize one was gay (I don't know what McGreevey knew and when he knew it regarding this). I also recall reading in Ann Landers and/or Abby Van Buren that (considering marriage to be between a man and a woman) one should NOT enter marriage if gay. (I suggest you talk elsewhere about the definition of marriage, because I don't want to be involved in it here and we'd be digressing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 ( talk) 19:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
In the vast majority of Wikipedia sites I have seen, the personal life section comes at the end of an article, not the beginning. It appears here that the personal life section is put up front to embarrass the subject or color the reader's perspective in advance, whereas a typical article would show his professional career first. In addition, the section on Golan Cipel seems unusually large compared to the section on McGreevey's governorship in general. I suggest the article is overly focused on scandal for its own sake rather than a dispassionate review. Catherinejarvis ( talk) 18:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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