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I have added citations for most of the unsourced information. Ideally I would like to find a better source for his abortion voting record, but it will do for now. Tytrain ( talk) 21:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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Jordan has been subject to speculation about a possible 2012 U.S. Senate race aimed at unseating Democratic U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, who will seek a second term.
Jordan, who was re-elected on Tuesday, has been the subject of speculation about a possible 2012 U.S. Senate race aimed at unseating U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, who is expected to seek a second term.
Appearing on CNN on June 8, 2017, He expressed and defended Trump's position on the day of Comey testimony. Establishing his faction as staunch defenders of the administration might be a worthy topic for a new section in the article.-- Wikipietime ( talk) 11:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Oct 13, 2017, appearance with CNN Jake Taper to defend CSR move by Trump.-- Wikipietime ( talk) 11:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The main article appears to none too subtly attack Jordan as part of the wrestling scandal, and that is doubtless because Jordan is a defender of Trump and almost all Wikipedia articles slant toward a pro-Democrat outlook. I'd prefer to see Wikipedia be politically neutral, but its pro-Left bias is all too visible in almost every article, and in this one as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 ( talk) 00:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach with the Ohio State University's wrestling program from 1986 to 1994. In July 2018, former wrestlers that Jordan coached at the Ohio State University accused Jordan of failing to stop a team doctor from sexually assaulting them and other students. The former wrestlers said that it would have been impossible for Jordan to be unaware and one wrestler said that he told Jordan about the sexual assaults at the time. Jordan claimed that he was unaware of any abuse and his office did not respond to investigator's interview requests.
Eds: Don't restore this information until you get consensus here. Admins: Likewise, don't full-protect it. Many thanks! -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach with the Ohio State University's wrestling program from 1986 to 1994.is recentism or an NPOV issue and feel you should re-add that sentence. Removing the rest seems reasonable until there's consensus for a specific addition being neutrally worded, and/or the news situation has developed further. I also agree that WP:BLPN is more likely to get discussion than this talk page. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 21:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I brought this to the attention of the BLP noticeboard [1]. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 21:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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Background. Career History: . . . Assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State University (1987–1995). . . . After graduating in 1986, Jordan returned to his home state to work as an assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State for nine years.
preferred" source per the WP:RP AGE policy. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 02:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
This is a major news item with multiple allegations that at least needs to be acknowledged. People come here for facts. Amcarroll32 ( talk) 23:40, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
If a rule prevents you from improving [the encyclopedia], ignore it.Sustained! ☺ But can we timely achieve a WP:CONSENSUS about improving this part of the article? Yes! Most interested editors (whether conservative or liberal) regard the Wall Street Journal as a high-quality mainstream source with no real axe to grind. More coming up... -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 04:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC) 07:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
In early July 2018, several former wrestlers said that they believed hewashad been aware of, but didn't respond to, allegations of sexual misconduct by team doctor Richard Strauss. If he had seen abuse at the time, Jordan replied, "I would have done something about it." Former wrestler Dunyasha Yetts said he was "lying." Former UFC world champion Mark Coleman said, "He knew as far as I'm concerned." [1]
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Former Ohio State wrestler Mike DiSabato has led a campaign to publicize Dr. Strauss's alleged wrongdoings for months and only recently began to criticize Mr. Jordan for allegedly ignoring athletes' concerns.
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Former wrestler Dunyasha Yetts said he was "lying".I'll let someone else revert it, though. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 07:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
It should be on the page.
How many more days will Trumpsters stop it from happening? They'll eventually lose the edit war but - as usual - they ruin everything. Sad.
AllThatJazz2012 ( talk) 07:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
The introduction of the page focuses heavily on the Ohio State University sexual abuse scandal, but it does not address several key factors. It ignores the fact that 7 coaches and over 20 wrestlers who were involved with Ohio State wrestling have supported Rep. Jordan's denials. [1] If the article is going to give credence to Jordan's accusers, it has to acknowledge his far more numerous defenders in the OSU wrestling program.
The "Ohio State University sex abuse scandal" section does not address Jordan's defenders either. None of these sections address the fact that Jordan's two primary accusers, Michael DiSabato and Dunyasha Yetts, both have criminal records. [2] DiSabato has a long-standing feud with Ohio State University and a personal vendetta against the Jordan family. [3] Yetts has served time in prison for fraud, a crime of dishonesty, and thus should not be taken seriously as an accuser. [4]
Hold my jacket - You cited no RS materials and focused on victim shaming. I'm guessing that you are a paid PR Flack, Jordan staffer or relative? ExCITEable ( talk) 15:57, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
The introductory section should include the fact that Jordan has announced his candidacy for Speaker of the House. [5]
A fairer way to describe the Freedom Caucus in the introduction would be to describe them as the "most conservative contingent of the House Republican Conference."
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7Fury7 ( talk) 15:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)Ian Fury
The Ohio State sex scandal section is way overblown in the way of undue weight. The scandal itself is not about Jordan but about the team physician and about those bringing the allegations against him, therefore an entire section on this is unwarranted. The content on it in the lead is unwarranted and needs to be removed. The section in question is also focused on allegations against Jordan that are he said and he said and she might have said, but nothing is concrete or proven. That makes it unencyclopedic content which means it doesn't belong in the capacity it currently exists. There needs to be a subsection on his time as coach at the university in the "early life, education, and career" section with a mention of the scandal. But, since nothing has come of the "I think he saw something even though the facts aren't there to prove it" accusations, there's little to say on it in this encyclopedia article. As it is, what's there is more National Enquirer or People Magazine than encyclopedic. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 19:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I think it should be added to the first paragraph. The Penn State abuse scandal is in the first paragraph of Joe Paterno's wiki just as the OSU scandal should be listed for Jordan. There is zero evidence that substantiates Jordan's repeated assertions asssertions that he has been vindicated. Blaming or discrediting the victims is the stuff of the guilty. Jordan is the self-proclaimed "King of the Sauna", he had a locker next to Strauss, 53 of the 177 victims were wrestlers and Jordan once said "if he (Strauss) ever tried anything with me, I'd kill him". Jordan's legacy is his failure to protect the kids on his team from a predator - there will be sanctions from the NCAA and OSU will eventually compensate the victims, but money doesn't matter - what matters is that Jordan was an adult coach who did nothing to protect the kids on his team. Enough "wrestling with the truth" - the evidence is overwhelming. https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/12/22/10626658/the-last-wrestler (2015 profile and interview by Ohio freelance writer Daniel McGraw) https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-jim-jordan-denies-knowledge-of-sexual-abuse-ohio-state-699465/ (compiles RS citations) ExCITEable ( talk) 15:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I have removed a few lines from that section that were not relevant to Jordan, as well as for BLP reasons. Now that the election is far behind us, that topic seems to have completely died down, and doesn't have much enduring notability. Per BLP concerns, please discuss here before reinserting. Mr Ernie ( talk) 11:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Russ Hellickson is an olympic medalist, hall of fame member etc. He has engaged in witness tampering and is "Head Coach A" in the Perkins Coie investigation paid for by OSU. I added the scandal to his page with additional detail about the conspiracy between Jim Jordan, his brother Jeff and Hellickson to contact and pressure victims' families. All RS cited. If wikipedia is meant to preserve history, Hellickson, Jordan, Sandusky, Paterno, Nassar and Paterno should not be allowed to edit out their immorality or crimes. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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If anybody actually reads this, Russ Hellickson said "I will defend Jimmy until I have to put my hand on a Bible and be asked to tell the truth, then Jimmy will be on his own.” Before Hellickson dies of shame or under mysterious circumstances someone should put him in the hot seat (under oath). Jordan will never admit the truth - he's a tough little scrapper who has spent his life looking up to almost everyone (he's a little fella, you know).
Rant aside, this is a developing story and should be updated in real time instead of after the settlements are reached. People courageous enough to come forward and acknowledge publicly that they were victimized should not be ignored just because the accused is a political figure. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
The section on the OSU abuse allegations is significant and belongs in the article. However, as of earlier today, that section was ten (10) paragraphs long, making it the longest section in the entire article. This seemed quite excessive and overly detailed. I have made some WP:BOLD edits to trim it down to three paragraphs. If anyone thinks something specific that I deleted needs to be re-included, I will have no objection. SunCrow ( talk) 03:17, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I think you cut too much. I disagree with your premise that the abuse scandal was over-emphasised. Roughly 50% of Joe Paterno's wikipedia page relates to the abuse scandal at Penn State. Jordan was the "King of the Sauna" and his locker was next to Strauss'. 53 of the 177 victims identified in the 2019 independent Perkins Coie OSU Report were wrestlers. Jordan's intimate knowledge and close proximity to the abuse is inly revealed through detail. Removing the detail makes it too easy for PR flacks and repetition to diminish or obfuscate the fact that Jordan knew kids on his team were being abused and was too much of a coward to simply dial 911. Te quotes and detail should be restored and preserved for the record. Facts are facts. I added this section in the first place (then registered, then read up on the rules and form). While I disagree with your edits and believe that you over-simplified the issue, your writing is concise and very well done. ExCITEable ( talk) 13:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Partisans are minimizing Jordan's role in the OSU scandal and deleting properly sourced quotes and facts that are relevent. The page should not be locked if a chosen few can delete RS citations made before it was locked. ExCITEable ( talk) 13:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Does a notable quotes category meet the WP standards? Obviously only RS. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:58, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
That sexual misconduct on the part of a physician may have occurred while Jordan was assistant coach is not Jordan's fault. The passage is unfair and should be deleted. Irrelevant to Jordan's biography, its inclusion may nevertheless color the reader's impression of Jordan. 71.32.45.99 ( talk) 00:11, 7 February 2020 (UTC)Karl Pomeroy
Earlier today, ExCITEable added a good deal of content regarding the OSU abuse scandal (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=940520390&oldid=940423139). That content included the following:
The edit summary reads as follows: "Added new 2/2020 Adam DiSabato testimony under oath that Jim Jordan is a a coward who has intimidated and pressured witnesses regarding his failure to report abuse of children he was coaching".
The added material seemed repetitive and POV, so I removed the paragraph beginning "In a videotaped deposition..." (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940521938). I also reorganized the article a bit (it needed it) and removed a sentence quoting John Boehner as having called Jordan an "asshole" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=940524083&oldid=940522359).
In response, ExCITEable reverted my edits. The first revert (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940524083) was accompanied by the following edit summary: "Not sure if SunCrow is a paid staffer or not but the fact that Speaker Boehner (also from Ohio) stated that Jordan "is an asshole" and "was a terrorist" going back to his service in the Ohio State Legislature is documented, relevant to his political career as an outspoken public person and does not violate the BLP rules. Change it back and keep trying to gild the lily SunCrow - it'll just get reverted". However, the revert also undid a bunch of other noncontroversial material that had nothing to do with the "asshole" comment.
The second revert (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940536223) reinstated the paragraph I had deleted regarding the OSU scandal. It was accompanied by the following edit summary: "replaced the deleted Adam DiSabato RS video deposition link. Jordan is a coward who abandoned his team (sure, that's my opinion, however, this is publicly available sworn videotaped testimony by a contemporaneous witness. Delete is SunCrow - Sunshine is a disinfectant and you will not rewrite history.)"
I reinstated the structural edits I had made (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940539753) and added the following edit summary: "reinstate structural edits that improved the article and were reverted without justification. i have left the 'asshole' comment in the article and will take it to the talk page.)
The following two bits of content are in dispute:
I contend that the first paragraph is repetitive of the previous paragraph, is undue, and is an effort to hammer away at Jordan in violation of WP:NPOV. I contend that the second is undue and is a cheap shot. Does anyone have any thoughts?
I will be making further edits to the page, as there are several instances where blatantly biased language is included. The conduct from ExCITEable will be addressed on his talk page. SunCrow ( talk) 09:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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This seems to be getting more attention and witness's are speaking to the press more openly now. Heres a new referance that was just posted today https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/jordan-osu-wrestlers-strauss-invs/index.html I also agree this should be in the lead now. Jordan is known for this as much as anything else. ContentEditman ( talk) 23:43, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Jim Jordan voted against the Coronavirus Relief Bill that passed in the House on March 14, 2020. Can that be mentioned on this page? Seems like an important position on a major international issue. [1] Harry mattison ( talk) 14:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
With the market tanked it would be very helpful if we could suspend the RMD requirement on both IRA’s and 401K’s for the remainder of 2020. Of course I realize this should be an option as some may need the money even if it reduces their balances. For others, like myself I would like to allow our accounts to recover before taking monies out in the form of RMD requirement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retiredin2001 ( talk • contribs) 04:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Should the sourced fact that NBA player Jarrod Uthoff is Jordan’s son in law remain in Jordan’s personal life section? It is public info and not controversial. I believe that it should stay as the “personal life” sections in WP biographies usually do include notable relatives. But the info has been removed several times of late. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 19:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
There are a number of citations needed for his early career. I recommend using this page from the Congressional Record ColdDeepLake ( talk) 04:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
The image needs to be replaced. Jordan rarely wears a suitjacket, to the point of several news outlets commenting about that. He shouldn't be wearing a suitjacket in his main image. I proposed an alternate image, but was reverted. p b p 00:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure why administrators question why Jim Jordan's congressional district is not identified as being gerrymandered in the lead since it is well cited that a 3 panel Federal judges ruled that his district and all of Ohio's congressional districts have been illegally drawn up by the state GOP to favor the federal GOP, and have been ordered to redraw their maps in time for the 2020 election, of which the state has refused to do it. As a result, the courts will be redrawing it. Of all the districts, Jim Jordan's district was the leading evidence of the case, and his district would not have existed if not for gerrymandering, nor would he have been a member of the U.S. Congress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:FF08:100:E189:84D:85E6:856B ( talk) 00:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
This is a prominent member of Congress. I fail to understand how "Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d"'s claim that it's a WP:NOTNEWS violation to include content about the member of Congress refusing to acknowledge Biden's victory in the 2020 election. [3] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 20:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Jim Jordan was aware of a colleague committing rape, and choose to not act. Jim Jordan is complicit in the sexual abuse of students he was responsible for. 2603:8001:7003:F1F4:C938:E18D:D5EF:653B ( talk) 22:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be its own drop down? A) a large number of people coming to the page will be wanting to know about it B) it has been an ongoing court issue and is not neatly "early career" and is C) one of the more prominent aspects of his media life. 194.193.179.101 ( talk) 23:22, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Similarly to how the GOP attempted to push conspiracy theories and uncertainty propaganda in relation to climate scientists, it's the turn of academics studying and exposing disinformation. Jordan seems to have a conflict of interest as someone involved in pushing it, but is also, under the ironic pretense of protecting free speech, part of a campaign to silence academia... [2] And a few more sources about various recent activity: [3] [4] — Paleo Neonate – 15:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Let me lay down my marker first: I absolutely loathe this person (as a mere personal opinion, I think -- think -- its not a WP:BLP violation to write this; redact me if I'm wrong). I hope he steps on a Lego with bare feet. Or worse! I expect that the majority by far of people working on this article feel similarly. So, I really hate that I have to make this post. But we are Wikipedians first and all doesn't matter. Let's discuss the matters at hand with ice-cold fairmindednes
So, there is a quite long section about the Ohio State University abuse scandal. So, imagine if this was Bernie Sanders or some other politician you like. Here we have a situation where
Under WP:BLP you can't do do that. Thare's no "she deserves it" or "conviction or no, she's obviously guilty" exception. For one reason, that would be a slippery slope.
The issue hasn't really affected his political career. It's not like Watergate or Gary Hart with the Monkey Business or the Al Franken thing or like that. He still gets elected. He's still the chair of an important committee. It's not affecting his public career much. It's just something that his enemies wave around to little effect, and they hate him anyway, and hella politicians have various peccadilloes and allegations waved at them by their enemies to little effect. If he's voted out or recalled or censured or investigated by the ethics committee or expelled or what have you, that'd be different. But he hasn't been and isn't likely to be.
Comparing again to Bernie Sanders, I believe there was some thing where as a young activist he wrote a really embarassing editorial or something. Means nothing much and most everyone makes gaffes like that, but it is part of his public record and career, and has been brought up by enemies. There was also something a about a (minor, I think) real estate shenanigans. Well neither of those are even mentioned in his article that I could find.
So, and I'm not accusing any or some of us of doing this deliberately, it's very understandable, but this isn't fair to Jordan. The whole section has to go. We can talk about the scandal and his reported role in it as minimally and gently as we can possibly do without compromising our encyclopedic mission. Herostratus ( talk) 17:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
the Wikipedia page fails to cover this Representative's business interest or personal wealth. He isn't a regular guy, he make $1,000,000 in profits from his share or several companies. Where did he get these companies, he was a low level college wrestling coach, not exactly a high paying job. 69.54.142.165 ( talk) 23:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 18:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Jim Jordan (American politician) → Jim Jordan – The politician is the primary topic due to long term significance and pageviews (with about 32x the daily average viewership than the next most viewed article). Note that Jim Jordan (actor) is commonly referred to as "Fibber McGee" as opposed to Jim Jordan which was one of his few acting roles. Also note that this does not include articles titled "James Jordan". Sahaib ( talk) 19:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
"jim jordan" -author:jordan(which returned a few hits for the missing subject Jim Jordan (conjure doctor) [8]). Moving this page is likely to help most readers, as this is the main target from the dab page James Jordan (to which Jim Jordan currently redirects). Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Jim Jordan has a habit of voting “nay” on essential Veterans bills. More than once. Here is a quick write-up which was stripped from Jordan’s article because it lacked sources and was allegedly bias. Here is the “work in progress” and I hope someone can embed it into the article when it is finalized.
Jordan has never served in the military. The PACT ACT which expanded VA benefits to veterans exposed to toxic chemicals during their military service, received a "nay" from Jordan. Regarding cannabis, despite lobbying from VSOs such as the DAV [1] Jordan also voted against the 2016 Veterans Equal Access Amendment.
Twillisjr ( talk) 15:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC) Twillisjr ( talk) 15:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
This wiki does a disservice by not detailing any of the geopolitical issues of today (Ukraine, China, Gaza, North Korea).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:444:501:1382:ed0a:86d3:b1bd:ed53 ( talk) 20:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Please change "Democrats protested Jordan's behavior and urged their fellow senators representatives to allow Strzok to respond."
The lawmakers in question are not senators, they are representatives. 152.132.16.22 ( talk) 17:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
It is disingenuous to refer to Jim’s son-in-law as a professional basketball player. While technically true if we consider Japan’s b-league “professional,” it is at most extremely misleading. While a minor point, it should be clarified in the main text of his page that his son-in-law plays “professional basketball in Japan.” 166.205.147.32 ( talk) 18:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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In the second to last sentence of the “Early life and education” section, please change “an advanced” to “a Juris Doctor” to be more specific and consistent with the bio table.
In the bio table, please change “Capital University” to “Capital University Law School”.
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Apalpableelysium ( talk) 19:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Although certain editors, such as Apalpableelysium, are adding a Juris Doctorate to this article applied to Jim Jordan, there is no actual evidence that Jim Jordan ever received a Juris Doctorate from Capital University Law School. Jordan himself, on his Congressional webpage says that he received a law degree from that university. He doesn't claim a Juris Doctorate. I removed 2 of the 3 references from the Early Education section, because neither of them had any reference to Jim Jordan and his alleged educational achievement. They should not be used in the article because they don't support any claims at all. After a lengthy search, I was unable to find any references on the topic other than Jordan acquired an unspecified law degree. Yet, the editor, Apalpableelysium, has decided to reinvent and falsify Jim Jordan's educational credentials and reinstate these nonsupporting references. Apparently, he or she has a political agenda to promote misinformation on Wikipedia. 2 of those references have no purpose in this article other than to provide the illusory appearance of being referenced. I am going to reinstate this information to the level that Jim Jordan himself claims, rather than the inventions claimed by an anonymous Wikipedia editor. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 21:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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I have added citations for most of the unsourced information. Ideally I would like to find a better source for his abortion voting record, but it will do for now. Tytrain ( talk) 21:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
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Jordan has been subject to speculation about a possible 2012 U.S. Senate race aimed at unseating Democratic U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, who will seek a second term.
Jordan, who was re-elected on Tuesday, has been the subject of speculation about a possible 2012 U.S. Senate race aimed at unseating U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, who is expected to seek a second term.
Appearing on CNN on June 8, 2017, He expressed and defended Trump's position on the day of Comey testimony. Establishing his faction as staunch defenders of the administration might be a worthy topic for a new section in the article.-- Wikipietime ( talk) 11:32, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Oct 13, 2017, appearance with CNN Jake Taper to defend CSR move by Trump.-- Wikipietime ( talk) 11:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
The main article appears to none too subtly attack Jordan as part of the wrestling scandal, and that is doubtless because Jordan is a defender of Trump and almost all Wikipedia articles slant toward a pro-Democrat outlook. I'd prefer to see Wikipedia be politically neutral, but its pro-Left bias is all too visible in almost every article, and in this one as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.216.213 ( talk) 00:23, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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I'm removing this material per BALASP policy, which says that impartial discussion of recent news reports may be disproportionate to their overall significance to the topic.
Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach with the Ohio State University's wrestling program from 1986 to 1994. In July 2018, former wrestlers that Jordan coached at the Ohio State University accused Jordan of failing to stop a team doctor from sexually assaulting them and other students. The former wrestlers said that it would have been impossible for Jordan to be unaware and one wrestler said that he told Jordan about the sexual assaults at the time. Jordan claimed that he was unaware of any abuse and his office did not respond to investigator's interview requests.
Eds: Don't restore this information until you get consensus here. Admins: Likewise, don't full-protect it. Many thanks! -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 21:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Jordan was an assistant wrestling coach with the Ohio State University's wrestling program from 1986 to 1994.is recentism or an NPOV issue and feel you should re-add that sentence. Removing the rest seems reasonable until there's consensus for a specific addition being neutrally worded, and/or the news situation has developed further. I also agree that WP:BLPN is more likely to get discussion than this talk page. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 21:25, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I brought this to the attention of the BLP noticeboard [1]. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 21:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
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older reports (closer to the event, but not too close such that they are prone to the errors of breaking news) tend to have the most detail, and are less likely to have errors introduced by repeated copying and summarizing.
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Background. Career History: . . . Assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State University (1987–1995). . . . After graduating in 1986, Jordan returned to his home state to work as an assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State for nine years.
preferred" source per the WP:RP AGE policy. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 02:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
This is a major news item with multiple allegations that at least needs to be acknowledged. People come here for facts. Amcarroll32 ( talk) 23:40, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
If a rule prevents you from improving [the encyclopedia], ignore it.Sustained! ☺ But can we timely achieve a WP:CONSENSUS about improving this part of the article? Yes! Most interested editors (whether conservative or liberal) regard the Wall Street Journal as a high-quality mainstream source with no real axe to grind. More coming up... -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 04:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC) 07:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
In early July 2018, several former wrestlers said that they believed hewashad been aware of, but didn't respond to, allegations of sexual misconduct by team doctor Richard Strauss. If he had seen abuse at the time, Jordan replied, "I would have done something about it." Former wrestler Dunyasha Yetts said he was "lying." Former UFC world champion Mark Coleman said, "He knew as far as I'm concerned." [1]
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Former Ohio State wrestler Mike DiSabato has led a campaign to publicize Dr. Strauss's alleged wrongdoings for months and only recently began to criticize Mr. Jordan for allegedly ignoring athletes' concerns.
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Former wrestler Dunyasha Yetts said he was "lying".I'll let someone else revert it, though. -- Dervorguilla ( talk) 07:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
It should be on the page.
How many more days will Trumpsters stop it from happening? They'll eventually lose the edit war but - as usual - they ruin everything. Sad.
AllThatJazz2012 ( talk) 07:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
The introduction of the page focuses heavily on the Ohio State University sexual abuse scandal, but it does not address several key factors. It ignores the fact that 7 coaches and over 20 wrestlers who were involved with Ohio State wrestling have supported Rep. Jordan's denials. [1] If the article is going to give credence to Jordan's accusers, it has to acknowledge his far more numerous defenders in the OSU wrestling program.
The "Ohio State University sex abuse scandal" section does not address Jordan's defenders either. None of these sections address the fact that Jordan's two primary accusers, Michael DiSabato and Dunyasha Yetts, both have criminal records. [2] DiSabato has a long-standing feud with Ohio State University and a personal vendetta against the Jordan family. [3] Yetts has served time in prison for fraud, a crime of dishonesty, and thus should not be taken seriously as an accuser. [4]
Hold my jacket - You cited no RS materials and focused on victim shaming. I'm guessing that you are a paid PR Flack, Jordan staffer or relative? ExCITEable ( talk) 15:57, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
The introductory section should include the fact that Jordan has announced his candidacy for Speaker of the House. [5]
A fairer way to describe the Freedom Caucus in the introduction would be to describe them as the "most conservative contingent of the House Republican Conference."
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7Fury7 ( talk) 15:29, 7 August 2018 (UTC)Ian Fury
The Ohio State sex scandal section is way overblown in the way of undue weight. The scandal itself is not about Jordan but about the team physician and about those bringing the allegations against him, therefore an entire section on this is unwarranted. The content on it in the lead is unwarranted and needs to be removed. The section in question is also focused on allegations against Jordan that are he said and he said and she might have said, but nothing is concrete or proven. That makes it unencyclopedic content which means it doesn't belong in the capacity it currently exists. There needs to be a subsection on his time as coach at the university in the "early life, education, and career" section with a mention of the scandal. But, since nothing has come of the "I think he saw something even though the facts aren't there to prove it" accusations, there's little to say on it in this encyclopedia article. As it is, what's there is more National Enquirer or People Magazine than encyclopedic. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 19:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I think it should be added to the first paragraph. The Penn State abuse scandal is in the first paragraph of Joe Paterno's wiki just as the OSU scandal should be listed for Jordan. There is zero evidence that substantiates Jordan's repeated assertions asssertions that he has been vindicated. Blaming or discrediting the victims is the stuff of the guilty. Jordan is the self-proclaimed "King of the Sauna", he had a locker next to Strauss, 53 of the 177 victims were wrestlers and Jordan once said "if he (Strauss) ever tried anything with me, I'd kill him". Jordan's legacy is his failure to protect the kids on his team from a predator - there will be sanctions from the NCAA and OSU will eventually compensate the victims, but money doesn't matter - what matters is that Jordan was an adult coach who did nothing to protect the kids on his team. Enough "wrestling with the truth" - the evidence is overwhelming. https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/12/22/10626658/the-last-wrestler (2015 profile and interview by Ohio freelance writer Daniel McGraw) https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-jim-jordan-denies-knowledge-of-sexual-abuse-ohio-state-699465/ (compiles RS citations) ExCITEable ( talk) 15:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I have removed a few lines from that section that were not relevant to Jordan, as well as for BLP reasons. Now that the election is far behind us, that topic seems to have completely died down, and doesn't have much enduring notability. Per BLP concerns, please discuss here before reinserting. Mr Ernie ( talk) 11:07, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Russ Hellickson is an olympic medalist, hall of fame member etc. He has engaged in witness tampering and is "Head Coach A" in the Perkins Coie investigation paid for by OSU. I added the scandal to his page with additional detail about the conspiracy between Jim Jordan, his brother Jeff and Hellickson to contact and pressure victims' families. All RS cited. If wikipedia is meant to preserve history, Hellickson, Jordan, Sandusky, Paterno, Nassar and Paterno should not be allowed to edit out their immorality or crimes. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
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If anybody actually reads this, Russ Hellickson said "I will defend Jimmy until I have to put my hand on a Bible and be asked to tell the truth, then Jimmy will be on his own.” Before Hellickson dies of shame or under mysterious circumstances someone should put him in the hot seat (under oath). Jordan will never admit the truth - he's a tough little scrapper who has spent his life looking up to almost everyone (he's a little fella, you know).
Rant aside, this is a developing story and should be updated in real time instead of after the settlements are reached. People courageous enough to come forward and acknowledge publicly that they were victimized should not be ignored just because the accused is a political figure. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
The section on the OSU abuse allegations is significant and belongs in the article. However, as of earlier today, that section was ten (10) paragraphs long, making it the longest section in the entire article. This seemed quite excessive and overly detailed. I have made some WP:BOLD edits to trim it down to three paragraphs. If anyone thinks something specific that I deleted needs to be re-included, I will have no objection. SunCrow ( talk) 03:17, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I think you cut too much. I disagree with your premise that the abuse scandal was over-emphasised. Roughly 50% of Joe Paterno's wikipedia page relates to the abuse scandal at Penn State. Jordan was the "King of the Sauna" and his locker was next to Strauss'. 53 of the 177 victims identified in the 2019 independent Perkins Coie OSU Report were wrestlers. Jordan's intimate knowledge and close proximity to the abuse is inly revealed through detail. Removing the detail makes it too easy for PR flacks and repetition to diminish or obfuscate the fact that Jordan knew kids on his team were being abused and was too much of a coward to simply dial 911. Te quotes and detail should be restored and preserved for the record. Facts are facts. I added this section in the first place (then registered, then read up on the rules and form). While I disagree with your edits and believe that you over-simplified the issue, your writing is concise and very well done. ExCITEable ( talk) 13:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Partisans are minimizing Jordan's role in the OSU scandal and deleting properly sourced quotes and facts that are relevent. The page should not be locked if a chosen few can delete RS citations made before it was locked. ExCITEable ( talk) 13:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Does a notable quotes category meet the WP standards? Obviously only RS. ExCITEable ( talk) 15:58, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
That sexual misconduct on the part of a physician may have occurred while Jordan was assistant coach is not Jordan's fault. The passage is unfair and should be deleted. Irrelevant to Jordan's biography, its inclusion may nevertheless color the reader's impression of Jordan. 71.32.45.99 ( talk) 00:11, 7 February 2020 (UTC)Karl Pomeroy
Earlier today, ExCITEable added a good deal of content regarding the OSU abuse scandal (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=940520390&oldid=940423139). That content included the following:
The edit summary reads as follows: "Added new 2/2020 Adam DiSabato testimony under oath that Jim Jordan is a a coward who has intimidated and pressured witnesses regarding his failure to report abuse of children he was coaching".
The added material seemed repetitive and POV, so I removed the paragraph beginning "In a videotaped deposition..." (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940521938). I also reorganized the article a bit (it needed it) and removed a sentence quoting John Boehner as having called Jordan an "asshole" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=940524083&oldid=940522359).
In response, ExCITEable reverted my edits. The first revert (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940524083) was accompanied by the following edit summary: "Not sure if SunCrow is a paid staffer or not but the fact that Speaker Boehner (also from Ohio) stated that Jordan "is an asshole" and "was a terrorist" going back to his service in the Ohio State Legislature is documented, relevant to his political career as an outspoken public person and does not violate the BLP rules. Change it back and keep trying to gild the lily SunCrow - it'll just get reverted". However, the revert also undid a bunch of other noncontroversial material that had nothing to do with the "asshole" comment.
The second revert (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940536223) reinstated the paragraph I had deleted regarding the OSU scandal. It was accompanied by the following edit summary: "replaced the deleted Adam DiSabato RS video deposition link. Jordan is a coward who abandoned his team (sure, that's my opinion, however, this is publicly available sworn videotaped testimony by a contemporaneous witness. Delete is SunCrow - Sunshine is a disinfectant and you will not rewrite history.)"
I reinstated the structural edits I had made (see https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)&diff=next&oldid=940539753) and added the following edit summary: "reinstate structural edits that improved the article and were reverted without justification. i have left the 'asshole' comment in the article and will take it to the talk page.)
The following two bits of content are in dispute:
I contend that the first paragraph is repetitive of the previous paragraph, is undue, and is an effort to hammer away at Jordan in violation of WP:NPOV. I contend that the second is undue and is a cheap shot. Does anyone have any thoughts?
I will be making further edits to the page, as there are several instances where blatantly biased language is included. The conduct from ExCITEable will be addressed on his talk page. SunCrow ( talk) 09:51, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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This seems to be getting more attention and witness's are speaking to the press more openly now. Heres a new referance that was just posted today https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/jordan-osu-wrestlers-strauss-invs/index.html I also agree this should be in the lead now. Jordan is known for this as much as anything else. ContentEditman ( talk) 23:43, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Jim Jordan voted against the Coronavirus Relief Bill that passed in the House on March 14, 2020. Can that be mentioned on this page? Seems like an important position on a major international issue. [1] Harry mattison ( talk) 14:18, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
With the market tanked it would be very helpful if we could suspend the RMD requirement on both IRA’s and 401K’s for the remainder of 2020. Of course I realize this should be an option as some may need the money even if it reduces their balances. For others, like myself I would like to allow our accounts to recover before taking monies out in the form of RMD requirement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Retiredin2001 ( talk • contribs) 04:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Should the sourced fact that NBA player Jarrod Uthoff is Jordan’s son in law remain in Jordan’s personal life section? It is public info and not controversial. I believe that it should stay as the “personal life” sections in WP biographies usually do include notable relatives. But the info has been removed several times of late. Thoughts? Rikster2 ( talk) 19:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
There are a number of citations needed for his early career. I recommend using this page from the Congressional Record ColdDeepLake ( talk) 04:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
The image needs to be replaced. Jordan rarely wears a suitjacket, to the point of several news outlets commenting about that. He shouldn't be wearing a suitjacket in his main image. I proposed an alternate image, but was reverted. p b p 00:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Not sure why administrators question why Jim Jordan's congressional district is not identified as being gerrymandered in the lead since it is well cited that a 3 panel Federal judges ruled that his district and all of Ohio's congressional districts have been illegally drawn up by the state GOP to favor the federal GOP, and have been ordered to redraw their maps in time for the 2020 election, of which the state has refused to do it. As a result, the courts will be redrawing it. Of all the districts, Jim Jordan's district was the leading evidence of the case, and his district would not have existed if not for gerrymandering, nor would he have been a member of the U.S. Congress. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:FF08:100:E189:84D:85E6:856B ( talk) 00:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
This is a prominent member of Congress. I fail to understand how "Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d"'s claim that it's a WP:NOTNEWS violation to include content about the member of Congress refusing to acknowledge Biden's victory in the 2020 election. [3] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 20:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Jim Jordan was aware of a colleague committing rape, and choose to not act. Jim Jordan is complicit in the sexual abuse of students he was responsible for. 2603:8001:7003:F1F4:C938:E18D:D5EF:653B ( talk) 22:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be its own drop down? A) a large number of people coming to the page will be wanting to know about it B) it has been an ongoing court issue and is not neatly "early career" and is C) one of the more prominent aspects of his media life. 194.193.179.101 ( talk) 23:22, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Similarly to how the GOP attempted to push conspiracy theories and uncertainty propaganda in relation to climate scientists, it's the turn of academics studying and exposing disinformation. Jordan seems to have a conflict of interest as someone involved in pushing it, but is also, under the ironic pretense of protecting free speech, part of a campaign to silence academia... [2] And a few more sources about various recent activity: [3] [4] — Paleo Neonate – 15:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Let me lay down my marker first: I absolutely loathe this person (as a mere personal opinion, I think -- think -- its not a WP:BLP violation to write this; redact me if I'm wrong). I hope he steps on a Lego with bare feet. Or worse! I expect that the majority by far of people working on this article feel similarly. So, I really hate that I have to make this post. But we are Wikipedians first and all doesn't matter. Let's discuss the matters at hand with ice-cold fairmindednes
So, there is a quite long section about the Ohio State University abuse scandal. So, imagine if this was Bernie Sanders or some other politician you like. Here we have a situation where
Under WP:BLP you can't do do that. Thare's no "she deserves it" or "conviction or no, she's obviously guilty" exception. For one reason, that would be a slippery slope.
The issue hasn't really affected his political career. It's not like Watergate or Gary Hart with the Monkey Business or the Al Franken thing or like that. He still gets elected. He's still the chair of an important committee. It's not affecting his public career much. It's just something that his enemies wave around to little effect, and they hate him anyway, and hella politicians have various peccadilloes and allegations waved at them by their enemies to little effect. If he's voted out or recalled or censured or investigated by the ethics committee or expelled or what have you, that'd be different. But he hasn't been and isn't likely to be.
Comparing again to Bernie Sanders, I believe there was some thing where as a young activist he wrote a really embarassing editorial or something. Means nothing much and most everyone makes gaffes like that, but it is part of his public record and career, and has been brought up by enemies. There was also something a about a (minor, I think) real estate shenanigans. Well neither of those are even mentioned in his article that I could find.
So, and I'm not accusing any or some of us of doing this deliberately, it's very understandable, but this isn't fair to Jordan. The whole section has to go. We can talk about the scandal and his reported role in it as minimally and gently as we can possibly do without compromising our encyclopedic mission. Herostratus ( talk) 17:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
the Wikipedia page fails to cover this Representative's business interest or personal wealth. He isn't a regular guy, he make $1,000,000 in profits from his share or several companies. Where did he get these companies, he was a low level college wrestling coach, not exactly a high paying job. 69.54.142.165 ( talk) 23:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 18:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Jim Jordan (American politician) → Jim Jordan – The politician is the primary topic due to long term significance and pageviews (with about 32x the daily average viewership than the next most viewed article). Note that Jim Jordan (actor) is commonly referred to as "Fibber McGee" as opposed to Jim Jordan which was one of his few acting roles. Also note that this does not include articles titled "James Jordan". Sahaib ( talk) 19:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
"jim jordan" -author:jordan(which returned a few hits for the missing subject Jim Jordan (conjure doctor) [8]). Moving this page is likely to help most readers, as this is the main target from the dab page James Jordan (to which Jim Jordan currently redirects). Hameltion ( talk | contribs) 01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
Jim Jordan has a habit of voting “nay” on essential Veterans bills. More than once. Here is a quick write-up which was stripped from Jordan’s article because it lacked sources and was allegedly bias. Here is the “work in progress” and I hope someone can embed it into the article when it is finalized.
Jordan has never served in the military. The PACT ACT which expanded VA benefits to veterans exposed to toxic chemicals during their military service, received a "nay" from Jordan. Regarding cannabis, despite lobbying from VSOs such as the DAV [1] Jordan also voted against the 2016 Veterans Equal Access Amendment.
Twillisjr ( talk) 15:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC) Twillisjr ( talk) 15:11, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
This wiki does a disservice by not detailing any of the geopolitical issues of today (Ukraine, China, Gaza, North Korea).
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:444:501:1382:ed0a:86d3:b1bd:ed53 ( talk) 20:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Please change "Democrats protested Jordan's behavior and urged their fellow senators representatives to allow Strzok to respond."
The lawmakers in question are not senators, they are representatives. 152.132.16.22 ( talk) 17:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
It is disingenuous to refer to Jim’s son-in-law as a professional basketball player. While technically true if we consider Japan’s b-league “professional,” it is at most extremely misleading. While a minor point, it should be clarified in the main text of his page that his son-in-law plays “professional basketball in Japan.” 166.205.147.32 ( talk) 18:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
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In the second to last sentence of the “Early life and education” section, please change “an advanced” to “a Juris Doctor” to be more specific and consistent with the bio table.
In the bio table, please change “Capital University” to “Capital University Law School”.
Thank you very much.
Apalpableelysium ( talk) 19:59, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Although certain editors, such as Apalpableelysium, are adding a Juris Doctorate to this article applied to Jim Jordan, there is no actual evidence that Jim Jordan ever received a Juris Doctorate from Capital University Law School. Jordan himself, on his Congressional webpage says that he received a law degree from that university. He doesn't claim a Juris Doctorate. I removed 2 of the 3 references from the Early Education section, because neither of them had any reference to Jim Jordan and his alleged educational achievement. They should not be used in the article because they don't support any claims at all. After a lengthy search, I was unable to find any references on the topic other than Jordan acquired an unspecified law degree. Yet, the editor, Apalpableelysium, has decided to reinvent and falsify Jim Jordan's educational credentials and reinstate these nonsupporting references. Apparently, he or she has a political agenda to promote misinformation on Wikipedia. 2 of those references have no purpose in this article other than to provide the illusory appearance of being referenced. I am going to reinstate this information to the level that Jim Jordan himself claims, rather than the inventions claimed by an anonymous Wikipedia editor. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 21:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)