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Often described as possessing prints by JF:
-- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
This Magnum page says that JF became a "Named Photographer" at Magnum Photos in 1975 and a "Nominee" in 1976; however, for the latter it refers the reader to this page, where I (mis)understand that "Jill Freedman is invited and accepted as Nominee" was something entered here "By Anonymous (not verified)". Now, "Anonymous (not verified)" has been responsible for a lot of additions to that website (e.g. for the years of ascension of Mary Ellen Mark, so there's nothing particularly fishy about the info for JF. Chances are, it was posted by somebody who'd been conscientious. But I'm reluctant to cite it. -- Hoary ( talk) 06:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
The dates in this article are currently a mishmash of D-M-Y and M-D-Y. This is not good.
MOS:DATERET says that:
This is the first edit; and this is the latest edit made before a second editor stepped in. Both versions consistently (I think) use D-M-Y.
But Freedman was American, and MOS:DATETIES says:
If it matters at all, this shows that I'm responsible for 61.3% of the bulk of the article ("bulk" of course including mere flab); MootsieOrangeville for 26.3% of it; the third is InternetArchiveBot, which I don't suppose would have any opinion; and then we get to Lopifalko, Bus stop, and Sunshineisles2. Perhaps one or two of you, or of course other editors, would care to comment on my suggestion, that this article will be allowed to employ the loophole provided by "generally" above, and to use the D-M-Y convention.
If this suggestion seems palatable, then I'm willing to do the tiresome job of converting examples of M-D-Y (other of course than any that might be within quotations, titles, etc) into D-M-Y. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Lopifalko, on this edit (no doubt well intended): is there now some MOS guideline or similar saying that months are trivia?
To me, they don't seem to be trivia. (For one thing, "March–June" suggests something more substantial than does plain "March".) Also, if, for some reason I can't divine, "September 2007 – January 2008" really is inappropriate, then is "2007/08" optimum? To me, it's ambiguous (interpretable as "perhaps 2007 but perhaps 2008; the information we're basing this on is vague or contradictory"). I'd have "2007–08" (or rather, since bytes are cheap, "2007–2008"). -- Hoary ( talk) 23:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Although the CCP's domain name used to be creativephotography.org, this been taken over by some wedding outfit that very obviously is unrelated. Instead, it's currently at ccp.arizona.edu. Unfortunately, this is a mess. Searching the collection for Freedman brings ccp.arizona.edu/artists/jill-freedman, a page that currently provides no information whatever.
The page " Fine art photographs" tells us:
Well, let's try again in "the near future". -- Hoary ( talk) 23:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I've removed
from the grants and awards section. It has never been referenced.
Tim Greyhavens' paper "Beyond the Boundaries: Why the NEA Matters to Photographers" (part 2) says:
Clicking on his link to his database returns 404, but I imagine that this file is what's meant. However, within this PDF the only entry I find is "Jill Freedman New York NY 1973 $5,000". -- Hoary ( talk) 23:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
I've also removed
none of which was referenced. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
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Often described as possessing prints by JF:
-- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
This Magnum page says that JF became a "Named Photographer" at Magnum Photos in 1975 and a "Nominee" in 1976; however, for the latter it refers the reader to this page, where I (mis)understand that "Jill Freedman is invited and accepted as Nominee" was something entered here "By Anonymous (not verified)". Now, "Anonymous (not verified)" has been responsible for a lot of additions to that website (e.g. for the years of ascension of Mary Ellen Mark, so there's nothing particularly fishy about the info for JF. Chances are, it was posted by somebody who'd been conscientious. But I'm reluctant to cite it. -- Hoary ( talk) 06:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
The dates in this article are currently a mishmash of D-M-Y and M-D-Y. This is not good.
MOS:DATERET says that:
This is the first edit; and this is the latest edit made before a second editor stepped in. Both versions consistently (I think) use D-M-Y.
But Freedman was American, and MOS:DATETIES says:
If it matters at all, this shows that I'm responsible for 61.3% of the bulk of the article ("bulk" of course including mere flab); MootsieOrangeville for 26.3% of it; the third is InternetArchiveBot, which I don't suppose would have any opinion; and then we get to Lopifalko, Bus stop, and Sunshineisles2. Perhaps one or two of you, or of course other editors, would care to comment on my suggestion, that this article will be allowed to employ the loophole provided by "generally" above, and to use the D-M-Y convention.
If this suggestion seems palatable, then I'm willing to do the tiresome job of converting examples of M-D-Y (other of course than any that might be within quotations, titles, etc) into D-M-Y. -- Hoary ( talk) 11:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Lopifalko, on this edit (no doubt well intended): is there now some MOS guideline or similar saying that months are trivia?
To me, they don't seem to be trivia. (For one thing, "March–June" suggests something more substantial than does plain "March".) Also, if, for some reason I can't divine, "September 2007 – January 2008" really is inappropriate, then is "2007/08" optimum? To me, it's ambiguous (interpretable as "perhaps 2007 but perhaps 2008; the information we're basing this on is vague or contradictory"). I'd have "2007–08" (or rather, since bytes are cheap, "2007–2008"). -- Hoary ( talk) 23:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Although the CCP's domain name used to be creativephotography.org, this been taken over by some wedding outfit that very obviously is unrelated. Instead, it's currently at ccp.arizona.edu. Unfortunately, this is a mess. Searching the collection for Freedman brings ccp.arizona.edu/artists/jill-freedman, a page that currently provides no information whatever.
The page " Fine art photographs" tells us:
Well, let's try again in "the near future". -- Hoary ( talk) 23:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I've removed
from the grants and awards section. It has never been referenced.
Tim Greyhavens' paper "Beyond the Boundaries: Why the NEA Matters to Photographers" (part 2) says:
Clicking on his link to his database returns 404, but I imagine that this file is what's meant. However, within this PDF the only entry I find is "Jill Freedman New York NY 1973 $5,000". -- Hoary ( talk) 23:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
I've also removed
none of which was referenced. -- Hoary ( talk) 23:31, 28 May 2023 (UTC)