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These criticisms of the article were posted before the article was modified substantially and perhaps most of the criticisms have been dealt with. Davefoc ( talk) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC) Let's see:
1. Technically, Jellyfish Lake is not really a 'dive site'. You don't dive there, you float around. You are asked not to swim about much so as not to damage the jellyfish. You might snorkel, a little. You certainly don't bring scuba gear.
2. There is not one Jellyfish lake in Palau, there are at least eight, perhaps more. Is it not amazing that they would 'evolve' separately this way in more than one lake?
-- Assuming that the weak stinging had been evolved, it would not at all be surprising that eight isolated yet nearly identical populations of jellyfish, each subjected to very similar environments, evolved in a similar pattern. If when the jellyfish are isolated in a lake full of algae, it is an evolutionary benefit to feed on the algae no matter how many different lakes there are. 71.167.133.100 ( talk) 21:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
3. The Mastigias Jellyfish in the lake are genetically identical to the Mastigias jellyfish outside the lake. The 'evolution' story is unsubstantiated. When Mastigias jellyfish don't have fish to catch, they switch over to their agrarian ways. If you take one of those jellyfish out of the lake, it will 'learn' to sting. If you take a 'stinging' jellyfish from outside and put it in the lake it will 'learn' to grow algae. The fact is that those jellyfish are just capable of eating in more than one way. But evolutionists will grab desperately onto any unsubstantiated imaginary happenings and claim them as proof of their precious macroevolution, won't they?
4. The Mastigias Jellyfish in the jellyfish lakes actually DO have stingers and DO catch small fish that happen into the lakes. This particular species of jellyfish does not have a sting that is particularly strong and most humans don't notice it unless they have sensitive skin. However, if you hold them to your mouth, you will quickly learn whether they 'are stingless' with no nemocysts. Go ahead, try it and get back to me. Xj 08:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Or perhaps you would like to add references for the unreferenced and unsubstantiated claims that are being made in the article? Or like I said, why not visit the lakes and check out what I've said and get back to me. Xj 22:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Because the waters of Palau are so ideal and perfect, every organism in the water is very sensitive to changes in the currents and temperature. In 1977, the population of the jellyfish almost suffered because the water of the lake rose about 2 degrees. This killed off a very large population of the jellyfish, causing it to suffer. The water soon regulated and the jellyfish were able to grow back again. SOme scientists say this may be an example of what may happen to our oceans in the future: tempereature rising, causing organisms to suffer (espicially coral and phytoplankton). - NF [you would never know me]
The article has been expanded to include information about the jellyfish die off in Jellyfish lake in 1998. There was an earlier population reduction (not in 1977) that was probably incorrectly attributed to human causes that was in fact probably also caused by a temperature rise. I plan on mentioning this in the article. Also one of the lakes has a jellyfish population where the medusa population routinely dies off. I plan on including some information in the article about this also. Davefoc ( talk) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Survivor Palau was mentioned in the opening section. I moved it to a new section Jellyfish Lake in popular culture.
Should the reference to Survivor Palau be retained in the article? 1. Yes it is essential content. 2. Yes, it is fancruft, but let's keep it. 3. No, it's fancruft and fancrap, delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the viewer history for this page and noticed that there are some days where the viewership spikes significantly. Does anybody have any ideas as to why?
Dates of the large peaks in 2009:
Jan 13 & 14 (113 & 166), Mar 3 & 4 (1.2K & 802), April 11 & 12 (583 & 479), June 10 & 11 (397 & 215), July 12 & 13 (440 & 480)
The viewership peaks are roughly three times the average viewership for this article.
Just curious, Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It is currently June 10, 2017 (one of the dates you mentioned, minus the year). I can't speak for the other dates, but it is normally around this time of year that a biology lesson plan I give tests on, among other things, cnidarians. The lake is commonly referenced in lesson plans. Whether there's any true correlation there, I can't say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.38.19 ( talk) 03:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
The lake is identified by a variety of names on the web and in various scientific papers. I have tried to pin down the formal name of the lake and to determine if "Jellyfish lake" has any kind of official support beyond it's use as a nickname for the lake.
This is a list of the names that I have seen for the lake:
Jellyfish Lake The most common way that the lake is referred to on the web and in academic papers. Does it have any official Palauan status as the name of the Lake?
Ongeim'l Tketau Commonly referred to as the local name of the lake. Is this the official name? In at least one place on the web this name was translated as "fifth lake".
Ongeim el Tketau The name of the lake on this map: [1]
Ongerul Tketau Uet As per a 1982 article by W. Hamner, et al. the Palaun Historical society changed the name in 1981 to this.
Uet ra Edead Eil Malk As per a 1982 article by W. Hamner, et al. this was the official name of the island prior to 1981
There is some variation in the reported name of the island also. Is Eil Malk the official name today? The island is often referred to as Mecherchar or sometimes Mercherchar.
I looked at the US government GNIS site ( [2]) . It listed about eighteen different variations for the name of the island (Mecherchar was the "BGN standard"* and the other names were variants) but it didn't list anything for the names of the lakes on Eil Malk that I found.
I emailed the Palauan Visitor's authority this question but I didn't get a response.
I tried to email the Palauan information officer this question but the Palau government site and all email has been down when I tried.
I emailed the Palauan Conservation Society this question and I haven't gotten a response.
My guess is that the lake does not have a formal name. Palau is a small country and they may not have a bureaucracy responsible for determining and listing formal geographic names. And even if they do have such a bureaucracy they may not have gotten around to conveying an official name on Jellyfish Lake.
* BGN probably refers to US Board on Geographic Names. Davefoc ( talk) 21:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I care! I would propose renaming the article Ongeim'l Tketau, which will also help with the disambiguation issue from the other Jellyfish Lakes, also called Jellyfish lakes when talking to tourists. AdventurousMe ( talk) 11:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Ammonia and phosphate were originally referred to as chemicals in this article. The word, chemicals, was changed to ions by a later edit.
Ammonia and phosphate are not ions. A small fraction of the ammonia dissolved in the water can be ionized to ammonium, however it is incorrect to refer to Ammonia as an ion especially in this context. Caveat, I am not a chemist and my knowledge of this based on an understanding of what better informed people than myself have explained to me.
The new edit eliminates this issue by the use of the word, which, to refer to the two substances.-- Davefoc ( talk) 22:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The issue of whether ammonia is an ion or not was discussed in this thread on the JREF forum: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5835855#post5835855 -- Davefoc ( talk) 21:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
This is one of several jellyfish lakes: I came here on a search for the one in Siargao, and I know there's one in Sangalaki: they're all called Jellyfish Lake in English. Don't know how to fix it - maybe make a stub for Jellyfish Lake (Sangalaki) and another for Jellyfish Lake (Siargao) and make this one Jellyfish Lake (Palau)??? AdventurousMe ( talk) 11:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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These criticisms of the article were posted before the article was modified substantially and perhaps most of the criticisms have been dealt with. Davefoc ( talk) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC) Let's see:
1. Technically, Jellyfish Lake is not really a 'dive site'. You don't dive there, you float around. You are asked not to swim about much so as not to damage the jellyfish. You might snorkel, a little. You certainly don't bring scuba gear.
2. There is not one Jellyfish lake in Palau, there are at least eight, perhaps more. Is it not amazing that they would 'evolve' separately this way in more than one lake?
-- Assuming that the weak stinging had been evolved, it would not at all be surprising that eight isolated yet nearly identical populations of jellyfish, each subjected to very similar environments, evolved in a similar pattern. If when the jellyfish are isolated in a lake full of algae, it is an evolutionary benefit to feed on the algae no matter how many different lakes there are. 71.167.133.100 ( talk) 21:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
3. The Mastigias Jellyfish in the lake are genetically identical to the Mastigias jellyfish outside the lake. The 'evolution' story is unsubstantiated. When Mastigias jellyfish don't have fish to catch, they switch over to their agrarian ways. If you take one of those jellyfish out of the lake, it will 'learn' to sting. If you take a 'stinging' jellyfish from outside and put it in the lake it will 'learn' to grow algae. The fact is that those jellyfish are just capable of eating in more than one way. But evolutionists will grab desperately onto any unsubstantiated imaginary happenings and claim them as proof of their precious macroevolution, won't they?
4. The Mastigias Jellyfish in the jellyfish lakes actually DO have stingers and DO catch small fish that happen into the lakes. This particular species of jellyfish does not have a sting that is particularly strong and most humans don't notice it unless they have sensitive skin. However, if you hold them to your mouth, you will quickly learn whether they 'are stingless' with no nemocysts. Go ahead, try it and get back to me. Xj 08:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Or perhaps you would like to add references for the unreferenced and unsubstantiated claims that are being made in the article? Or like I said, why not visit the lakes and check out what I've said and get back to me. Xj 22:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Because the waters of Palau are so ideal and perfect, every organism in the water is very sensitive to changes in the currents and temperature. In 1977, the population of the jellyfish almost suffered because the water of the lake rose about 2 degrees. This killed off a very large population of the jellyfish, causing it to suffer. The water soon regulated and the jellyfish were able to grow back again. SOme scientists say this may be an example of what may happen to our oceans in the future: tempereature rising, causing organisms to suffer (espicially coral and phytoplankton). - NF [you would never know me]
The article has been expanded to include information about the jellyfish die off in Jellyfish lake in 1998. There was an earlier population reduction (not in 1977) that was probably incorrectly attributed to human causes that was in fact probably also caused by a temperature rise. I plan on mentioning this in the article. Also one of the lakes has a jellyfish population where the medusa population routinely dies off. I plan on including some information in the article about this also. Davefoc ( talk) 18:46, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Survivor Palau was mentioned in the opening section. I moved it to a new section Jellyfish Lake in popular culture.
Should the reference to Survivor Palau be retained in the article? 1. Yes it is essential content. 2. Yes, it is fancruft, but let's keep it. 3. No, it's fancruft and fancrap, delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the viewer history for this page and noticed that there are some days where the viewership spikes significantly. Does anybody have any ideas as to why?
Dates of the large peaks in 2009:
Jan 13 & 14 (113 & 166), Mar 3 & 4 (1.2K & 802), April 11 & 12 (583 & 479), June 10 & 11 (397 & 215), July 12 & 13 (440 & 480)
The viewership peaks are roughly three times the average viewership for this article.
Just curious, Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
It is currently June 10, 2017 (one of the dates you mentioned, minus the year). I can't speak for the other dates, but it is normally around this time of year that a biology lesson plan I give tests on, among other things, cnidarians. The lake is commonly referenced in lesson plans. Whether there's any true correlation there, I can't say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.38.19 ( talk) 03:20, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
The lake is identified by a variety of names on the web and in various scientific papers. I have tried to pin down the formal name of the lake and to determine if "Jellyfish lake" has any kind of official support beyond it's use as a nickname for the lake.
This is a list of the names that I have seen for the lake:
Jellyfish Lake The most common way that the lake is referred to on the web and in academic papers. Does it have any official Palauan status as the name of the Lake?
Ongeim'l Tketau Commonly referred to as the local name of the lake. Is this the official name? In at least one place on the web this name was translated as "fifth lake".
Ongeim el Tketau The name of the lake on this map: [1]
Ongerul Tketau Uet As per a 1982 article by W. Hamner, et al. the Palaun Historical society changed the name in 1981 to this.
Uet ra Edead Eil Malk As per a 1982 article by W. Hamner, et al. this was the official name of the island prior to 1981
There is some variation in the reported name of the island also. Is Eil Malk the official name today? The island is often referred to as Mecherchar or sometimes Mercherchar.
I looked at the US government GNIS site ( [2]) . It listed about eighteen different variations for the name of the island (Mecherchar was the "BGN standard"* and the other names were variants) but it didn't list anything for the names of the lakes on Eil Malk that I found.
I emailed the Palauan Visitor's authority this question but I didn't get a response.
I tried to email the Palauan information officer this question but the Palau government site and all email has been down when I tried.
I emailed the Palauan Conservation Society this question and I haven't gotten a response.
My guess is that the lake does not have a formal name. Palau is a small country and they may not have a bureaucracy responsible for determining and listing formal geographic names. And even if they do have such a bureaucracy they may not have gotten around to conveying an official name on Jellyfish Lake.
* BGN probably refers to US Board on Geographic Names. Davefoc ( talk) 21:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I care! I would propose renaming the article Ongeim'l Tketau, which will also help with the disambiguation issue from the other Jellyfish Lakes, also called Jellyfish lakes when talking to tourists. AdventurousMe ( talk) 11:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Ammonia and phosphate were originally referred to as chemicals in this article. The word, chemicals, was changed to ions by a later edit.
Ammonia and phosphate are not ions. A small fraction of the ammonia dissolved in the water can be ionized to ammonium, however it is incorrect to refer to Ammonia as an ion especially in this context. Caveat, I am not a chemist and my knowledge of this based on an understanding of what better informed people than myself have explained to me.
The new edit eliminates this issue by the use of the word, which, to refer to the two substances.-- Davefoc ( talk) 22:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
The issue of whether ammonia is an ion or not was discussed in this thread on the JREF forum: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=5835855#post5835855 -- Davefoc ( talk) 21:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
This is one of several jellyfish lakes: I came here on a search for the one in Siargao, and I know there's one in Sangalaki: they're all called Jellyfish Lake in English. Don't know how to fix it - maybe make a stub for Jellyfish Lake (Sangalaki) and another for Jellyfish Lake (Siargao) and make this one Jellyfish Lake (Palau)??? AdventurousMe ( talk) 11:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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