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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 23:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing the following sentences and being too subjective and meandering, and unreferenced. Note there are more words hidden in HTML brackets. -- Yamara 23:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
(At the time he was competing with Roy G. Krenkel who had a tight almost J. Allen St. John-ish style and Frank Frazetta. There were strong similarities and differences between Frazetta and Jones. Both tended to stage their scenes in stylized spaces, both showed a strong color sense which made both artists' work memorable. Frazetta's men were burlier, his women more buxom than Jones's. They are both very excellent draftsmen.)
To confirm - this is the one who was married to Louise Simonson, right? DS ( talk) 21:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
To confirm, yes. According to J. D. King, who is a friend of Walter Simonson's and fellow alumnus of RISD, Louise Simonson was married to that Jeff Jones. Jplatt39 ( talk) 22:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Most references to the subject's death seem to be referring to her as either "Jeffrey Jones" or "Jeffrey Catherine Jones". Wouldn't one of those (I'm thinking the latter, based on her female identification) be more appropriate for the title of the article? - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 21:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
That may well be the case, but she was a woman, and calling her "Jeff Jones" casts her as a man, which is insulting and transphobic. She obviously wasn't using the name "Jeff" at the end of her life. The name of the article is transphobic and should be changed. For that matter, why does nearly the entire article avoid pronouns? Her pronouns were she/her. I can't think of any good reason not to use them, except perhaps that those doing the avoiding don't like the fact that she was trans very much.
Anyhow... Jeffrey Catherine Jones, rest in peace. -a transgender person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.157.158 ( talk) 07:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Addressing the above anonymous trans person's comments: The article avoids pronouns when practical to do so, in keeping with Wikipedia writing guidelines for dealing with trans persons. There are various arguments for it grounded in Wikpedia's on Neutral Point of View policy, but the main reason for avoiding pronouns is to keep the prose straightforward, and to avoid arguments about what the appropriate pronoun is in a given context. It is not a settled question in our society whether a person who (for example) self-identifies as female and becomes legally female as an adult should be referred to as "he" or "she" earlier in life; the answer may very well be different from case to case. As a personal note: Wikipedia also has policies regarding civility in handling disagreements, and I would ask you to review them before saying that it is "insulting" to refer to someone as male, or accusing others of transphobia. Assume good faith and others will be more likely to return the favor. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 02:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The article has inline citations for most every item in it. The only discussion on this page concerning neutrality is dated back to 2007, and the article has been greatly revised since then. Can anyone cite a specific reason why these tags should stay? MichaelNetzer ( talk) 19:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Removed second quote on gender transition. There's no verification except for this single word-of-mouth quote, and her transition is not relevant to her notability. Knitmeapony ( talk) 03:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The quote from the Comic's Journal in the Gender transition section seems a bit long winded, feels too copy pasted for my taste.
Additionally, I think it would be beneficial if there were more images of Jones work, comics and covers alike, since there is no indication of her style and technique in this page as of present. It would also be nice for there to be a photo included of what she really looked like, no disrespect to Micheal Netzer, but the illustration as the only indication of her appearance doesn't seem appropriate to me. Alegrafigeroid ( talk) 19:19, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
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Michael A. Gonzales' essay on Jones, "On the Art and Life of Jeffrey Catherine Jones", is on CrimeReads.
Very intersting for me was his close friendship with Bode.-- Ralfdetlef ( talk) 20:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
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This article should adhere to the gender identity guideline because it contains material about one or more trans women. Precedence should be given to self-designation as reported in the most up-to-date reliable sources, anywhere in article space, even when it doesn't match what's most common in reliable sources. Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to by the pronouns, possessive adjectives, and gendered nouns (for example "man/woman", "waiter/waitress", "chairman/chairwoman") that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. Some people go by singular they pronouns, which are acceptable for use in articles. This applies in references to any phase of that person's life, unless the subject has indicated a preference otherwise. Former, pre-transition names may only be included if the person was notable while using the name; outside of the main biographical article, such names should only appear once, in a footnote or parentheses.If material violating this guideline is repeatedly inserted, or if there are other related issues, please report the issue to the LGBT WikiProject, or, in the case of living people, to the BLP noticeboard. |
WikiProject Biography Assessment
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 23:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing the following sentences and being too subjective and meandering, and unreferenced. Note there are more words hidden in HTML brackets. -- Yamara 23:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
(At the time he was competing with Roy G. Krenkel who had a tight almost J. Allen St. John-ish style and Frank Frazetta. There were strong similarities and differences between Frazetta and Jones. Both tended to stage their scenes in stylized spaces, both showed a strong color sense which made both artists' work memorable. Frazetta's men were burlier, his women more buxom than Jones's. They are both very excellent draftsmen.)
To confirm - this is the one who was married to Louise Simonson, right? DS ( talk) 21:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
To confirm, yes. According to J. D. King, who is a friend of Walter Simonson's and fellow alumnus of RISD, Louise Simonson was married to that Jeff Jones. Jplatt39 ( talk) 22:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Most references to the subject's death seem to be referring to her as either "Jeffrey Jones" or "Jeffrey Catherine Jones". Wouldn't one of those (I'm thinking the latter, based on her female identification) be more appropriate for the title of the article? - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 21:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
That may well be the case, but she was a woman, and calling her "Jeff Jones" casts her as a man, which is insulting and transphobic. She obviously wasn't using the name "Jeff" at the end of her life. The name of the article is transphobic and should be changed. For that matter, why does nearly the entire article avoid pronouns? Her pronouns were she/her. I can't think of any good reason not to use them, except perhaps that those doing the avoiding don't like the fact that she was trans very much.
Anyhow... Jeffrey Catherine Jones, rest in peace. -a transgender person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.157.158 ( talk) 07:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Addressing the above anonymous trans person's comments: The article avoids pronouns when practical to do so, in keeping with Wikipedia writing guidelines for dealing with trans persons. There are various arguments for it grounded in Wikpedia's on Neutral Point of View policy, but the main reason for avoiding pronouns is to keep the prose straightforward, and to avoid arguments about what the appropriate pronoun is in a given context. It is not a settled question in our society whether a person who (for example) self-identifies as female and becomes legally female as an adult should be referred to as "he" or "she" earlier in life; the answer may very well be different from case to case. As a personal note: Wikipedia also has policies regarding civility in handling disagreements, and I would ask you to review them before saying that it is "insulting" to refer to someone as male, or accusing others of transphobia. Assume good faith and others will be more likely to return the favor. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 02:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
The article has inline citations for most every item in it. The only discussion on this page concerning neutrality is dated back to 2007, and the article has been greatly revised since then. Can anyone cite a specific reason why these tags should stay? MichaelNetzer ( talk) 19:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Removed second quote on gender transition. There's no verification except for this single word-of-mouth quote, and her transition is not relevant to her notability. Knitmeapony ( talk) 03:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The quote from the Comic's Journal in the Gender transition section seems a bit long winded, feels too copy pasted for my taste.
Additionally, I think it would be beneficial if there were more images of Jones work, comics and covers alike, since there is no indication of her style and technique in this page as of present. It would also be nice for there to be a photo included of what she really looked like, no disrespect to Micheal Netzer, but the illustration as the only indication of her appearance doesn't seem appropriate to me. Alegrafigeroid ( talk) 19:19, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
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Michael A. Gonzales' essay on Jones, "On the Art and Life of Jeffrey Catherine Jones", is on CrimeReads.
Very intersting for me was his close friendship with Bode.-- Ralfdetlef ( talk) 20:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)