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Shouldnt it be mentioned that he doesnt actually BUILD his work, or in a lot of cases, even design it. Most of the time he just calls someone with a concept and they do the rest. If the Andy Warhol section has room for this nature of critisim I feel this one definetly does. This is definetly a neutural thing that needs to be recorded about this guy. --jakers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.106.52.10 ( talk) 13:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Famous artists like Koons, Hirst, Murakami don't actually participate in hands-on applications. If you include it for Koons, you would have to include it for many of his contemporaries Vansi90 ( talk) 16:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I think that it's odd in his biography that his current wife, Justine, isn't mentioned? While she is certainly not as controversial as his first wife, major events like birth dates and marriages are usually included. I am sorry if this is out of line. I am still new here. PopGunWar ( talk) 18:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
He rendered a drawing similar to his famous "Tulip Balloons" for placement on the front page of the Internet search engine Google. The drawing greeted all who visited Google's main page on April 30, 2008.
"Greeted"?? Is Wikipedia Nostradamus now? This article refers to the future in the past tense! I know its only for a day, but still, this is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.1.126.79 ( talk) 09:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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Statements like this need to be put into context and references made to reputable sources. See WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Dystopos 23:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The POV of the following paragraph is disputed by VeniceBruin (whose opinion is endorsed by the single edit of one anonymous user):
Minutiae about one of the artist’s lesser works really do not belong in the main biography. Let’s keep discussion about the artist and his artwork on the page set up for it.
--
VeniceBruin
22:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
You're saying that a 43-foot tall sculpture that has become a major landmark in front of one of the most celebrated museums in the world is a lesser work? Or do I detect a POV creeping in? Dystopos 23:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Your argument is so monumentally specious and silly that I scarcely know where to begin. Since when did an artwork’s vertical height become a deciding factor in determining its aesthetic & cultural significance? For instance there’s a sixty-foot sculpture by Oldenburg that stands in front of my office building – does this make it a 40% greater artistic achievement than Koons’ 43-foot “Puppy” in your world? There are also nearly 20 sculptures on display in the front courtyard of LACMA and I can probably find glowing reviews by local art critics about each of them, but how many of them are really universally considered to be great works of art? And speaking of “POV creeping in”, how about taking a look at your own hyperbolic claim that Puppy is a “major landmark.” You might want to inform the Bilbao Tourist Information Center run by the town council
http://www.bilbao.net/WebBilbaonet/home_i.jsp?idioma that you’ve officially declared their Koons sculpture to be a “major landmark” because for some strange reason they don’t mention it on their website or even list it on their tourist maps as a local point of interest. --
VeniceBruin
17:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I am truly amazed that you have the intellectual effrontery to bolster your argument with a fluffy comment about Koons by the president of the New York Public Art Fund – that was your best source? You’ve got to be kidding me! What did you expect her to say? And such an unbiased opinion – a gooey bit of praise from the very city bureaucrat who used public funds to bring the artwork into New York so local merchants can scam money off of tourists.
HOMEWORK QUESTION #1: What book has Susan K. Freedman ever written about art? I’m sure this brilliant scholar must have set the art world ablaze with her penetrating insights like the one you quoted. Please do share your findings.
Who exactly was that other guy whose sage opinion on “Puppy” you so liberally cited and why is he on a mission to butcher the English language beyond all recognition? In case you didn’t notice, J.C. Punsola is just a teaching paraprofessional at the University of Barcelona, which means he spends his days making copies and fetching coffee for the department professors.
HOMEWORK QUESTION #2: Who or what is the “M” art magazine that this joker claims to be the “Chief Editor” of – I’ll give you a genuine VeniceBruin Gold Star if you can find even a single issue of it anywhere. In fact I’ll even make your job easier by doing the Google search for you http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=m+magazine+art (don’t get your hopes up by hit #5 – that other “M” Magazine happens to be a gossip rag for teenage girls).
If you want real credibility when discussing Koons or any other artist for that matter, then cite some scholarly work by serious art historians to back up your claims and not some paid shill with a local tourist industry agenda to support or a Spanish grad student attempting to get back at the English for occupying Gibraltar by destroying their language.
And rather than pop off with some half-baked Wiki submission guidelines as a subterfuge to avoid real debate, how about addressing all the issues I raised? Everything you stated in your above reply was strictly your very own subjective OPINION and not an established or verifiable fact (after all, isn’t that what Wiki is supposed to promote?).
HOMEWORK QUESTION #3: Try to find something a little more substantial than flimsy non-art scholars and paid industry shills to support your positions when replying to my original criticism. -- VeniceBruin 00:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
p.s., I sincerely don’t mean to offend, but I truly despise intellectual laziness. Just give me well thought out and supportable debate and I’ll promise to give you all the respect that it merits.-- VeniceBruin 00:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like you need a road map. We're in the TALK page of Wiki and not in the main article. I'm truly sorry if debating an issue frightens you but isn't that how truths are revealed? -- VeniceBruin 00:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Is the goal of Wiki simply to add or to be objective and informative? Isn’t it better edit out what is deceptive or misleading rather than keep it in for quantity’s sake?-- VeniceBruin 00:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
LOL! Okay, you win –- keep your paragraph with my blessings! Not many people can get a laugh out of a cranky old attorney like me the way you just did with your “Puppy” fetish. Please don’t ever delete a word of your post – this is without a doubt the funniest tap dance around an issue that I’ve ever witnessed on Wiki. Congratulations & well done! --
VeniceBruin
03:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow. People sure are passionate about their kitschy art, aren't they? Reminds me of a recent debate I commented on in the Darth Vader article. Fans are fans wherever you go, I suppose. VeniceBruin, I really do think it wouldn't hurt you to tone down your rhetoric a bit. Aesthetics is hardly a matter of objective truth.
Executive Summary: I think you're both right.
First, it seems unnecessary to remove the paragraph. I find it, at the very least, amusingly informative. Secondly, it seems to focus, inappropriately, on just one of his works (it is, after all, a short article). Rather than continue this back-and-forth revert war, why not each of you insert a paragraph describing one of major works in similar detail? Problem solved!
BTW – VeniceBruin makes reference to some other page where Koons' work is discussed. I didn't see any such page referenced in the article. Did I miss it?— Parker Whittle 23:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
PWhittle, You’re correct, there is no reference to Jeff Koons “Puppy” to be found anywhere on the website link I provided which was precisely my point. Dystopos claimed that Puppy was a “major landmark” in Bilbao, Spain – the Town Council of Bilbao doesn’t seem to share his POV as indicated by their own tourism website.-- VeniceBruin 00:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
My bad. The page I was referring to above, where discussion of the artists work should take place is this very one and not in the main article. My problem with the aforementioned gentleman's submission is that he is writing a puff paragraph about one of Koons lesser known works and then padding it out with trivialities. Let's face it, Koons is best known or infamous (by his own choice) for his most controversial works of which “Puppy” most certainly isn’t one of them.--
VeniceBruin
00:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I would have less of a problem with the paragraph (or at least half of it) IF it were part of a much, much longer section on Koons art in general. Throwing in a paragraph that is nearly a third as long as the entire article itself radically distorts the relative importance of that artwork and consequently makes the entire biographical entry very misleading.--
VeniceBruin
00:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I read the article and the discussion page. I rewrote the whole thing. I have incorporated all points of view but in a balanced context. Previously there was a distinct partisan (anti Koons) stance. Whether one is for or against Koons is irrelevant. Wiki is here to provide a NPOV on Koons' place in the (art) world. I trust it will be acceptable that I have removed the POV tag, as otherwise it would appear to apply to my article. It did not take that much research to compile a much more thorough biog, and it struck me that if all the energy that went into the discussion page clash had gone into contributing to the article - well, it would have saved me the work for one thing. I think there is an important lesson to be learnt here, if you'll excuse the preaching - it is better to expend ones efforts making it right rather than in dispute over what is wrong. Peace. And knowledge. 212.159.74.44
212.159.74.44 14:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the POV tag, as there is no justification or explanation given on this page for placing it in the article section, nor can I see any obvious POV in that section, as it gives a balanced report on the different views of Koons' work that exist. Please note that POV refers to the Wiki editor's POV, not to the sources quoted. In other words, it is not the Wiki editor's job to assess outside commentators' for their objectivity: that is up to them. It is the Wiki editor's job to give a balanced survey of them. Tyrenius 02:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Long ago I was chatting with a film critic pal who mentioned Koons as an example of a newer sort of artist: one whose contribution is the idea, getting other people to do the actual sculpting. This came to mind again when I was reading an short article on Koons [5], but I don't see any mention of that here. Is something like that worth including? William Pietri 15:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
What happened to the photo??-- Gkklein 06:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
"The crucial point of Koons is to reject an alleged hidden meaning of a work of art. The meaning is only what you perceive at the first glance, there is no gap between what the work is in itself and what is perceived."
From Koons's own comments this is not correct. He argued (for example in the Taschen book of his work from the 1990s) that the posters of basketball stars were about social mobility, that the alcohol adverts were about class, and that the equilibrium tanks were a counterpoint to the basketball posters. There is also the personal content of "Celebration", which puts the work in a very different light if you know that he was denied access to his son while making that series.
Koons is difficult to categorize. He was lumped in with the Neo Geo artists for no good reason, he isn't a Simulationist, and Late Pop doesn't really do him justice. He's probably a Neoconceptualist in the current scheme of things. You can make a strong case for him being Warhol's heir, but he identifies himself as being more conceptual than Warhol.
I'll rework this section if that's OK.
Rob Myers 12:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I am restoring the link to the mutualart.com link. That site has two links which are (1) an extensive (complete?) 12 page list of Koons' exhibitions (link: "Artist Biography") and (2) a collection of dozens of articles on Koons (link: "View artist timeline"). I assume this was deleted because it was viewed as spam, but these are in fact significant resources for this article. Ecphora ( talk) 00:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added a link to a video of the artist showing some of his works in the making at his studio in New York City. I think it provides a valuable insight into the work process and some of Koons' ideas about art. T.Broch 16:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by T.Broch ( talk • contribs)
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The Jeff Koons Article states two different birth dates. It has 21 January in the opening sentence, but states 25 January in the facts under his photo. The short Bio in Oxford Art Online, shows his birth facts as "b York, PA, 21 Jan 1955." I hope this helps. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cllewi3 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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Does anybody know how to expand the infobox so that it includes infobox person? I tried, but don't seem to have the knack. There is info such as spouses, children, etc. that would be good to add. Tx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epeefleche ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
1. We're told that Koons spoke "about four words of Italian". Does that mean three words, or five words, or what - and which words were they? Since he obviously spoke little or no Italian, why not just say so? 2. "Let go" for "fired" (the interpreter who fell in love with Koons "had to be let go") is US management-speak and surely has no business in a Wikipedia article! 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 12:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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I've created redirects for many of Koons' works of art, including:
These works are mentioned in the article's prose, and can be expanded if independently notable. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Anther option is to expand List of works by Jeff Koons. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I notice that in the Made in HeavenSection, the second word in this work's title is pasted over with asterisks. On many other Wikipedia pages, such words are not censored. Why censor "asshole" here? And, who will fix this? 72.84.181.125 ( talk) 00:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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Shouldnt it be mentioned that he doesnt actually BUILD his work, or in a lot of cases, even design it. Most of the time he just calls someone with a concept and they do the rest. If the Andy Warhol section has room for this nature of critisim I feel this one definetly does. This is definetly a neutural thing that needs to be recorded about this guy. --jakers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.106.52.10 ( talk) 13:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Famous artists like Koons, Hirst, Murakami don't actually participate in hands-on applications. If you include it for Koons, you would have to include it for many of his contemporaries Vansi90 ( talk) 16:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
I think that it's odd in his biography that his current wife, Justine, isn't mentioned? While she is certainly not as controversial as his first wife, major events like birth dates and marriages are usually included. I am sorry if this is out of line. I am still new here. PopGunWar ( talk) 18:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
He rendered a drawing similar to his famous "Tulip Balloons" for placement on the front page of the Internet search engine Google. The drawing greeted all who visited Google's main page on April 30, 2008.
"Greeted"?? Is Wikipedia Nostradamus now? This article refers to the future in the past tense! I know its only for a day, but still, this is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.1.126.79 ( talk) 09:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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Statements like this need to be put into context and references made to reputable sources. See WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Dystopos 23:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
The POV of the following paragraph is disputed by VeniceBruin (whose opinion is endorsed by the single edit of one anonymous user):
Minutiae about one of the artist’s lesser works really do not belong in the main biography. Let’s keep discussion about the artist and his artwork on the page set up for it.
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VeniceBruin
22:59, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
You're saying that a 43-foot tall sculpture that has become a major landmark in front of one of the most celebrated museums in the world is a lesser work? Or do I detect a POV creeping in? Dystopos 23:45, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Your argument is so monumentally specious and silly that I scarcely know where to begin. Since when did an artwork’s vertical height become a deciding factor in determining its aesthetic & cultural significance? For instance there’s a sixty-foot sculpture by Oldenburg that stands in front of my office building – does this make it a 40% greater artistic achievement than Koons’ 43-foot “Puppy” in your world? There are also nearly 20 sculptures on display in the front courtyard of LACMA and I can probably find glowing reviews by local art critics about each of them, but how many of them are really universally considered to be great works of art? And speaking of “POV creeping in”, how about taking a look at your own hyperbolic claim that Puppy is a “major landmark.” You might want to inform the Bilbao Tourist Information Center run by the town council
http://www.bilbao.net/WebBilbaonet/home_i.jsp?idioma that you’ve officially declared their Koons sculpture to be a “major landmark” because for some strange reason they don’t mention it on their website or even list it on their tourist maps as a local point of interest. --
VeniceBruin
17:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
I am truly amazed that you have the intellectual effrontery to bolster your argument with a fluffy comment about Koons by the president of the New York Public Art Fund – that was your best source? You’ve got to be kidding me! What did you expect her to say? And such an unbiased opinion – a gooey bit of praise from the very city bureaucrat who used public funds to bring the artwork into New York so local merchants can scam money off of tourists.
HOMEWORK QUESTION #1: What book has Susan K. Freedman ever written about art? I’m sure this brilliant scholar must have set the art world ablaze with her penetrating insights like the one you quoted. Please do share your findings.
Who exactly was that other guy whose sage opinion on “Puppy” you so liberally cited and why is he on a mission to butcher the English language beyond all recognition? In case you didn’t notice, J.C. Punsola is just a teaching paraprofessional at the University of Barcelona, which means he spends his days making copies and fetching coffee for the department professors.
HOMEWORK QUESTION #2: Who or what is the “M” art magazine that this joker claims to be the “Chief Editor” of – I’ll give you a genuine VeniceBruin Gold Star if you can find even a single issue of it anywhere. In fact I’ll even make your job easier by doing the Google search for you http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=m+magazine+art (don’t get your hopes up by hit #5 – that other “M” Magazine happens to be a gossip rag for teenage girls).
If you want real credibility when discussing Koons or any other artist for that matter, then cite some scholarly work by serious art historians to back up your claims and not some paid shill with a local tourist industry agenda to support or a Spanish grad student attempting to get back at the English for occupying Gibraltar by destroying their language.
And rather than pop off with some half-baked Wiki submission guidelines as a subterfuge to avoid real debate, how about addressing all the issues I raised? Everything you stated in your above reply was strictly your very own subjective OPINION and not an established or verifiable fact (after all, isn’t that what Wiki is supposed to promote?).
HOMEWORK QUESTION #3: Try to find something a little more substantial than flimsy non-art scholars and paid industry shills to support your positions when replying to my original criticism. -- VeniceBruin 00:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
p.s., I sincerely don’t mean to offend, but I truly despise intellectual laziness. Just give me well thought out and supportable debate and I’ll promise to give you all the respect that it merits.-- VeniceBruin 00:03, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like you need a road map. We're in the TALK page of Wiki and not in the main article. I'm truly sorry if debating an issue frightens you but isn't that how truths are revealed? -- VeniceBruin 00:26, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Is the goal of Wiki simply to add or to be objective and informative? Isn’t it better edit out what is deceptive or misleading rather than keep it in for quantity’s sake?-- VeniceBruin 00:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
LOL! Okay, you win –- keep your paragraph with my blessings! Not many people can get a laugh out of a cranky old attorney like me the way you just did with your “Puppy” fetish. Please don’t ever delete a word of your post – this is without a doubt the funniest tap dance around an issue that I’ve ever witnessed on Wiki. Congratulations & well done! --
VeniceBruin
03:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Wow. People sure are passionate about their kitschy art, aren't they? Reminds me of a recent debate I commented on in the Darth Vader article. Fans are fans wherever you go, I suppose. VeniceBruin, I really do think it wouldn't hurt you to tone down your rhetoric a bit. Aesthetics is hardly a matter of objective truth.
Executive Summary: I think you're both right.
First, it seems unnecessary to remove the paragraph. I find it, at the very least, amusingly informative. Secondly, it seems to focus, inappropriately, on just one of his works (it is, after all, a short article). Rather than continue this back-and-forth revert war, why not each of you insert a paragraph describing one of major works in similar detail? Problem solved!
BTW – VeniceBruin makes reference to some other page where Koons' work is discussed. I didn't see any such page referenced in the article. Did I miss it?— Parker Whittle 23:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
PWhittle, You’re correct, there is no reference to Jeff Koons “Puppy” to be found anywhere on the website link I provided which was precisely my point. Dystopos claimed that Puppy was a “major landmark” in Bilbao, Spain – the Town Council of Bilbao doesn’t seem to share his POV as indicated by their own tourism website.-- VeniceBruin 00:01, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
My bad. The page I was referring to above, where discussion of the artists work should take place is this very one and not in the main article. My problem with the aforementioned gentleman's submission is that he is writing a puff paragraph about one of Koons lesser known works and then padding it out with trivialities. Let's face it, Koons is best known or infamous (by his own choice) for his most controversial works of which “Puppy” most certainly isn’t one of them.--
VeniceBruin
00:19, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I would have less of a problem with the paragraph (or at least half of it) IF it were part of a much, much longer section on Koons art in general. Throwing in a paragraph that is nearly a third as long as the entire article itself radically distorts the relative importance of that artwork and consequently makes the entire biographical entry very misleading.--
VeniceBruin
00:45, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I read the article and the discussion page. I rewrote the whole thing. I have incorporated all points of view but in a balanced context. Previously there was a distinct partisan (anti Koons) stance. Whether one is for or against Koons is irrelevant. Wiki is here to provide a NPOV on Koons' place in the (art) world. I trust it will be acceptable that I have removed the POV tag, as otherwise it would appear to apply to my article. It did not take that much research to compile a much more thorough biog, and it struck me that if all the energy that went into the discussion page clash had gone into contributing to the article - well, it would have saved me the work for one thing. I think there is an important lesson to be learnt here, if you'll excuse the preaching - it is better to expend ones efforts making it right rather than in dispute over what is wrong. Peace. And knowledge. 212.159.74.44
212.159.74.44 14:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the POV tag, as there is no justification or explanation given on this page for placing it in the article section, nor can I see any obvious POV in that section, as it gives a balanced report on the different views of Koons' work that exist. Please note that POV refers to the Wiki editor's POV, not to the sources quoted. In other words, it is not the Wiki editor's job to assess outside commentators' for their objectivity: that is up to them. It is the Wiki editor's job to give a balanced survey of them. Tyrenius 02:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Long ago I was chatting with a film critic pal who mentioned Koons as an example of a newer sort of artist: one whose contribution is the idea, getting other people to do the actual sculpting. This came to mind again when I was reading an short article on Koons [5], but I don't see any mention of that here. Is something like that worth including? William Pietri 15:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
What happened to the photo??-- Gkklein 06:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
"The crucial point of Koons is to reject an alleged hidden meaning of a work of art. The meaning is only what you perceive at the first glance, there is no gap between what the work is in itself and what is perceived."
From Koons's own comments this is not correct. He argued (for example in the Taschen book of his work from the 1990s) that the posters of basketball stars were about social mobility, that the alcohol adverts were about class, and that the equilibrium tanks were a counterpoint to the basketball posters. There is also the personal content of "Celebration", which puts the work in a very different light if you know that he was denied access to his son while making that series.
Koons is difficult to categorize. He was lumped in with the Neo Geo artists for no good reason, he isn't a Simulationist, and Late Pop doesn't really do him justice. He's probably a Neoconceptualist in the current scheme of things. You can make a strong case for him being Warhol's heir, but he identifies himself as being more conceptual than Warhol.
I'll rework this section if that's OK.
Rob Myers 12:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I am restoring the link to the mutualart.com link. That site has two links which are (1) an extensive (complete?) 12 page list of Koons' exhibitions (link: "Artist Biography") and (2) a collection of dozens of articles on Koons (link: "View artist timeline"). I assume this was deleted because it was viewed as spam, but these are in fact significant resources for this article. Ecphora ( talk) 00:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I have added a link to a video of the artist showing some of his works in the making at his studio in New York City. I think it provides a valuable insight into the work process and some of Koons' ideas about art. T.Broch 16:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by T.Broch ( talk • contribs)
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The Jeff Koons Article states two different birth dates. It has 21 January in the opening sentence, but states 25 January in the facts under his photo. The short Bio in Oxford Art Online, shows his birth facts as "b York, PA, 21 Jan 1955." I hope this helps. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cllewi3 ( talk • contribs) 15:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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Does anybody know how to expand the infobox so that it includes infobox person? I tried, but don't seem to have the knack. There is info such as spouses, children, etc. that would be good to add. Tx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epeefleche ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
1. We're told that Koons spoke "about four words of Italian". Does that mean three words, or five words, or what - and which words were they? Since he obviously spoke little or no Italian, why not just say so? 2. "Let go" for "fired" (the interpreter who fell in love with Koons "had to be let go") is US management-speak and surely has no business in a Wikipedia article! 213.127.210.95 ( talk) 12:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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I've created redirects for many of Koons' works of art, including:
These works are mentioned in the article's prose, and can be expanded if independently notable. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 18:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Anther option is to expand List of works by Jeff Koons. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 02:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I notice that in the Made in HeavenSection, the second word in this work's title is pasted over with asterisks. On many other Wikipedia pages, such words are not censored. Why censor "asshole" here? And, who will fix this? 72.84.181.125 ( talk) 00:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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