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1. Can anybody include information about case-mix system ??. Thanks in advance.
2. Northland Secondary College (Preston) was one of the 100's of state schools closed by Jeff Kennett in 1992. The school's Koori community supported students in taking their case to the High Court and EOC and they won. The school was re-opened in 1995. Kennett's government also closed Richmond Secondary College and a community campaign fought Kennett over this too. These events should be included.
I added some information about the closure of Northland Secondary College by Kennett with a heading State School Closures.
State School Closures 1992. The Kennett government closed Northland Secondary College amongst other state schools. The school was internationally and nationally renowned for its innovations in Koori education and high retention rates for Aboriginal students. Two students went to the Supreme Court and the Equal Opportunity Commission where it was ordered re-opened after a number of appeals. The closure breached the Victorian Equal Opportunity Act. The Kennett government's immediate response was to amend the Victorian Constitution so that the Supreme Court - and all State courts - could never again review any future decision to close a school, ever. Kennett's decisions reflected his values- placing economic priorities over a child's right to a public education. Kennett announced that, beating them - the two Koori students - was a crucial test of his right to govern, he said: "Equal opportunity . . . was always intended to be about the rights of individuals, and not to second-judge government policy." < Source: http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/great/grt3b.html Article Title: Moira Rayner Former Vic Commissioner for Human Rights talks about the Northlands Struggle.> 20 June 2013 - A writer named 101.112 43 62 did an edit removing a sentence and replacing it. It would be better to leave the original sentence. The sentence you want to insert could be added, but the original one should be left. 101.112 43 62 is probably well read, their knowledge of Australian history would be greatly enhanced by reading every thing about the Northland Secondary College closure, and about Northland Secondary College - Mobile Rebel School, starting with the court documents and findings. Irmgarde ( talk) 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Irmgarde Irmgarde ( talk) 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The Age is not Melbourne's leading daily newspaper.
It sells under 200,000 newspapers a day. The Herald Sun sells more than 550,000 newspapers a day.
The Herald Sun has a greater readership in both metro Melbourne and country Victoria.
It is highly regarded among business, political and social circles as the paper of record and influence in this state. dubious – discuss
To write The Age is the "leading daily newspaper reflects the bias of the author writing profiles on this site.
Of course, I work for the Herald Sun and am proud to do so.
Actually it's a trashy tabloid rag and spent seven years sucking Kennett's toes. Adam 23:45, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Second that. The Herald Sun is a Murdoch rag and it is popular with business because it is unfailingly biassed and right wing and it has an influence because it has a lot of readers, or photo and headline browsers anyway. But it's low level intellectually and to say it's highly regarded socially and politically is entirely false. Yet it is false to say the Age is Melbourne's leading daily newspaper because the terms of comparison aren't defined. It's just the best quality and most imparitial:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinmo ( talk • contribs) 11:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Third that. The HS is a trashy sports paper with next to no credibility and clearly right-wing as reflected by itself in many of its user polls, as well as its papers on election day encouraging people to vote Liberal (Australian major right-wing party). - Oke2206 18:48, 16/02/2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oke2206 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Although I agree with Adam Carr's comment on the trashy-ness of the Herald Sun 100%, the definition of leading daily newspaper is not (last time I checked) the least trashy one. The no-brainer definition would be the highest circulating newspaper, which makes the Herald Sun Melbourne's leading daily.
I personally wish it was the other way around, but this is not the place to argue that point, this place is for the facts. Bambul 07:12, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Whether a paper "leads" or not is a function of its quality, not its circulation. The Age, a genuine quality paper and politically independent, is vastly more influential in Melbourne than the Hun, a trashy tabloid and predictably Liberal on every issue. The same could be said of the New York Times v the Post, or the Times of London v the News of the World. Adam 03:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
i dissagree. IMO the herald sun is quality ( btw the age is hard to read). the age is not as neutral as you say that it is. there is no way you can say that the age is more influential when the herald sun has far more than double the number of readers as the age. i can tell from your language that you personally do not think highly of the herald sun. 500,000 melburnians disagree with you. as such, the title of the leading paper cannot be sustained. Xtra 03:25, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I will, with difficulty, refrain from sarcastic comment about why Xtra might find the Age hard to read. Xtra's simply reiterates that the Hun must be regarded as "leading" because it has a bigger circulation. But trashy tabloids always have bigger circulations than quality papers. Is the Sun really London's "leading" newspaper, when it is nothing but tits-and-bums trash? Most Hun readers buy it for its sports coverage (which is excellent), and pay little attention to its political coverage (except maybe Andrew Bolt, who is a good read). By contast people buy the Age specifically to read its political coverage and commentary, which influences everyone else in the media, politicians, academics and opinion-leaders generally. Adam 03:42, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I can't think of any way of responding to that which doesn't sound rude and sarcastic, and you know how much I hate being rude and sarcastic. So I will just say that in the light of what you have said about your reading habits, I am no longer surprised at your inability to engage with the points I have been making. I suggest you buy a bigger table. Adam 03:58, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have deleted the reference to "a leading Melbourne daily newspaper". The Age is one of only three daily newspapers -- and one of those is a commuter giveaway. One has a higher readership, another claims a higher "AB" readership. Describing The Age as "leading" in such a small field is absurd and meaningless. Grimhim 04:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Read title. Lol. The Herald Sun is a tabloid; 'tis easier to read than the filthy (the ink!!!), rag-like Age newspaper. The HS is smaller and thus can be read anywhere - even on-the-go - while The Age requires you to sit down at a desk/table the size of a football field! (and yes, I am biased; being a proud Capitalist!). Also, the articles are of (almost) equal length in both newspapers, so whoever said that they weren't is wrong. Also, yee who say that the Age is 'independant and unbiased': WRONG! lol. Finally, shouldn't this argument be on the newspaper's individual pages, and not on the article for My Lord His Holiness Sir Jeff Kennett The Great? ZPMMaker 10:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC) PS: Steve Bracks sucks.
There is an omission that results in a POV. The author does not mention that the previous Government's debt was the underlying cause of Kennett's cost-cutting measures. Until it is shoen a)that no debt existed and b) Kennett's efforts were not in response to this, I will keep rectifying this omission.
I have changed thewording, but still included statements to the effect that Kennett's fiscal actions were a result of previous government, this was originally omitted, resulting in the implication that Kennett had alterior motive.
To say that it was a direct result of the previous government also conceals any alterior motives that he DID have. Alterior doesn't mean "bad" either. I am not implying that it was a cold grab for cash, just that the conservative push at the time was to privatise, be it to increase competition, settle debts or outsource responsibility it doesn't matter... To say "previous Government's debt was the underlying cause of Kennett's cost-cutting measures" is oversimplifying the situation and creating a new POV issue.
On the ABC news a couple nights ago they were saying something about kennet, and they showed some clips off the things he did while premier (i'm assuming) and one of them involed him throwing shovelfuls of sand over the media. 0_o . does anyone know why he did this?
Harro5, your clumsy efforts have done nothing to improve this article. This is a butchery, not an improvement. You have trampled over and erased the most recent events in the Kennett story. Thanks, pal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimhim ( talk • contribs)
We need to ensure that this article does not become a biased history of Kennett's reign, and so I am asking for some sources for specific claims. Of course, I don't think we need to cite why Kennett lost the election in 1999, but I'll list some examples of problems (this isn't exhaustive):
Hopefully Grimhim you now see where I am coming from in my objections. This is a very substantial list of complaints, and I would strongly oppose removing the POV-section tag (at the very most, replace it with {{ verify}}) until some improvements are made. Thanks. Harr o 5 00:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
There's no mention of this on either the official AFL site or the official Hawthorn site - which is a curious omission for a club president. Can anyone find a source for this? Lokicarbis 23:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
This seems like absolute nonsense to me. I will check my copy of the club history soon and delete the reference if necessary. Mustard Pot 05:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Where did 25 July 1948 come from? All the sources I’ve ever seen say he was born 2 March 1948 - Vic Parliamentary website, Victorian Parliament Chronology, etc. (After some digging) Ah, I see what’s happened now. This edit from an unregistered editor who obviously likes vandalism, was made back in October 2006, and the incorrect birth date has been there ever since. I’ll be correcting it.
This editor was also responsible for the misinformation about him playing for Hawthorn - see this diff. -- JackofOz ( talk) 03:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is worth mentioning in the article (it's info of the type that would have gone in one of those frowned-on "trivia" sections), but Jeff Kennett is one of the roll-call of celebrities mentioned in the song "Welcome" by Aussie band The Church, off their 1996 album Magician among the Spirits. Grutness... wha? 13:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Some lawyer has removed information I inserted about the covering of Kennett's premiership after his retirement. The Australian did recently pick up on some relatively favourable comments made in Victoria, ergo satisfies WP:BIO, and needs to be mentioned given his history with the media.
Was this an oversight or something? Ottre 13:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
New Jeff is determinedly self-effacing. "I don't think so," he says to the suggestion that history will record him as a giant of the Victorian scene. "No, you don't worry too much about bloody history." However that is being rewritten as we speak. Broadcaster Neil Mitchell wrote recently that... The Australian a week earlier opined that "NSW needs a Jeff Kennett" to cure its woes. Surely this must amuse the man himself...
In the case of the sacked Boonie Doon trainer, Jeff actually worked at trying to have the Trainer reinstated. [1] His comments were taken out of context. He was talking about Perceived duty of care rather then comparing "homosexuality to paedophilia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.135.5 ( talk) 02:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
I made an edit in the said paragraph. When it said that he had withdrawn from the race for the Liberal Leadership I changed it to not to reenter Parliament. Kennett was deciding whether he would want to return to politics, saying that he had withdrawn would imply that he had already made his decision to return but changed his mind later on. I also changed when it said about him challenging Ted Baillieu to run against him. The word "challenge" should only be used in context to a serving leader as the word means that the leader's authority is being questioned hence the challenge. Ted Baillieu was not yet the leader and the word 'challenge' did not apply to him at this point in time. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 18:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
When Kennett came into power, he got an agreement with Lou Di Gregirio of the Australian Motor Omnibus and Tramway Employee Association (ATMOEA) that the tramways would accept redundancy packages. This was in contrast to the other transports unions who opposed it. Di Gregirio said at the time that he had members who wanted the opportunity to take a package. After the trammies took the package offered, members from the railways also took the opportunity to leave with a redundancy package. To say Kennett sacked 16,000 is not accurate as many of my friends took packages and walked away with a handy lump sum. Purrum ( talk) 05:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I recommend restoring my edits. This article is filled with POV and cruft. I did not think they would require community consensus but it is what it is. Also, why no mention of the psycho who assaulted him (Fergal Downey)?? Quis separabit? 04:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The attack on Kennett by psycho Fergal Downey, who was later convicted and sentenced to 24 years for killing a man with a hammer should be included, no? Quis separabit? 01:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
There has just been a tiny Edit skirmish over the removal of the text "His wife left him for a short time in the mid 1970s, amid allegations of domestic violence, but returned a short time later." It was first done with no Edit summary, and since the text was sourced, I reverted. Mattinbgn reverted my revert with the Edit summary ""amid allegations of domestic violence" is sleazy weasel words. This is a BLP and better evidence is required for claims of this nature)". I agree to some extent about the "sleazy weasel words" comment, but the source, a printed book we obviously don't have easy access to, is also used as a source for many other sections of the article. I don't like sources like that in general, but it is used for this article. This opens a bit of a can of worms. Is everything else sourced to that book OK? HiLo48 ( talk) 08:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC) 'Everybody' knew about the situation between Jeff Kennett and his wife as described here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irmgarde ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
"Moreover, in the first three years of the 'Kennett Revolution' (as the Premier himself came to term it)"
I have yet to find any reference anywhere ever to Kennett himself terming his own thing as "The Kennett Revolution".
This is just bullshit. It's unworthy of wikipedia. Author needs to cite reference now or it needs to be deleted.
D.R. du Prie 20:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Re: Jeff Kennett School Closures. I don't really understand what is wrong with the source of information. A contributor named St Anselm keeps deleting the facts I enter about School Closures. Do you all need to be given the title and education qualifications for Gary Foley or are you able to do your own research? (Now I remember I gave these to St Anselm previously) People are able to manage reading and discussing more than one point of view whether they agree with it or not.(and in this case the info is from a reliable source) I think I said the same thing a couple of years ago, have you had the opportunity to expand your education on this subject? I've got a hard copy of the Court documents. I worked with all the staff, students, parents,families, teachers and principals involved. I met the lawyers and Edn Dpt staff.
If I called myself a writer and I had letters after my name would it be acceptable to Wikipedia for excerpts from my publications to be used?
My biases were formed within a family with these letters and titles, some of whom spoke 5 languages; Professor of Politics and Doctor of Economics; Professor of Education; Chief Geologist MPESA, MGSA.; B.S.,M.A.Hons., M.Econ., B.A.F.A.Adv.DipEd Sec Art., B.Sci., Postgraduate Diploma in Urban Planning, M.Th.. Been to the top and the pits. Not that this is entirely relevant to my entry.
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1. Can anybody include information about case-mix system ??. Thanks in advance.
2. Northland Secondary College (Preston) was one of the 100's of state schools closed by Jeff Kennett in 1992. The school's Koori community supported students in taking their case to the High Court and EOC and they won. The school was re-opened in 1995. Kennett's government also closed Richmond Secondary College and a community campaign fought Kennett over this too. These events should be included.
I added some information about the closure of Northland Secondary College by Kennett with a heading State School Closures.
State School Closures 1992. The Kennett government closed Northland Secondary College amongst other state schools. The school was internationally and nationally renowned for its innovations in Koori education and high retention rates for Aboriginal students. Two students went to the Supreme Court and the Equal Opportunity Commission where it was ordered re-opened after a number of appeals. The closure breached the Victorian Equal Opportunity Act. The Kennett government's immediate response was to amend the Victorian Constitution so that the Supreme Court - and all State courts - could never again review any future decision to close a school, ever. Kennett's decisions reflected his values- placing economic priorities over a child's right to a public education. Kennett announced that, beating them - the two Koori students - was a crucial test of his right to govern, he said: "Equal opportunity . . . was always intended to be about the rights of individuals, and not to second-judge government policy." < Source: http://www.kooriweb.org/foley/great/grt3b.html Article Title: Moira Rayner Former Vic Commissioner for Human Rights talks about the Northlands Struggle.> 20 June 2013 - A writer named 101.112 43 62 did an edit removing a sentence and replacing it. It would be better to leave the original sentence. The sentence you want to insert could be added, but the original one should be left. 101.112 43 62 is probably well read, their knowledge of Australian history would be greatly enhanced by reading every thing about the Northland Secondary College closure, and about Northland Secondary College - Mobile Rebel School, starting with the court documents and findings. Irmgarde ( talk) 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)Irmgarde Irmgarde ( talk) 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
The Age is not Melbourne's leading daily newspaper.
It sells under 200,000 newspapers a day. The Herald Sun sells more than 550,000 newspapers a day.
The Herald Sun has a greater readership in both metro Melbourne and country Victoria.
It is highly regarded among business, political and social circles as the paper of record and influence in this state. dubious – discuss
To write The Age is the "leading daily newspaper reflects the bias of the author writing profiles on this site.
Of course, I work for the Herald Sun and am proud to do so.
Actually it's a trashy tabloid rag and spent seven years sucking Kennett's toes. Adam 23:45, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Second that. The Herald Sun is a Murdoch rag and it is popular with business because it is unfailingly biassed and right wing and it has an influence because it has a lot of readers, or photo and headline browsers anyway. But it's low level intellectually and to say it's highly regarded socially and politically is entirely false. Yet it is false to say the Age is Melbourne's leading daily newspaper because the terms of comparison aren't defined. It's just the best quality and most imparitial:-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinmo ( talk • contribs) 11:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Third that. The HS is a trashy sports paper with next to no credibility and clearly right-wing as reflected by itself in many of its user polls, as well as its papers on election day encouraging people to vote Liberal (Australian major right-wing party). - Oke2206 18:48, 16/02/2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oke2206 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Although I agree with Adam Carr's comment on the trashy-ness of the Herald Sun 100%, the definition of leading daily newspaper is not (last time I checked) the least trashy one. The no-brainer definition would be the highest circulating newspaper, which makes the Herald Sun Melbourne's leading daily.
I personally wish it was the other way around, but this is not the place to argue that point, this place is for the facts. Bambul 07:12, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Whether a paper "leads" or not is a function of its quality, not its circulation. The Age, a genuine quality paper and politically independent, is vastly more influential in Melbourne than the Hun, a trashy tabloid and predictably Liberal on every issue. The same could be said of the New York Times v the Post, or the Times of London v the News of the World. Adam 03:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
i dissagree. IMO the herald sun is quality ( btw the age is hard to read). the age is not as neutral as you say that it is. there is no way you can say that the age is more influential when the herald sun has far more than double the number of readers as the age. i can tell from your language that you personally do not think highly of the herald sun. 500,000 melburnians disagree with you. as such, the title of the leading paper cannot be sustained. Xtra 03:25, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I will, with difficulty, refrain from sarcastic comment about why Xtra might find the Age hard to read. Xtra's simply reiterates that the Hun must be regarded as "leading" because it has a bigger circulation. But trashy tabloids always have bigger circulations than quality papers. Is the Sun really London's "leading" newspaper, when it is nothing but tits-and-bums trash? Most Hun readers buy it for its sports coverage (which is excellent), and pay little attention to its political coverage (except maybe Andrew Bolt, who is a good read). By contast people buy the Age specifically to read its political coverage and commentary, which influences everyone else in the media, politicians, academics and opinion-leaders generally. Adam 03:42, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I can't think of any way of responding to that which doesn't sound rude and sarcastic, and you know how much I hate being rude and sarcastic. So I will just say that in the light of what you have said about your reading habits, I am no longer surprised at your inability to engage with the points I have been making. I suggest you buy a bigger table. Adam 03:58, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have deleted the reference to "a leading Melbourne daily newspaper". The Age is one of only three daily newspapers -- and one of those is a commuter giveaway. One has a higher readership, another claims a higher "AB" readership. Describing The Age as "leading" in such a small field is absurd and meaningless. Grimhim 04:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Read title. Lol. The Herald Sun is a tabloid; 'tis easier to read than the filthy (the ink!!!), rag-like Age newspaper. The HS is smaller and thus can be read anywhere - even on-the-go - while The Age requires you to sit down at a desk/table the size of a football field! (and yes, I am biased; being a proud Capitalist!). Also, the articles are of (almost) equal length in both newspapers, so whoever said that they weren't is wrong. Also, yee who say that the Age is 'independant and unbiased': WRONG! lol. Finally, shouldn't this argument be on the newspaper's individual pages, and not on the article for My Lord His Holiness Sir Jeff Kennett The Great? ZPMMaker 10:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC) PS: Steve Bracks sucks.
There is an omission that results in a POV. The author does not mention that the previous Government's debt was the underlying cause of Kennett's cost-cutting measures. Until it is shoen a)that no debt existed and b) Kennett's efforts were not in response to this, I will keep rectifying this omission.
I have changed thewording, but still included statements to the effect that Kennett's fiscal actions were a result of previous government, this was originally omitted, resulting in the implication that Kennett had alterior motive.
To say that it was a direct result of the previous government also conceals any alterior motives that he DID have. Alterior doesn't mean "bad" either. I am not implying that it was a cold grab for cash, just that the conservative push at the time was to privatise, be it to increase competition, settle debts or outsource responsibility it doesn't matter... To say "previous Government's debt was the underlying cause of Kennett's cost-cutting measures" is oversimplifying the situation and creating a new POV issue.
On the ABC news a couple nights ago they were saying something about kennet, and they showed some clips off the things he did while premier (i'm assuming) and one of them involed him throwing shovelfuls of sand over the media. 0_o . does anyone know why he did this?
Harro5, your clumsy efforts have done nothing to improve this article. This is a butchery, not an improvement. You have trampled over and erased the most recent events in the Kennett story. Thanks, pal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimhim ( talk • contribs)
We need to ensure that this article does not become a biased history of Kennett's reign, and so I am asking for some sources for specific claims. Of course, I don't think we need to cite why Kennett lost the election in 1999, but I'll list some examples of problems (this isn't exhaustive):
Hopefully Grimhim you now see where I am coming from in my objections. This is a very substantial list of complaints, and I would strongly oppose removing the POV-section tag (at the very most, replace it with {{ verify}}) until some improvements are made. Thanks. Harr o 5 00:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
There's no mention of this on either the official AFL site or the official Hawthorn site - which is a curious omission for a club president. Can anyone find a source for this? Lokicarbis 23:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
This seems like absolute nonsense to me. I will check my copy of the club history soon and delete the reference if necessary. Mustard Pot 05:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Where did 25 July 1948 come from? All the sources I’ve ever seen say he was born 2 March 1948 - Vic Parliamentary website, Victorian Parliament Chronology, etc. (After some digging) Ah, I see what’s happened now. This edit from an unregistered editor who obviously likes vandalism, was made back in October 2006, and the incorrect birth date has been there ever since. I’ll be correcting it.
This editor was also responsible for the misinformation about him playing for Hawthorn - see this diff. -- JackofOz ( talk) 03:03, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure whether this is worth mentioning in the article (it's info of the type that would have gone in one of those frowned-on "trivia" sections), but Jeff Kennett is one of the roll-call of celebrities mentioned in the song "Welcome" by Aussie band The Church, off their 1996 album Magician among the Spirits. Grutness... wha? 13:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Some lawyer has removed information I inserted about the covering of Kennett's premiership after his retirement. The Australian did recently pick up on some relatively favourable comments made in Victoria, ergo satisfies WP:BIO, and needs to be mentioned given his history with the media.
Was this an oversight or something? Ottre 13:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
New Jeff is determinedly self-effacing. "I don't think so," he says to the suggestion that history will record him as a giant of the Victorian scene. "No, you don't worry too much about bloody history." However that is being rewritten as we speak. Broadcaster Neil Mitchell wrote recently that... The Australian a week earlier opined that "NSW needs a Jeff Kennett" to cure its woes. Surely this must amuse the man himself...
In the case of the sacked Boonie Doon trainer, Jeff actually worked at trying to have the Trainer reinstated. [1] His comments were taken out of context. He was talking about Perceived duty of care rather then comparing "homosexuality to paedophilia". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.135.5 ( talk) 02:07, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
I made an edit in the said paragraph. When it said that he had withdrawn from the race for the Liberal Leadership I changed it to not to reenter Parliament. Kennett was deciding whether he would want to return to politics, saying that he had withdrawn would imply that he had already made his decision to return but changed his mind later on. I also changed when it said about him challenging Ted Baillieu to run against him. The word "challenge" should only be used in context to a serving leader as the word means that the leader's authority is being questioned hence the challenge. Ted Baillieu was not yet the leader and the word 'challenge' did not apply to him at this point in time. -- The Shadow Treasurer ( talk) 18:37, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
When Kennett came into power, he got an agreement with Lou Di Gregirio of the Australian Motor Omnibus and Tramway Employee Association (ATMOEA) that the tramways would accept redundancy packages. This was in contrast to the other transports unions who opposed it. Di Gregirio said at the time that he had members who wanted the opportunity to take a package. After the trammies took the package offered, members from the railways also took the opportunity to leave with a redundancy package. To say Kennett sacked 16,000 is not accurate as many of my friends took packages and walked away with a handy lump sum. Purrum ( talk) 05:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I recommend restoring my edits. This article is filled with POV and cruft. I did not think they would require community consensus but it is what it is. Also, why no mention of the psycho who assaulted him (Fergal Downey)?? Quis separabit? 04:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
The attack on Kennett by psycho Fergal Downey, who was later convicted and sentenced to 24 years for killing a man with a hammer should be included, no? Quis separabit? 01:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
There has just been a tiny Edit skirmish over the removal of the text "His wife left him for a short time in the mid 1970s, amid allegations of domestic violence, but returned a short time later." It was first done with no Edit summary, and since the text was sourced, I reverted. Mattinbgn reverted my revert with the Edit summary ""amid allegations of domestic violence" is sleazy weasel words. This is a BLP and better evidence is required for claims of this nature)". I agree to some extent about the "sleazy weasel words" comment, but the source, a printed book we obviously don't have easy access to, is also used as a source for many other sections of the article. I don't like sources like that in general, but it is used for this article. This opens a bit of a can of worms. Is everything else sourced to that book OK? HiLo48 ( talk) 08:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC) 'Everybody' knew about the situation between Jeff Kennett and his wife as described here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irmgarde ( talk • contribs) 11:44, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
"Moreover, in the first three years of the 'Kennett Revolution' (as the Premier himself came to term it)"
I have yet to find any reference anywhere ever to Kennett himself terming his own thing as "The Kennett Revolution".
This is just bullshit. It's unworthy of wikipedia. Author needs to cite reference now or it needs to be deleted.
D.R. du Prie 20:30, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Re: Jeff Kennett School Closures. I don't really understand what is wrong with the source of information. A contributor named St Anselm keeps deleting the facts I enter about School Closures. Do you all need to be given the title and education qualifications for Gary Foley or are you able to do your own research? (Now I remember I gave these to St Anselm previously) People are able to manage reading and discussing more than one point of view whether they agree with it or not.(and in this case the info is from a reliable source) I think I said the same thing a couple of years ago, have you had the opportunity to expand your education on this subject? I've got a hard copy of the Court documents. I worked with all the staff, students, parents,families, teachers and principals involved. I met the lawyers and Edn Dpt staff.
If I called myself a writer and I had letters after my name would it be acceptable to Wikipedia for excerpts from my publications to be used?
My biases were formed within a family with these letters and titles, some of whom spoke 5 languages; Professor of Politics and Doctor of Economics; Professor of Education; Chief Geologist MPESA, MGSA.; B.S.,M.A.Hons., M.Econ., B.A.F.A.Adv.DipEd Sec Art., B.Sci., Postgraduate Diploma in Urban Planning, M.Th.. Been to the top and the pits. Not that this is entirely relevant to my entry.
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