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This does not look very neutral to me:
-- Edcolins 20:19, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
True. We should have some other viewpoints to balance that...
Common applications of above rule:
Peoplefinders.com says she is 67. Also, it can be deduced that she is at least 67 from her mother's entry. The entry for Dear Abby says that when she approached the newspaper about becoming an advice columnist in January 1956, she was already the mother of two teenagers. Hence, Edda Jeanne could have been born no later than January 1943. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.111.39.162 ( talk) 23:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
As a compromise, I have reworded the article to say that Phillips was born in the 1940s. Is that okay? I have also removed the name "Edda" from the article because I cannot find a source that says it is her first name. Can you find a source that verifies that Edda is part of her name? Thanks, Cunard ( talk) 00:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Jeanne Phillips (b. 1942) writes Dear Abby, the advice column started by her mother Pauline Esther Phillips (b. 1918 as Pauline Esther Friedman).
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The original section title was "Categories- TG writers?". I've retitled it to "Long-term vandalism by 68.94.xx.xx". Cunard ( talk) 01:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused about the inclusion of categories in transexual and transgendered writers. Is that to imply Jeanne Phillips is a MTF transexual? If so shouldn't there be at least some elaboration in the article, or do we just have innuendo to guess about? Or is this just someone's idea of a joke, since a google search of jeanne phillips transexual reveals no hits which confirm this? Batvette ( talk) 01:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
After comparing revisions I'm assuming its vandalism and reverting it. Maybe the page should be protected? Batvette ( talk) 01:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
1. Category:Transgender and transsexual writers was first added to the article on 00:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC) by 68.94.9.206 ( talk · contribs). I reverted it at 00:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC) with the edit summary "please provide a source for this category".
2. It was re-added 01:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC) by 68.94.25.243 ( talk · contribs). I reverted the addition 01:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC) with the edit summary "revert per WP:BLP, a source is necessary if this category is to be added to the article".
3. The category was re-added 06:52, 31 January 2012 (UTC) by 68.94.9.90 ( talk · contribs). I reverted the addition 00:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "undo as unsourced, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Categories, lists and navigation templates says: 'Categories regarding religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified' as such".
4. 68.94.8.83 ( talk · contribs) reverted my reversion at 17:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "this category has nothing to do with religion or sexual orientation". I reverted 07:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "rv. unsourced BLP violation; see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=prev&oldid=483653727 for discussion about WP:BLPCAT". That discussion is archived at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Archive 33#Revising WP:BLPCAT to include gender identity.
5. At 00:56, 30 April 2013 68.94.0.14 ( talk · contribs) added Category:American centenarians, Category:Transgender and transsexual women, and Category:Transgender and transsexual writers to this article. I reverted the vandalism 14:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC) with the edit summary "rv. unsourced category additions per WP:BLPCAT".
6. The categories were restored by 68.94.1.5 ( talk · contribs) at 20:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC) and reverted by Batvette ( talk · contribs) 01:14, 10 June 2013 with the edit summary "undoing suspected vandalismn".
7. The categories were again restored by
68.94.1.91 (
talk ·
contribs) at
05:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC) with the edit summary "not vandalism".
Batvette (
talk ·
contribs) reverted again
17:29, 10 June 2013 with the edit summary "Please see talk page and respond before reverting".
Analysis
The vandalism has been ongoing by dynamic IPs that start with 68.94.xx.xx since June 2011 with no source being provided to support the IPs' assertions. I have become less active so have not been able to keep the article free of this vandalism. The categories have sometimes remained on the article for nearly a month. There have been constructive IP edits such as
these copyedits by
108.27.132.85 (
talk ·
contribs) on 19 January 2013 and
this addition by
173.11.38.237 (
talk ·
contribs) on 17 January 2013, so I am reluctant to support semi-protection.
Resolution
I can think of three possible options here:
1. Semi-protection is applied to the article although I am reluctant to support this because of the constructive IP edits.
2. Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection is applied to the article. Per Wikipedia:Protection policy#When to apply pending changes protection, it is used when there is "persistent vandalism, violations of the biographies of living persons policy, or copyright violations".
3. Neither semi-protection nor pending changes protection is applied, but the article needs more eyes to revert the vandalism.
I think both 2 and 3 are good options and have asked administrator Drmies ( talk · contribs) to take a look. Cunard ( talk) 01:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
If I'm wrong, that's okay too because I am a devout adherent to THIS policy which in my mind trumps all of Wikipedia's policies. It would delight me so much to see you raked over the coals because of my misdirection. But then you might no longer be willing to be at my beck and call any longer which would sadden me greatly. Oh well. :( Oops, why did I confess my ulterior motive to asking Drmies to look at this discussion?) Cunard ( talk) 07:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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This does not look very neutral to me:
-- Edcolins 20:19, August 6, 2005 (UTC)
True. We should have some other viewpoints to balance that...
Common applications of above rule:
Peoplefinders.com says she is 67. Also, it can be deduced that she is at least 67 from her mother's entry. The entry for Dear Abby says that when she approached the newspaper about becoming an advice columnist in January 1956, she was already the mother of two teenagers. Hence, Edda Jeanne could have been born no later than January 1943. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.111.39.162 ( talk) 23:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
As a compromise, I have reworded the article to say that Phillips was born in the 1940s. Is that okay? I have also removed the name "Edda" from the article because I cannot find a source that says it is her first name. Can you find a source that verifies that Edda is part of her name? Thanks, Cunard ( talk) 00:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Jeanne Phillips (b. 1942) writes Dear Abby, the advice column started by her mother Pauline Esther Phillips (b. 1918 as Pauline Esther Friedman).
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |year=
/ |date=
mismatch (
help); Unknown parameter |coauthors=
ignored (|author=
suggested) (
help)Born in 1959, Amy represented a younger generation than the Friedman twins, or even Jeanne Phillips, who was born in 1942.
The original section title was "Categories- TG writers?". I've retitled it to "Long-term vandalism by 68.94.xx.xx". Cunard ( talk) 01:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm confused about the inclusion of categories in transexual and transgendered writers. Is that to imply Jeanne Phillips is a MTF transexual? If so shouldn't there be at least some elaboration in the article, or do we just have innuendo to guess about? Or is this just someone's idea of a joke, since a google search of jeanne phillips transexual reveals no hits which confirm this? Batvette ( talk) 01:04, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
After comparing revisions I'm assuming its vandalism and reverting it. Maybe the page should be protected? Batvette ( talk) 01:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
1. Category:Transgender and transsexual writers was first added to the article on 00:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC) by 68.94.9.206 ( talk · contribs). I reverted it at 00:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC) with the edit summary "please provide a source for this category".
2. It was re-added 01:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC) by 68.94.25.243 ( talk · contribs). I reverted the addition 01:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC) with the edit summary "revert per WP:BLP, a source is necessary if this category is to be added to the article".
3. The category was re-added 06:52, 31 January 2012 (UTC) by 68.94.9.90 ( talk · contribs). I reverted the addition 00:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "undo as unsourced, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Categories, lists and navigation templates says: 'Categories regarding religious beliefs or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified' as such".
4. 68.94.8.83 ( talk · contribs) reverted my reversion at 17:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "this category has nothing to do with religion or sexual orientation". I reverted 07:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC) with the edit summary "rv. unsourced BLP violation; see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=prev&oldid=483653727 for discussion about WP:BLPCAT". That discussion is archived at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons/Archive 33#Revising WP:BLPCAT to include gender identity.
5. At 00:56, 30 April 2013 68.94.0.14 ( talk · contribs) added Category:American centenarians, Category:Transgender and transsexual women, and Category:Transgender and transsexual writers to this article. I reverted the vandalism 14:19, 18 May 2013 (UTC) with the edit summary "rv. unsourced category additions per WP:BLPCAT".
6. The categories were restored by 68.94.1.5 ( talk · contribs) at 20:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC) and reverted by Batvette ( talk · contribs) 01:14, 10 June 2013 with the edit summary "undoing suspected vandalismn".
7. The categories were again restored by
68.94.1.91 (
talk ·
contribs) at
05:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC) with the edit summary "not vandalism".
Batvette (
talk ·
contribs) reverted again
17:29, 10 June 2013 with the edit summary "Please see talk page and respond before reverting".
Analysis
The vandalism has been ongoing by dynamic IPs that start with 68.94.xx.xx since June 2011 with no source being provided to support the IPs' assertions. I have become less active so have not been able to keep the article free of this vandalism. The categories have sometimes remained on the article for nearly a month. There have been constructive IP edits such as
these copyedits by
108.27.132.85 (
talk ·
contribs) on 19 January 2013 and
this addition by
173.11.38.237 (
talk ·
contribs) on 17 January 2013, so I am reluctant to support semi-protection.
Resolution
I can think of three possible options here:
1. Semi-protection is applied to the article although I am reluctant to support this because of the constructive IP edits.
2. Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection is applied to the article. Per Wikipedia:Protection policy#When to apply pending changes protection, it is used when there is "persistent vandalism, violations of the biographies of living persons policy, or copyright violations".
3. Neither semi-protection nor pending changes protection is applied, but the article needs more eyes to revert the vandalism.
I think both 2 and 3 are good options and have asked administrator Drmies ( talk · contribs) to take a look. Cunard ( talk) 01:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
If I'm wrong, that's okay too because I am a devout adherent to THIS policy which in my mind trumps all of Wikipedia's policies. It would delight me so much to see you raked over the coals because of my misdirection. But then you might no longer be willing to be at my beck and call any longer which would sadden me greatly. Oh well. :( Oops, why did I confess my ulterior motive to asking Drmies to look at this discussion?) Cunard ( talk) 07:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)