This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
About his wife: and he kept her body in a freezer at the graveyard, because he suspected she was murdered and he wanted to keep the body as long as possible.
He really did this, there are lots of newspaper and magazines that have reported on this, I will try to get some references.
http://www.groenerekenkamer.nl/querulant/cryonics/cryonicist.htm
Lower-right column, there is a description of the events. I will find some more
I read somewhere once that he published once a visitor's guide of the brothels of Belgium. Is this true ? Hektor 21:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes. He also ran a website and magazine on slot-car racing, can't say he's not a man of varied interests! Pete Fenelon 20:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The article as it stands seems to state that moneytron worked (to a certain degree...) It was my understanding it was simply a Ponzi scheme and, as such, eventually doomed to failure when (enough) people wanted to cash out.
Yeah, this article must have been written by someone that really wanted to believe him. It was 100% ponzi. Hence to need to show off with F1 racing to attract more investors. Hence also the secret "computer room" hidden behind a big bank style vault door that was actually empty. Phoxtrot ( talk) 07:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Jean-Pierre Van Rossem. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.references.be/article/4-moments-cles-de-la-carriere-de-jean-pierre-van-rossemWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 10:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Jean-Pierre Van Rossem. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps reverting the fact that Jean-Pierre Van Rossem was a convicted criminal from the lead. It is however one of the defining features of this person that he was a multiple times convicted fraudster/swindler whose "Moneytron" scheme was nothing but a fraud and that he did multiple stents in prison. In his fraudulent actions he is indeed comparable to Bernie Madoff. Reverting this defining feature of this person in the lead is a biased/NPOV action. After all, with other known fraudsters like Madoff, Kerviel, etc. this fact indeed features in the lead. So there is no reason not to mention this fact in this lead either. -- fdewaele, 3 May 2019, 10:27 CET
You are comparing van Rossem to the biggest fraudster in world history, this is absurt and can even call it defamation, he was a politician, author, painter, public figure, teacher, guru, formulla one team owner he spoke for universities, and many other things, bernie madoff was non of these, to reduce van rossem's life to that single monetron case is absurt and not correct, yes he comited fraud, but he was not foremost a criminal like john gotti, or bernie maddof that you are trying to paint him, i just ask for a little nuance. 2A02:A03F:48D8:F200:2DE2:EC2B:8C9E:437D ( talk) 07:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
On what data do you base the claim that van rossem was one of belgians biggest fraudsters, this is a complete fantasy from your part, wikthout any proof or data to proof your claim, van Rossem won the public eye long before he got involved with moneytron, he won the The prestigous International Scholarship of Flanders-prize at the university of ghent, also the first convicition of fraud was over ruled by the international court of stratsbourg, the second conviction before his dead, had also to with the moneytron case, and van rossem whent to the court of apeals, but he died before the apeal court date, you are a biassed person that makes unsubstantial claims based in fantasy, and i would like an unbiassed administrator to resolve this 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 11:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
So now you are comparing him to Al Capone? Al Capone, Bernie Madoff, who's next? And you claim that he's the biggest fraudster belgium has ever seen, where is the proof? plus you claim that the fraud conviction is the begining of his public carreer? Van Rossem did his first radio interview in 1987 on the dutch VPRO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKcZVqm8qk4&t , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJzcU3fdY0 and already published economic articles in various newspapers like le monde this was before the whole Moneytron saga, so your claim is false, and you have no proof for it what so ever, dus based in fantasy, it is clear that you want to paint him as a great criminal, witch is simply not true, yes he was convicted of fraud, but he is not the kind of criminal like al capone or bernie madoff that you try to paint him, he was not involved in organized crime or the Cosa Nostra, and i am not doing namecalling, but you just did, by sugesting i am iliterate. 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 12:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't want to whitewash Van Rossem at all, i just want nuance, and most of all facts no assumptions and myths, so he was a fraudster, we agree on that, i pointed to the 90's because that is the case that the media and everyone else talks about, because he was also convicted of driving to fast and driving without insurance and so on, we can put that also in his biography then?, it is the moneytron case that got all the atention, the case in 2018 was also related to the moneytron case, as it is about money from the then moneytron case that was withold
but what i do not agree on is that the moneytron system was designed from the beginning to defraud investors, because there is no proof of that, that is just an assumption, but we do not know the facts about this.
you claim also that he became a politician to get inviolability? the man wrote countless atricles, and books about both national and international politics his entire life, just look at his facebook page, or website he also was invited and did many political debates, he had 3 political parties of his own, Rossem, Rossem 2, and Anderz, so this again is an asumption.
ypu also claim that he was a belgian bernie madoff because his moneytron system was a ponzi scheme, well according to some it was, according others, including the person who ownes the website https://derijkstebelgen.be claims that it was a white wash operation for black money, and not a ponzi scheme, so who's right in this matter, i also see articles that claim that van rossem was convicted for selling duplicated stocks, plus the 793 million, that you mention there is no proof of this what so ever, this is what van rossem always claimed himself, but there is no proof to support this claim, it could be less it could be more, do you have acces to court documents regarding this matter? i do not
you point at this entry as proof ponzi schemes well it might suprise you but i am the one who wrote it there, and after concideration it was wrong for me to do that, becuase apart from a few articles there is no proof at all
and comparing him to Al capone, that is just framing sorry, then you can compare him to Marc dutroux also, becuase marc dutroux also did not declare his income, and defrauded the government, Al capone was a mafia boss in the cosa nostra that was responsible for murders, and a whole bunch of other crimes, i think u heard this from Bart de wever in the media, when he talks about the drug crime problem in Antwerp, but this has nothing to do with van rossem 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 08:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
He gave a few "last interviews". First at a student which made it into a very poor made interview. THen later a docu-series of a few episodes featuring him meeting people from his carreer and life. During this time he was under investigation and he stated he will never go back to jail, and suggested he had a way to commit suicide. And would use it if he'd be called to go back to prison.
Shortly after being convicted again in his old age, he passed away. Anyone who has seen these last interviews of him are certain he has comitted suicide following the courts decision. but nowhere it's been reported officially. "cause of death is unknown for now"
Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhCvOakmU6M
Feature on his, preceding his death by a few months:
https://www.vier.be/van-rossem/jean-pierre-van-rossem-overleden-vier-zendt-laatste-tv-interview-vanavond-uit — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
91.183.48.163 (
talk) 14:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Van Rossem is not a Marxist, he has anarchist ideas, he believes in Liberty, freedom, individualism, he was anti-state, anti-authority he advocated the austrian school of economics (pure capitalism), and he had a libertarian party, so please stop calling him Marxist, he was not! thanks
he explains it here himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fNv6br2Lw (look timestamps 07:13 to 07:56) 87.65.48.152 ( talk) 15:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
About his wife: and he kept her body in a freezer at the graveyard, because he suspected she was murdered and he wanted to keep the body as long as possible.
He really did this, there are lots of newspaper and magazines that have reported on this, I will try to get some references.
http://www.groenerekenkamer.nl/querulant/cryonics/cryonicist.htm
Lower-right column, there is a description of the events. I will find some more
I read somewhere once that he published once a visitor's guide of the brothels of Belgium. Is this true ? Hektor 21:34, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes. He also ran a website and magazine on slot-car racing, can't say he's not a man of varied interests! Pete Fenelon 20:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The article as it stands seems to state that moneytron worked (to a certain degree...) It was my understanding it was simply a Ponzi scheme and, as such, eventually doomed to failure when (enough) people wanted to cash out.
Yeah, this article must have been written by someone that really wanted to believe him. It was 100% ponzi. Hence to need to show off with F1 racing to attract more investors. Hence also the secret "computer room" hidden behind a big bank style vault door that was actually empty. Phoxtrot ( talk) 07:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Jean-Pierre Van Rossem. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
{{
dead link}}
tag to
http://www.references.be/article/4-moments-cles-de-la-carriere-de-jean-pierre-van-rossemWhen you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 10:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Jean-Pierre Van Rossem. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 18 January 2022).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 11:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
An anonymous user keeps reverting the fact that Jean-Pierre Van Rossem was a convicted criminal from the lead. It is however one of the defining features of this person that he was a multiple times convicted fraudster/swindler whose "Moneytron" scheme was nothing but a fraud and that he did multiple stents in prison. In his fraudulent actions he is indeed comparable to Bernie Madoff. Reverting this defining feature of this person in the lead is a biased/NPOV action. After all, with other known fraudsters like Madoff, Kerviel, etc. this fact indeed features in the lead. So there is no reason not to mention this fact in this lead either. -- fdewaele, 3 May 2019, 10:27 CET
You are comparing van Rossem to the biggest fraudster in world history, this is absurt and can even call it defamation, he was a politician, author, painter, public figure, teacher, guru, formulla one team owner he spoke for universities, and many other things, bernie madoff was non of these, to reduce van rossem's life to that single monetron case is absurt and not correct, yes he comited fraud, but he was not foremost a criminal like john gotti, or bernie maddof that you are trying to paint him, i just ask for a little nuance. 2A02:A03F:48D8:F200:2DE2:EC2B:8C9E:437D ( talk) 07:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
On what data do you base the claim that van rossem was one of belgians biggest fraudsters, this is a complete fantasy from your part, wikthout any proof or data to proof your claim, van Rossem won the public eye long before he got involved with moneytron, he won the The prestigous International Scholarship of Flanders-prize at the university of ghent, also the first convicition of fraud was over ruled by the international court of stratsbourg, the second conviction before his dead, had also to with the moneytron case, and van rossem whent to the court of apeals, but he died before the apeal court date, you are a biassed person that makes unsubstantial claims based in fantasy, and i would like an unbiassed administrator to resolve this 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 11:14, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
So now you are comparing him to Al Capone? Al Capone, Bernie Madoff, who's next? And you claim that he's the biggest fraudster belgium has ever seen, where is the proof? plus you claim that the fraud conviction is the begining of his public carreer? Van Rossem did his first radio interview in 1987 on the dutch VPRO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKcZVqm8qk4&t , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJzcU3fdY0 and already published economic articles in various newspapers like le monde this was before the whole Moneytron saga, so your claim is false, and you have no proof for it what so ever, dus based in fantasy, it is clear that you want to paint him as a great criminal, witch is simply not true, yes he was convicted of fraud, but he is not the kind of criminal like al capone or bernie madoff that you try to paint him, he was not involved in organized crime or the Cosa Nostra, and i am not doing namecalling, but you just did, by sugesting i am iliterate. 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 12:51, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't want to whitewash Van Rossem at all, i just want nuance, and most of all facts no assumptions and myths, so he was a fraudster, we agree on that, i pointed to the 90's because that is the case that the media and everyone else talks about, because he was also convicted of driving to fast and driving without insurance and so on, we can put that also in his biography then?, it is the moneytron case that got all the atention, the case in 2018 was also related to the moneytron case, as it is about money from the then moneytron case that was withold
but what i do not agree on is that the moneytron system was designed from the beginning to defraud investors, because there is no proof of that, that is just an assumption, but we do not know the facts about this.
you claim also that he became a politician to get inviolability? the man wrote countless atricles, and books about both national and international politics his entire life, just look at his facebook page, or website he also was invited and did many political debates, he had 3 political parties of his own, Rossem, Rossem 2, and Anderz, so this again is an asumption.
ypu also claim that he was a belgian bernie madoff because his moneytron system was a ponzi scheme, well according to some it was, according others, including the person who ownes the website https://derijkstebelgen.be claims that it was a white wash operation for black money, and not a ponzi scheme, so who's right in this matter, i also see articles that claim that van rossem was convicted for selling duplicated stocks, plus the 793 million, that you mention there is no proof of this what so ever, this is what van rossem always claimed himself, but there is no proof to support this claim, it could be less it could be more, do you have acces to court documents regarding this matter? i do not
you point at this entry as proof ponzi schemes well it might suprise you but i am the one who wrote it there, and after concideration it was wrong for me to do that, becuase apart from a few articles there is no proof at all
and comparing him to Al capone, that is just framing sorry, then you can compare him to Marc dutroux also, becuase marc dutroux also did not declare his income, and defrauded the government, Al capone was a mafia boss in the cosa nostra that was responsible for murders, and a whole bunch of other crimes, i think u heard this from Bart de wever in the media, when he talks about the drug crime problem in Antwerp, but this has nothing to do with van rossem 91.181.118.29 ( talk) 08:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
He gave a few "last interviews". First at a student which made it into a very poor made interview. THen later a docu-series of a few episodes featuring him meeting people from his carreer and life. During this time he was under investigation and he stated he will never go back to jail, and suggested he had a way to commit suicide. And would use it if he'd be called to go back to prison.
Shortly after being convicted again in his old age, he passed away. Anyone who has seen these last interviews of him are certain he has comitted suicide following the courts decision. but nowhere it's been reported officially. "cause of death is unknown for now"
Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhCvOakmU6M
Feature on his, preceding his death by a few months:
https://www.vier.be/van-rossem/jean-pierre-van-rossem-overleden-vier-zendt-laatste-tv-interview-vanavond-uit — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
91.183.48.163 (
talk) 14:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Van Rossem is not a Marxist, he has anarchist ideas, he believes in Liberty, freedom, individualism, he was anti-state, anti-authority he advocated the austrian school of economics (pure capitalism), and he had a libertarian party, so please stop calling him Marxist, he was not! thanks
he explains it here himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10fNv6br2Lw (look timestamps 07:13 to 07:56) 87.65.48.152 ( talk) 15:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)