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Its not clear what is meant with the inclusion of the following line:
However, time spent working through a respectable 'fake book', such as The New Real Book, will help in such situations.
-Yes, the Real Books do have some questionable changes- however, they are universally accepted as the standard gigging books to carry. I smell astroturfing in the above comments!
Take the A Train is now listed on List of jazz standards along with a list of performers and is thus redundant, but it can stay here for now. Hyacinth 02:39, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The second link is not working anymore???
This is the answer I get:
"
Forbidden You don't have permission to access /ea/jazz/standards.html on this server.
Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.music.sc.edu Port 80
"
Ggonnell 11:00, 06 Feb 2005 (CET)
Well that sounds a lot better already. A wider discussion about standards should be held so that the corrections and changes could be done. For example List of jazz standards is a very mixed combination of adapted tunes, bebop era tunes and Davis` repertoire.
I suggest that the List should be very limited and for the definitive songs only. Therefore another list should be also made: for example List of famous jazz tunes.
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An alternate definition of a jazz standard: A song, originally from a genre of music other than jazz, which has been adapted to be a vehicle for jazz improvisation. One example is "Lady Bird." Original jazz pieces, such as "Take Five," are not jazz standards under this definition.
The following tunes listed as bebop standards are not bebop:
Giant Steps: too advanced to be bebop ? Taking bebop further Milestones: definitely not bebop - this is Modal jazz
Round Midnight and Well you Needn't are Hard Bop jazz standards, I'd have thought.
Anyone like to disagree with me ? Maybe I'm splitting hairs but if noone complains, when I get the time I'll do a thorough list on a separate page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.79.145 ( talk) 19:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
I've done some pretty big changes here so I might as well explain myself. First of all, List of jazz standards was way too big, and it's going to get even bigger, so I split it in four. The articles are List of jazz standards (before 1930), List of jazz standards (1930s), List of jazz standards (1940s) and List of jazz standards (1950s and later). Now, I know what you're thinking: "Didn't we just merge all the lists together from List of swing jazz standards etc.?" Yes, but the list size was getting out of hand, and at least this way it can be objectively decided which tune goes where (I hope). I also want to change the not-so-informative table format into text format, and have done so with List of jazz standards (before 1930). This will in turn further increase the size of the lists. I plan to do this with the rest of the lists as well, but it'll take some time. I've also made List of jazz standards a redirect here, and made this article a summary of the different lists. As always, feedback is most welcome on the proposed textual format and the article split in general. Jafeluv ( talk) 21:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
"The Jazz Age" didn't start at the end of World War I; it started in 1925; the music from 1918-1924 is not part of this era; it does have a specific name which I cannot recall, but it is different from its predecessor "Ragtime" and the Jazz Age that started in the mid-1920s.
Furthermore, The Great Depression didn't start the instant the New York Stock Exchange had its famous crash; The Depression actually started two years later; it took that long for the effects of The Crash to ripple through the economy; I am sick-and-tired of people claiming that the instant the market crashed, The Depression started; this simply is not so.
Lastly, "The Jazz Age," musically, lasted until 1933; stylistically, this music continued on until then, much as "The 60s" really ended in 1973-74.
Jazz Age music, at that point, started to evolve into "Swing" which essentially finally defined itself by the spring of 1935; it had great rivalry from "Sweet" music that started in parallel with the depths of The Depression.
In fact, it wasn't until 1936 that Swing "won" this battle with Sweet Bands for the soul of American popular music.
Where people get all this nonsense stuff from is a total mystery to me; I'd love to give this portion of the article one helluva an edit!!!
Satchmo Sings ( talk) 14:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
These items were all removed today.
I'm not sure if any of them should be replaced? I'm leaving the list here, for future reference, or others to discuss. – Quiddity ( talk) 20:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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I've restored the link section. 1 has a valuable look up for what book a song can be found which means an interested party can purchase that book or review it in a library. The other two have chord changes to many Jazz Standards which can be a useful study aid. Wikipedia is about making information available and that is why I have restored this links. BrazenOwl ( talk) 02:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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Its not clear what is meant with the inclusion of the following line:
However, time spent working through a respectable 'fake book', such as The New Real Book, will help in such situations.
-Yes, the Real Books do have some questionable changes- however, they are universally accepted as the standard gigging books to carry. I smell astroturfing in the above comments!
Take the A Train is now listed on List of jazz standards along with a list of performers and is thus redundant, but it can stay here for now. Hyacinth 02:39, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The second link is not working anymore???
This is the answer I get:
"
Forbidden You don't have permission to access /ea/jazz/standards.html on this server.
Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.music.sc.edu Port 80
"
Ggonnell 11:00, 06 Feb 2005 (CET)
Well that sounds a lot better already. A wider discussion about standards should be held so that the corrections and changes could be done. For example List of jazz standards is a very mixed combination of adapted tunes, bebop era tunes and Davis` repertoire.
I suggest that the List should be very limited and for the definitive songs only. Therefore another list should be also made: for example List of famous jazz tunes.
--
An alternate definition of a jazz standard: A song, originally from a genre of music other than jazz, which has been adapted to be a vehicle for jazz improvisation. One example is "Lady Bird." Original jazz pieces, such as "Take Five," are not jazz standards under this definition.
The following tunes listed as bebop standards are not bebop:
Giant Steps: too advanced to be bebop ? Taking bebop further Milestones: definitely not bebop - this is Modal jazz
Round Midnight and Well you Needn't are Hard Bop jazz standards, I'd have thought.
Anyone like to disagree with me ? Maybe I'm splitting hairs but if noone complains, when I get the time I'll do a thorough list on a separate page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.44.79.145 ( talk) 19:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
I've done some pretty big changes here so I might as well explain myself. First of all, List of jazz standards was way too big, and it's going to get even bigger, so I split it in four. The articles are List of jazz standards (before 1930), List of jazz standards (1930s), List of jazz standards (1940s) and List of jazz standards (1950s and later). Now, I know what you're thinking: "Didn't we just merge all the lists together from List of swing jazz standards etc.?" Yes, but the list size was getting out of hand, and at least this way it can be objectively decided which tune goes where (I hope). I also want to change the not-so-informative table format into text format, and have done so with List of jazz standards (before 1930). This will in turn further increase the size of the lists. I plan to do this with the rest of the lists as well, but it'll take some time. I've also made List of jazz standards a redirect here, and made this article a summary of the different lists. As always, feedback is most welcome on the proposed textual format and the article split in general. Jafeluv ( talk) 21:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
"The Jazz Age" didn't start at the end of World War I; it started in 1925; the music from 1918-1924 is not part of this era; it does have a specific name which I cannot recall, but it is different from its predecessor "Ragtime" and the Jazz Age that started in the mid-1920s.
Furthermore, The Great Depression didn't start the instant the New York Stock Exchange had its famous crash; The Depression actually started two years later; it took that long for the effects of The Crash to ripple through the economy; I am sick-and-tired of people claiming that the instant the market crashed, The Depression started; this simply is not so.
Lastly, "The Jazz Age," musically, lasted until 1933; stylistically, this music continued on until then, much as "The 60s" really ended in 1973-74.
Jazz Age music, at that point, started to evolve into "Swing" which essentially finally defined itself by the spring of 1935; it had great rivalry from "Sweet" music that started in parallel with the depths of The Depression.
In fact, it wasn't until 1936 that Swing "won" this battle with Sweet Bands for the soul of American popular music.
Where people get all this nonsense stuff from is a total mystery to me; I'd love to give this portion of the article one helluva an edit!!!
Satchmo Sings ( talk) 14:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
These items were all removed today.
I'm not sure if any of them should be replaced? I'm leaving the list here, for future reference, or others to discuss. – Quiddity ( talk) 20:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
Material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work, or uses the work in a way compliant with fair use. Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright may be considered contributory copyright infringement.[2] If there is reason to believe that a website has a copy of a work in violation of its copyright, do not link to it. Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work casts a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors.
I've restored the link section. 1 has a valuable look up for what book a song can be found which means an interested party can purchase that book or review it in a library. The other two have chord changes to many Jazz Standards which can be a useful study aid. Wikipedia is about making information available and that is why I have restored this links. BrazenOwl ( talk) 02:51, 16 November 2013 (UTC)