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I only hear this guy referred to as "John D Rockfeller IV" outside of this article. Shouldn't the article be titled as such? I don't know in what contexts he goes by "Jay," but it's not the way he's best known, so I think the title should be changed...
Does anyone know if Senator Rockefeller owns oil stocks? His family got their $$ from Standard Oil, (which started Exxon, etc.). Is Rockefeller against the Iraq War because losing that war will keep the price of oil up?
If he supported it, you would no doubt say it was to control the oil. Sometimes you just can’t win for losing. 213.205.198.127 ( talk) 05:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
In July 2005, the Justice Dept. began an investigation concerning whether Senator Rockefeller is guilty of criminally leaking government secrets. [1] According to media personality Rush Limbaugh, Senator Rockefeller is also suspected of leaking NSA wiretap details in December 2005. [2]
After a nexis and google search, I'd like to propose the following for the last sentence of this section: There are unconfirmed rumors that Senator Rockefeller is also suspected of leaking NSA wiretap details in December 2005. Kschlot1 01:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Senator Rockefeller's office just called to complain about this. There is no investigation. The source cited above (Newsmax) is not reliable. Unless and until this turns into a bigger story, a random suspicion thrown out by Rush Limbaugh does not seem notable to me either. Let's not include this stuff unless and until we have reliable mainstream sources.
(To be clear: Rush Limbaugh can be a valid source, but there is a question of importance here -- if he said something once on the radio, that hardly merits inclusion in this article. If he's on a crusade and other media take notice, then it becomes interesting enough to include.)
-- Jimbo Wales 17:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this partisan piece of hackery, and I would do the same if it were a Republican. Rush Limbaugh and NewsMax are about as NPOV as Al Franken and Mother Jones are. Until you can provide evidence from some other source (EVEN FOX NEWS) less POV-pushing then those two, the section must go. -- Dragon695 02:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Agreed.-- Jimbo Wales 17:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Please keep your insults off this page. There is no need to say "Moonie Times", etc. 70.84.56.166 03:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone should give a mention to S. 733, specifically sec. 14 (b) (2) and sec. 18 (2). Rockafeller is basically sponsoring a bill that would give the president unlimited power to sequester any information he wants and shut down the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.24.225.125 ( talk) 20:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to certain Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005 "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq". [3] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views.
Rebuttal? As in a denial? What's there to "rebut"? 70.84.56.166 03:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to certain Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005: "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11." [4] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views. Regarding this trip and Senator Rockefeller's communications with Syrian and other leaders; as these facts became known, there have been suggestions made that Rockefeller may have violated the Logan Act and could be subject to criminal prosecution. [5]
Here's what the anon ip number wanted this paragraph to say: "In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to several Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005: "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11." [1] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views. Regarding this trip and Senator Rockefeller's communications with Syrian and other leaders; as these facts became known, there have been suggestions made that Rockefeller may have violated the Logan Act and could be subject to criminal prosecution. [2]"
This is a highly POV presentation, to say the least. The word "revealed" suggests what is later asserted... something which is completely unsupported by the references... that Sen. Rockefeller was privy to secret information which he revealed. Danny version notes that he made the trip, had the discussions, but does not prejudge whether the discussion did or did not reveal secrets -- we are not in a position to judge, nor in a position to suggest, one way or the other.
Even including the incident at all, in an article of this length, is fairly POV, but the solution to that is to make the article better and longer overall. I hardly think that the man's entire career is best summed up with this reference to a fairly minor event in that career.-- Jimbo Wales 21:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
According to Rocky "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria..." he went to 3 specific countries. There is no reason to obfuscate that fact and/or infer he went elsewhere. He went to those countries, stop deleting this true NPOV section title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.98.130.204 ( talk • contribs)
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Cybersecurity Act of 2009 is mentioned in this article, but it's also notable enough to deserve its own article. I can't create it because I have been topic banned from political articles. Grundle2600 ( talk) 03:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the page for Jay's eldest son John Davison "Jamie" Rockefeller V seems to have gone. I recall there once being an article for Jamie, what happened to it? If it isn't gone, then why does the "John D. Rockefeller V" link redirect me to John D. "Jay" Rockefeller IV's page?? Thesomeone987 ( talk) 03:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)Thesomeone987
Why did Rockefeller join the Senate 12 days later than the other senators who were elected in 1984? See Seniority in the United States Senate (which offers no explanation). KarlFrei ( talk) 15:58, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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I only hear this guy referred to as "John D Rockfeller IV" outside of this article. Shouldn't the article be titled as such? I don't know in what contexts he goes by "Jay," but it's not the way he's best known, so I think the title should be changed...
Does anyone know if Senator Rockefeller owns oil stocks? His family got their $$ from Standard Oil, (which started Exxon, etc.). Is Rockefeller against the Iraq War because losing that war will keep the price of oil up?
If he supported it, you would no doubt say it was to control the oil. Sometimes you just can’t win for losing. 213.205.198.127 ( talk) 05:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
In July 2005, the Justice Dept. began an investigation concerning whether Senator Rockefeller is guilty of criminally leaking government secrets. [1] According to media personality Rush Limbaugh, Senator Rockefeller is also suspected of leaking NSA wiretap details in December 2005. [2]
After a nexis and google search, I'd like to propose the following for the last sentence of this section: There are unconfirmed rumors that Senator Rockefeller is also suspected of leaking NSA wiretap details in December 2005. Kschlot1 01:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Senator Rockefeller's office just called to complain about this. There is no investigation. The source cited above (Newsmax) is not reliable. Unless and until this turns into a bigger story, a random suspicion thrown out by Rush Limbaugh does not seem notable to me either. Let's not include this stuff unless and until we have reliable mainstream sources.
(To be clear: Rush Limbaugh can be a valid source, but there is a question of importance here -- if he said something once on the radio, that hardly merits inclusion in this article. If he's on a crusade and other media take notice, then it becomes interesting enough to include.)
-- Jimbo Wales 17:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I have removed this partisan piece of hackery, and I would do the same if it were a Republican. Rush Limbaugh and NewsMax are about as NPOV as Al Franken and Mother Jones are. Until you can provide evidence from some other source (EVEN FOX NEWS) less POV-pushing then those two, the section must go. -- Dragon695 02:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Agreed.-- Jimbo Wales 17:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Please keep your insults off this page. There is no need to say "Moonie Times", etc. 70.84.56.166 03:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone should give a mention to S. 733, specifically sec. 14 (b) (2) and sec. 18 (2). Rockafeller is basically sponsoring a bill that would give the president unlimited power to sequester any information he wants and shut down the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.24.225.125 ( talk) 20:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to certain Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005 "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq". [3] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views.
Rebuttal? As in a denial? What's there to "rebut"? 70.84.56.166 03:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to certain Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005: "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11." [4] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views. Regarding this trip and Senator Rockefeller's communications with Syrian and other leaders; as these facts became known, there have been suggestions made that Rockefeller may have violated the Logan Act and could be subject to criminal prosecution. [5]
Here's what the anon ip number wanted this paragraph to say: "In 2002, Senator Rockefeller travelled to several Middle East countries and revealed United States military intentions to the leaders of those countries. Rockefeller was quoted admitting this in November 2005: "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria, and I told each of the heads of state that it was my view that George Bush had already made up his mind to go to war against Iraq, that that was a predetermined set course which had taken shape shortly after 9/11." [1] As a ranking Senator, Rockefeller is privy to many internal military planning details on which he is able to form his personal views. Regarding this trip and Senator Rockefeller's communications with Syrian and other leaders; as these facts became known, there have been suggestions made that Rockefeller may have violated the Logan Act and could be subject to criminal prosecution. [2]"
This is a highly POV presentation, to say the least. The word "revealed" suggests what is later asserted... something which is completely unsupported by the references... that Sen. Rockefeller was privy to secret information which he revealed. Danny version notes that he made the trip, had the discussions, but does not prejudge whether the discussion did or did not reveal secrets -- we are not in a position to judge, nor in a position to suggest, one way or the other.
Even including the incident at all, in an article of this length, is fairly POV, but the solution to that is to make the article better and longer overall. I hardly think that the man's entire career is best summed up with this reference to a fairly minor event in that career.-- Jimbo Wales 21:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
According to Rocky "I took a trip by myself in January of 2002 to Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Syria..." he went to 3 specific countries. There is no reason to obfuscate that fact and/or infer he went elsewhere. He went to those countries, stop deleting this true NPOV section title.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.98.130.204 ( talk • contribs)
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Cybersecurity Act of 2009 is mentioned in this article, but it's also notable enough to deserve its own article. I can't create it because I have been topic banned from political articles. Grundle2600 ( talk) 03:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice that the page for Jay's eldest son John Davison "Jamie" Rockefeller V seems to have gone. I recall there once being an article for Jamie, what happened to it? If it isn't gone, then why does the "John D. Rockefeller V" link redirect me to John D. "Jay" Rockefeller IV's page?? Thesomeone987 ( talk) 03:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)Thesomeone987
Why did Rockefeller join the Senate 12 days later than the other senators who were elected in 1984? See Seniority in the United States Senate (which offers no explanation). KarlFrei ( talk) 15:58, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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