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In 2011 and 2014 the article on this person was deleted as noted above in the deletion records. Most people argued that notability was WP:NOTINHERITED. I think that this article should be kept because this person meets WP:GNG due to having been the subject of multiple journal articles over a period of time. Here are some sources which establish that this person meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria:
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help)The other articles cited give information about her marriage to Modi and their relationship. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:23, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In 2002 there are reports that Darshan Desai tried to interview Jashodaben but was unable to reach her. See
I am not sure what the story is about this incident but it seems like another case when Jashodaben got media attention. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there any source for Jashodaben's birthday? I cannot find it. A 2014 interview says that she is 62, which puts her year of birth at 1952. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Jashodaben graduated and received her SSC in either 1972 or 1974. The Open interview says 1972, but the Indian Express interview says 1974. The Indian Express article says that her father died two years after beginning her studies, so knowing when she started studying could help place his death date in this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:45, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Dharmadhyaksha This page should not be speedily deleted because... I checked previous AfD discussions. This article is different now. I wrote an entirely new article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Nick turned this article into a redirect. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
In three deletion discussions and elsewhere in forums people have said that "Jashodaben Chimanlal" does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, most commonly citing WP:BLP1E. In response to those comments I have reformatted this article to be about that one event, the marriage of Narendra Modi and Jashodaben Chimanlal, which has gotten a lot of media attention. Thanks Cutest Penguin, Dharmadhyaksha, SmokeyJoe, and Kautilya3 for feedback. If you have other thoughts on this article please share. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure what to call the relationship status. I would like to link to some Wikipedia article to describe it but none of these words describe the situation. Their status is an Indian concept and there is not really any English word for it.
I am not sure how to describe it. Ideas? Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Malaiya ( talk) 03:10, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Some sources commented that the November 2014 removal of the Special Protection Group chief was related to the complaints from that month that the SPG officers were getting media attention due to Jashodaben's RTI.
I see no follow up on this story so I omitted it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
In the Indian Express interview Jashodaben says that she married when she was 17. If she was born in 1952, then the marriage was in 1969. Modi's official biography says that he traveled from age 17 for two years, so perhaps 1967-1969. The story in Caravan says that Modi was married at age 18 which might have been 1968 or 69, wandered for two years, then was to meet his wife again in 1970 or 71, then he separated. Times of India and others reporting on Modi's election filing say that Modi was married at age 17, which would be 1967.
All of this talk of years is original research and what is needed is a source which gives the year of the marriage, because even knowing his age the year of marriage could be either of two years depending on the month. Is there any source which gives the year or date when Modi and Jashodaben married? It seems like Jashodaben and Modi remember different years. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
This article was last deleted in November 2014. Since then I have added more references from more sources. I feel like the content I have added should meet all previous objections that the subject of this article does not pass Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for inclusion as an article. The article has been deleted four times in total, and someone may feel like deleting it again. If someone wishes to nominate it for deletion then I would help if asked, and could do things like signal people who previously said to delete the article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Rajosana village? Or Unjha? The article says one, then the other. -- Haruo ( talk) 05:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
The section "Jashodaben as Representative of Indian Women" is completely biased in favor of a sexist view of what women should do in such a situation as the topic person. It contains only praise for her frankly needless self-sacrifice and self-denial, nothing about any debates, let alone critcisms, on or of the message she is sending to so many females in her country that are in comparable situations with their relationships, nor other perspectives on the moral value of her conduct as compared with, say, that of someone like Anuradha Gandhy? Jamutaq ( talk) 21:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I believe the portrait ( File:Jashodaben Narendrabhai Modi painted.jpg) is a work of original research being an artistic drawing derived from multiple sources, and being, by definition, crafted by and subject to the artist's personal interpretations and choices. -- Veggies ( talk) 22:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
In 2011 and 2014 the article on this person was deleted as noted above in the deletion records. Most people argued that notability was WP:NOTINHERITED. I think that this article should be kept because this person meets WP:GNG due to having been the subject of multiple journal articles over a period of time. Here are some sources which establish that this person meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria:
Tv9 Gujarati
{{
cite web}}
: |author=
has generic name (
help)The other articles cited give information about her marriage to Modi and their relationship. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:23, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In 2002 there are reports that Darshan Desai tried to interview Jashodaben but was unable to reach her. See
I am not sure what the story is about this incident but it seems like another case when Jashodaben got media attention. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there any source for Jashodaben's birthday? I cannot find it. A 2014 interview says that she is 62, which puts her year of birth at 1952. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Jashodaben graduated and received her SSC in either 1972 or 1974. The Open interview says 1972, but the Indian Express interview says 1974. The Indian Express article says that her father died two years after beginning her studies, so knowing when she started studying could help place his death date in this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:45, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Dharmadhyaksha This page should not be speedily deleted because... I checked previous AfD discussions. This article is different now. I wrote an entirely new article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Nick turned this article into a redirect. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
In three deletion discussions and elsewhere in forums people have said that "Jashodaben Chimanlal" does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, most commonly citing WP:BLP1E. In response to those comments I have reformatted this article to be about that one event, the marriage of Narendra Modi and Jashodaben Chimanlal, which has gotten a lot of media attention. Thanks Cutest Penguin, Dharmadhyaksha, SmokeyJoe, and Kautilya3 for feedback. If you have other thoughts on this article please share. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure what to call the relationship status. I would like to link to some Wikipedia article to describe it but none of these words describe the situation. Their status is an Indian concept and there is not really any English word for it.
I am not sure how to describe it. Ideas? Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Malaiya ( talk) 03:10, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Some sources commented that the November 2014 removal of the Special Protection Group chief was related to the complaints from that month that the SPG officers were getting media attention due to Jashodaben's RTI.
I see no follow up on this story so I omitted it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
In the Indian Express interview Jashodaben says that she married when she was 17. If she was born in 1952, then the marriage was in 1969. Modi's official biography says that he traveled from age 17 for two years, so perhaps 1967-1969. The story in Caravan says that Modi was married at age 18 which might have been 1968 or 69, wandered for two years, then was to meet his wife again in 1970 or 71, then he separated. Times of India and others reporting on Modi's election filing say that Modi was married at age 17, which would be 1967.
All of this talk of years is original research and what is needed is a source which gives the year of the marriage, because even knowing his age the year of marriage could be either of two years depending on the month. Is there any source which gives the year or date when Modi and Jashodaben married? It seems like Jashodaben and Modi remember different years. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
This article was last deleted in November 2014. Since then I have added more references from more sources. I feel like the content I have added should meet all previous objections that the subject of this article does not pass Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for inclusion as an article. The article has been deleted four times in total, and someone may feel like deleting it again. If someone wishes to nominate it for deletion then I would help if asked, and could do things like signal people who previously said to delete the article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Rajosana village? Or Unjha? The article says one, then the other. -- Haruo ( talk) 05:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
The section "Jashodaben as Representative of Indian Women" is completely biased in favor of a sexist view of what women should do in such a situation as the topic person. It contains only praise for her frankly needless self-sacrifice and self-denial, nothing about any debates, let alone critcisms, on or of the message she is sending to so many females in her country that are in comparable situations with their relationships, nor other perspectives on the moral value of her conduct as compared with, say, that of someone like Anuradha Gandhy? Jamutaq ( talk) 21:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
I believe the portrait ( File:Jashodaben Narendrabhai Modi painted.jpg) is a work of original research being an artistic drawing derived from multiple sources, and being, by definition, crafted by and subject to the artist's personal interpretations and choices. -- Veggies ( talk) 22:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)