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That Kushner was accepted to Harvard due to his father's relationship with the school is pertinent and basic bio info. The content in question is sourced to reporting by ProPublica and the Guardian, so is perfectly fine. The content should not be deleted. [1] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I removed a bit sourced to the opinion of one journalist, about Kushner's acceptance into Harvard, which was reverted, self reverted, and then reverted again naturally by Snooganssnoogans. If editors think such content is warranted, we may need to revisit the Hunter Biden, George W Bush, and the countless other sons and daughters of prominent and rich people who get into Ivy League Schools. Who cares what Daniel Golden thinks about Kushner? This doesn't belong in an encyclopedic BLP. Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:BLPGOSSIP: "Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject. Be wary of relying on sources that use weasel words and that attribute material to anonymous sources." The Golden article in Propublica never says "Kushner was accepted due to his father's donations and history with the school." [quoting our current article] It merely suggests that as a likelihood, not a fact. We are told his father gave a big donation, that unnamed sources at his high school were surprised he got in, and that it is common for "the rich buy their under-achieving children’s way into elite universities with massive, tax-deductible donations." The Harvard admission page advises potential applicants: "There is no single academic path we expect all students to follow..." [2] We do not know what factors Harvard considered, we just have surmise and anonymous gossip. This claim does not belong in the article.-- agr ( talk) 18:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes this should be included. Many reliable sources and fitting. Also brought up here. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jared_Kushner_%E2%80%93_father_made_$2.5M_donation_just_before_Harvard_admission ContentEditman ( talk) 00:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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Unsubstantiated text regarding Jared Kushner's role in the White House administration response to the COVID 19 pandemic. Amandaesq ( talk) 17:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Amandaesq. Amandaesq ( talk) 17:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Create a "In popular culture" section.
One minor example; Jared Kushner: Coronavirus Hero Boy on YouTube published May 6, 2020 Some More News
X1\ ( talk) 21:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
It's indefensible to remove text from the lead about his role in the administration bungled coronavirus response. At this point in Kushner's life, it is the most notable and important thing he's ever done. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 14:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
We should cover [3] how much he earned in outside income while serving in the White House, as reported by RS. It goes to the heart of the concerns raised regarding conflicts of interest. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 13:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
The wiki page for Charles Kushner states: In 2005, he was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering. He resumed his career in real estate after his release from federal prison and halfway house. As is evident, Charles Kushner is no longer a "former" real estate developer, but describing him entirely as "real estate developer" brushes over the semi-interrupted nature of his career. As it stands, the description is at the very least not up to date with current facts present elsewhere on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.33.103 ( talk) 10:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
The citation for the sentence that reads: "Kushner helped write the Oval Office address that President Trump gave to the nation on March 11, 2020, along with Trump's far-right advisor Stephen Miller."
The reference is currently: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trumps-coronavirus-unity.html The above link mentions nothing of the sort!
I find that the actual reference exists, and it should be changed to: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-address.html This link to a New York Times article clearly mentions Mr. Kushner and alleges his participation in the construction of the address.
Please review, and if necessary revise, or if I'm mistaken, please give me some feedback!
Thanks to all, and keep up the good work! 172.250.237.36 ( talk) 15:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
The current lead sentence says Kushner is "an American investor, real-estate developer, and newspaper publisher who is senior advisor to his father-in-law, Donald Trump, the president of the United States." User:Northern Moonlight modified it to say he is "an American investor, real-estate developer, newspaper publisher and politician who is…" I reverted because IMO he does not meets the definition of Politician - he has never run for or held elective office, or been active in party politics - and I don’t think most people think of him as a politician. In a search I could not find any Reliable Sources describing him by that term. What do others think? -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Should the lead mention that Kushner:
The content would summarize this section [4], the largest in the body of the article. original date: 18 July 2020 (UTC). Date for re-start of RfC: Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 05:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
played a leadership role in the Trump administration's COVID-19 responseis needed. I mean what is this leadership role? On the other hand assertions 2,3 are statements of facts, echoed by reliable sources, and very relevant presently, for readers to know. - hako9 ( talk) 19:53, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
"Trump put Kushner in charge of brokering peace in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, despite the fact that Kushner had no foreign experience or experience in the Middle East.[107][108][109]"
I would say adding the bit "despite the fact that Kushner had no foreign experience" is not NPOV and is as irrelevant as it's unencyclopedic. Moreover, it's already mentioned in the lede that he is a recipient of nepotism something not mentioned in any of the children of Democrat politicians (I wonder why that maybe - sarcasm).
So if this is relevant I will go ahead and adjust Hunter Biden's page to say he had no experience to warrant serving as a member of the board of a Ukrainian energy/oil company. Not to mention Kushner successfully negotiated peace settlements in the Middle East that notable politicians such as John Kerry had deemed not possible to be done - so please inform me why this bit is relevant or in the least not mean it should be similarly mentioned on Hunter Biden's page... I'll wait.
Pformenti ( talk) 09:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I just read through the countless discussions of you and other Wiki editors whitewashing Hunter Biden's page, the fact that you mention he has no experience and is a recipient of nepotism here but not on Hunter Biden's page is why people think Wikipedia is a joke. Pformenti ( talk) 17:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Change sub-heading "His security clearance" to just "Security clearance", unless there's some reason to include the pronoun that I'm not seeing.
Wikipedia headings typically don't use such pronouns - "Conflicts of interest", not "His conflicts of interest"; "Usage of WhatsApp for White House duties", not "His usage of WhatsApp for White House duties"; et cetera. Unless there's a readily apparent point to the increased specificity, such as to contrast "his something" with "another something", the latter versions sound rather clunky, no?
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That Kushner was accepted to Harvard due to his father's relationship with the school is pertinent and basic bio info. The content in question is sourced to reporting by ProPublica and the Guardian, so is perfectly fine. The content should not be deleted. [1] Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 18:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I removed a bit sourced to the opinion of one journalist, about Kushner's acceptance into Harvard, which was reverted, self reverted, and then reverted again naturally by Snooganssnoogans. If editors think such content is warranted, we may need to revisit the Hunter Biden, George W Bush, and the countless other sons and daughters of prominent and rich people who get into Ivy League Schools. Who cares what Daniel Golden thinks about Kushner? This doesn't belong in an encyclopedic BLP. Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:BLPGOSSIP: "Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true; and whether, even if true, it is relevant to a disinterested article about the subject. Be wary of relying on sources that use weasel words and that attribute material to anonymous sources." The Golden article in Propublica never says "Kushner was accepted due to his father's donations and history with the school." [quoting our current article] It merely suggests that as a likelihood, not a fact. We are told his father gave a big donation, that unnamed sources at his high school were surprised he got in, and that it is common for "the rich buy their under-achieving children’s way into elite universities with massive, tax-deductible donations." The Harvard admission page advises potential applicants: "There is no single academic path we expect all students to follow..." [2] We do not know what factors Harvard considered, we just have surmise and anonymous gossip. This claim does not belong in the article.-- agr ( talk) 18:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Yes this should be included. Many reliable sources and fitting. Also brought up here. /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jared_Kushner_%E2%80%93_father_made_$2.5M_donation_just_before_Harvard_admission ContentEditman ( talk) 00:09, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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Unsubstantiated text regarding Jared Kushner's role in the White House administration response to the COVID 19 pandemic. Amandaesq ( talk) 17:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Amandaesq. Amandaesq ( talk) 17:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Create a "In popular culture" section.
One minor example; Jared Kushner: Coronavirus Hero Boy on YouTube published May 6, 2020 Some More News
X1\ ( talk) 21:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
It's indefensible to remove text from the lead about his role in the administration bungled coronavirus response. At this point in Kushner's life, it is the most notable and important thing he's ever done. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 14:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
We should cover [3] how much he earned in outside income while serving in the White House, as reported by RS. It goes to the heart of the concerns raised regarding conflicts of interest. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 13:18, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
The wiki page for Charles Kushner states: In 2005, he was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering. He resumed his career in real estate after his release from federal prison and halfway house. As is evident, Charles Kushner is no longer a "former" real estate developer, but describing him entirely as "real estate developer" brushes over the semi-interrupted nature of his career. As it stands, the description is at the very least not up to date with current facts present elsewhere on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.33.103 ( talk) 10:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
The citation for the sentence that reads: "Kushner helped write the Oval Office address that President Trump gave to the nation on March 11, 2020, along with Trump's far-right advisor Stephen Miller."
The reference is currently: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trumps-coronavirus-unity.html The above link mentions nothing of the sort!
I find that the actual reference exists, and it should be changed to: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-address.html This link to a New York Times article clearly mentions Mr. Kushner and alleges his participation in the construction of the address.
Please review, and if necessary revise, or if I'm mistaken, please give me some feedback!
Thanks to all, and keep up the good work! 172.250.237.36 ( talk) 15:41, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
The current lead sentence says Kushner is "an American investor, real-estate developer, and newspaper publisher who is senior advisor to his father-in-law, Donald Trump, the president of the United States." User:Northern Moonlight modified it to say he is "an American investor, real-estate developer, newspaper publisher and politician who is…" I reverted because IMO he does not meets the definition of Politician - he has never run for or held elective office, or been active in party politics - and I don’t think most people think of him as a politician. In a search I could not find any Reliable Sources describing him by that term. What do others think? -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Should the lead mention that Kushner:
The content would summarize this section [4], the largest in the body of the article. original date: 18 July 2020 (UTC). Date for re-start of RfC: Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 05:28, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
played a leadership role in the Trump administration's COVID-19 responseis needed. I mean what is this leadership role? On the other hand assertions 2,3 are statements of facts, echoed by reliable sources, and very relevant presently, for readers to know. - hako9 ( talk) 19:53, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
"Trump put Kushner in charge of brokering peace in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, despite the fact that Kushner had no foreign experience or experience in the Middle East.[107][108][109]"
I would say adding the bit "despite the fact that Kushner had no foreign experience" is not NPOV and is as irrelevant as it's unencyclopedic. Moreover, it's already mentioned in the lede that he is a recipient of nepotism something not mentioned in any of the children of Democrat politicians (I wonder why that maybe - sarcasm).
So if this is relevant I will go ahead and adjust Hunter Biden's page to say he had no experience to warrant serving as a member of the board of a Ukrainian energy/oil company. Not to mention Kushner successfully negotiated peace settlements in the Middle East that notable politicians such as John Kerry had deemed not possible to be done - so please inform me why this bit is relevant or in the least not mean it should be similarly mentioned on Hunter Biden's page... I'll wait.
Pformenti ( talk) 09:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I just read through the countless discussions of you and other Wiki editors whitewashing Hunter Biden's page, the fact that you mention he has no experience and is a recipient of nepotism here but not on Hunter Biden's page is why people think Wikipedia is a joke. Pformenti ( talk) 17:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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Jared Kushner has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change sub-heading "His security clearance" to just "Security clearance", unless there's some reason to include the pronoun that I'm not seeing.
Wikipedia headings typically don't use such pronouns - "Conflicts of interest", not "His conflicts of interest"; "Usage of WhatsApp for White House duties", not "His usage of WhatsApp for White House duties"; et cetera. Unless there's a readily apparent point to the increased specificity, such as to contrast "his something" with "another something", the latter versions sound rather clunky, no?
- 2A02:560:4237:4900:F00E:51C3:169F:63D6 ( talk) 19:32, 21 February 2021 (UTC)