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I'm sure if someone asked the Yonghop news agency, they would give permission to use in Wikipedia. After all the news agency is in South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.161.53 ( talk) 00:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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Sung-taek died on 13 December North Korean time; even though it might be somewhat strange now (because of time zoning), the correct time of death is that one. I have reverted one change which changed the date from 13 to 12 December, which is not accurate. Küñall ( talk) 23:26, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-north-korea-executes-uncle-kim-20131212,0,2330497.story#ixzz2nJCPgCJE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goti1233 ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to advocate that the spelling used on the main WP page being Chang SOng-taek, not Chang SUng-taek. The former spelling results in a more correct pronunciation in vernacular English. 208.65.144.234 ( talk) 22:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I wonder what the problem is with the page-view statistics. It gives less than a thousand views over the last 30 days. This is clearly wrong (compare the figures for a peripheral person, Kim Han-sol). Does it have to do with spelling? I don't know, but that shouldn't be the case since I clicked on the page-view button for this article. Kdammers ( talk) 01:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
In the last paragraph under Rise and fall... it says "Analysts vied this as a 'striking' choice..." Clearly that ought to be "viewed." 142.166.231.48 ( talk) 23:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
'Thought to have been particularly unacceptable to Kim Jong-nam were Jang's "continued expression of sympathy towards" Kim Jong-nam—Kim Jong-nam's half-brother and Kim Jong-il's eldest son—who is living in exile under Chinese protection.' Thus ends the section "Rise and fall under Kim Jong-un". A nam too many? Rothorpe ( talk) 02:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the pronunciation given in the article. The pronunciation of the name Jang Sung-Taek is given as [dʑaŋ suŋ tɛk]. It should actually be [dʑaŋ sʌŋ tɛk]. 129.2.129.236 ( talk) 20:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
"...and many analysts believe that before Jang and Kim Kyong-hui had been estranged before his purge."
There's an extra 'before' in the previous sentence.
>> Former NBA star Rodman arrives in North Korea ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)).
There's a good article here about the story than Jang was executed by being fed to hungry dogs. It was reported by a small Hong Kong paper on December 12 (whose credibility issues have their own section) but largely ignored by western sources until last night, when I guess it went viral. If we do include it, it should definitely be bracketed by the phrase "According to a report in Wen Wei Po..." Thoughts, opinions?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 18:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I edit mainly in soccer, but was mesmerized and haunted by this story. Did some websearch and found this (please see here http://www.librered.net/?p=31459, in Spanish) and this ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/06/us-korea-north-jang-idUSBREA050DP20140106 i think it's pretty much the same coverage, but in English now), which confirms story to be a hoax perpetrated by a Chinese humourist, and Weng Wei Po was the first to "buy" it.
Not much of a consolation that Mr. Sung-Taek did not die in such a ghoulish manner given the extremely serious political situation of North Korea, though. Happy 2014 everyone, whistle if you need anything soccer-related. -- AL ( talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I've gone through removing all "analysts think.." which are just referring the thoughts of the same old singular analyst. We also seem to be using the Huffington Post as a reliable source on North Korea, which feels unlikely. Secretlady ( talk) 04:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:51, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I've placed an image request template after failing to locate suitable images myself. Here's some thoughts: While usually the subject's death makes things easy for us because it's possible to use fair-use images instead of free ones, here it seems to be of no help. Specifically, the applicable fair-use guidelines forbid the use of images originating from news agencies as this automatically violates the "respect for commercial opportunity" criteria ( WP:NFCI 10.). Every single image of Jang I have found is either by a western news agency or by KCNA and distributed by western news agencies. Particularly problematic are official portraits which are identified as being "released" by KCNA. Some foreign language Wikipedas use these photos but the use is certainly not compatible with our categorical news agency ban. I doubt these portraits are actually done by KCNA since they are not news photos, but we lack a definitive source on this. I've tried other sources than news agencies (ministry and embassy sites of China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos and other countries with close relations with NK) to no avail; all photos can be traced back to news agencies. One final case would be to argue that KCTV is not a news agency per se and use a screen capture, but I am not sure if this holds. Good luck! Finnusertop ( talk | guestbook | contribs) 20:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm removing the Rodman story: "Former NBA star Dennis Rodman said that he saw Jang Sung-taek in 2014 and that he was still alive."(ref: http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140507000127&cid=1101 ). If he did say that, he was clearly mistaken.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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I'm sure if someone asked the Yonghop news agency, they would give permission to use in Wikipedia. After all the news agency is in South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.34.161.53 ( talk) 00:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Result of discussion: Sung-taek died on 12 December. |
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Sung-taek died on 13 December North Korean time; even though it might be somewhat strange now (because of time zoning), the correct time of death is that one. I have reverted one change which changed the date from 13 to 12 December, which is not accurate. Küñall ( talk) 23:26, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-north-korea-executes-uncle-kim-20131212,0,2330497.story#ixzz2nJCPgCJE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goti1233 ( talk • contribs) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
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I would like to advocate that the spelling used on the main WP page being Chang SOng-taek, not Chang SUng-taek. The former spelling results in a more correct pronunciation in vernacular English. 208.65.144.234 ( talk) 22:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I wonder what the problem is with the page-view statistics. It gives less than a thousand views over the last 30 days. This is clearly wrong (compare the figures for a peripheral person, Kim Han-sol). Does it have to do with spelling? I don't know, but that shouldn't be the case since I clicked on the page-view button for this article. Kdammers ( talk) 01:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
In the last paragraph under Rise and fall... it says "Analysts vied this as a 'striking' choice..." Clearly that ought to be "viewed." 142.166.231.48 ( talk) 23:38, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
'Thought to have been particularly unacceptable to Kim Jong-nam were Jang's "continued expression of sympathy towards" Kim Jong-nam—Kim Jong-nam's half-brother and Kim Jong-il's eldest son—who is living in exile under Chinese protection.' Thus ends the section "Rise and fall under Kim Jong-un". A nam too many? Rothorpe ( talk) 02:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the pronunciation given in the article. The pronunciation of the name Jang Sung-Taek is given as [dʑaŋ suŋ tɛk]. It should actually be [dʑaŋ sʌŋ tɛk]. 129.2.129.236 ( talk) 20:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
"...and many analysts believe that before Jang and Kim Kyong-hui had been estranged before his purge."
There's an extra 'before' in the previous sentence.
>> Former NBA star Rodman arrives in North Korea ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)).
There's a good article here about the story than Jang was executed by being fed to hungry dogs. It was reported by a small Hong Kong paper on December 12 (whose credibility issues have their own section) but largely ignored by western sources until last night, when I guess it went viral. If we do include it, it should definitely be bracketed by the phrase "According to a report in Wen Wei Po..." Thoughts, opinions?-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 18:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I edit mainly in soccer, but was mesmerized and haunted by this story. Did some websearch and found this (please see here http://www.librered.net/?p=31459, in Spanish) and this ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/06/us-korea-north-jang-idUSBREA050DP20140106 i think it's pretty much the same coverage, but in English now), which confirms story to be a hoax perpetrated by a Chinese humourist, and Weng Wei Po was the first to "buy" it.
Not much of a consolation that Mr. Sung-Taek did not die in such a ghoulish manner given the extremely serious political situation of North Korea, though. Happy 2014 everyone, whistle if you need anything soccer-related. -- AL ( talk) 01:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
I've gone through removing all "analysts think.." which are just referring the thoughts of the same old singular analyst. We also seem to be using the Huffington Post as a reliable source on North Korea, which feels unlikely. Secretlady ( talk) 04:43, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:51, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I've placed an image request template after failing to locate suitable images myself. Here's some thoughts: While usually the subject's death makes things easy for us because it's possible to use fair-use images instead of free ones, here it seems to be of no help. Specifically, the applicable fair-use guidelines forbid the use of images originating from news agencies as this automatically violates the "respect for commercial opportunity" criteria ( WP:NFCI 10.). Every single image of Jang I have found is either by a western news agency or by KCNA and distributed by western news agencies. Particularly problematic are official portraits which are identified as being "released" by KCNA. Some foreign language Wikipedas use these photos but the use is certainly not compatible with our categorical news agency ban. I doubt these portraits are actually done by KCNA since they are not news photos, but we lack a definitive source on this. I've tried other sources than news agencies (ministry and embassy sites of China, Russia, Vietnam, Laos and other countries with close relations with NK) to no avail; all photos can be traced back to news agencies. One final case would be to argue that KCTV is not a news agency per se and use a screen capture, but I am not sure if this holds. Good luck! Finnusertop ( talk | guestbook | contribs) 20:08, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm removing the Rodman story: "Former NBA star Dennis Rodman said that he saw Jang Sung-taek in 2014 and that he was still alive."(ref: http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140507000127&cid=1101 ). If he did say that, he was clearly mistaken.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
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