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It seems that this article mostly serves to promote the person who it is about. Does this man need a quotes page when several famous philosophers do not? Do you see where I am going with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.227.184 ( talk) 11:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
does he have a girlfriend / wife? I want to know because it seems like a lot of these rich successful guys in silicon valley don't.
where did he go to college? CMU?
Jamie is a outstanding programmer. We are all in debt of his work, at least in pushing Netscape to "open" his browser. Yes, Netscape did it too late, but did it because of at least jwz. What about current Internet if it was dominated only by Microsoft Internet Explorer ? -- Nbrouard 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
No-brainer. It's a one-line stub. Chris Cunningham 13:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
do you, wikipedia community, consider ok to add here another quote attributed to Zawinski: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.78.82.95 ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 August 2007
Do add a note that his homepage is a work of art: a hex dump theme. I tried but
(Reverted good faith edits by Jidanni; Perhaps, but we aren't supposed to be passing judgement. using TW) (undo)
Jidanni 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Jeffrey Friedl, author of Mastering Regular Expressions, did some digging on this quote. His finding are located in his blog [1]. Among his commentors was Jamie saying he, indeed, repurposed the quote. Is this relevant? 212.235.15.70 ( talk) 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this person notable? Richard Pinch ( talk) 17:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Preserved from its removal:
It may have been inspired by the humorous Law of Software Development and Envelopment at MIT, which was posted on Usenet in 1989 by Greg Kuperberg, who wrote:
Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail.
-- Gwern (contribs) 14:31 14 September 2009 (GMT)
Considering the notability of this guy, the article should really have a picture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.25 ( talk) 03:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Why does this article not cite the persistent speculation that Zawinski is the actual author of the Dali Clock screensaver? This rumor is legendary in Silicon Valley, so much so that nobody is certain who is really responsible for the software authorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.241.2 ( talk) 19:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the W stands for? This is important information! 216.240.30.23 ( talk) 21:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the "chair throwing" claim because it was based on a self-published source, which is contrary to WP:SPS:
Since the claim is itself both controversial and rather unreliable (a quote from the source: "most everything I have to say about jwz is hearsay"), WP:BLP applies. GregorB ( talk) 15:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
'former' was added in 2009 [2], and it is understandable addition, however 'former professional' (professional added here) can be read to mean he is now unprofessional. He is most notable as a software engineer, and he still maintains software, and builds software to run his nightclub, and is still called to comment on software matters. John Vandenberg ( chat) 04:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
the above article redirects to this one, but it is not referred to anywhere in the text. Stub Mandrel ( talk) 09:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
BTW this law is unfunny today: mail client plug-in is cheap, but what is more, nowadays programs can talk to each other via internets with no mails attached :-). Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I have restored Jamie's DNA ownership to the lede. This is, in truth, the thing that he is most well-known for in the current decade and honestly the fact that it isn't better sourced or discussed is surprising to me. (I don't think this is bad-faith; I think it's a natural outcome of computer science types writing about computer science types; they're excited about the code, not so much the bartending).
The section should be improved; I'll look for better sources to expand it.-- Jorm ( talk) 23:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I think there should be some information in this article about Jamie's personal beef with Microsoft, as described here: https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html.
2600:1700:37A0:8250:0:0:0:49 ( talk) 13:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Nome, Alaska, or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? This WP page says Pittsburgh; IMDB says Nome. Are there sources for either? Ɛs Huvər ( talk) 03:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Zawinski's law of software envelopment was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 15 August 2011 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Jamie Zawinski. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here. |
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It seems that this article mostly serves to promote the person who it is about. Does this man need a quotes page when several famous philosophers do not? Do you see where I am going with this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.62.227.184 ( talk) 11:35, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
does he have a girlfriend / wife? I want to know because it seems like a lot of these rich successful guys in silicon valley don't.
where did he go to college? CMU?
Jamie is a outstanding programmer. We are all in debt of his work, at least in pushing Netscape to "open" his browser. Yes, Netscape did it too late, but did it because of at least jwz. What about current Internet if it was dominated only by Microsoft Internet Explorer ? -- Nbrouard 10:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
No-brainer. It's a one-line stub. Chris Cunningham 13:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
do you, wikipedia community, consider ok to add here another quote attributed to Zawinski: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.78.82.95 ( talk • contribs) 10:46, 10 August 2007
Do add a note that his homepage is a work of art: a hex dump theme. I tried but
(Reverted good faith edits by Jidanni; Perhaps, but we aren't supposed to be passing judgement. using TW) (undo)
Jidanni 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Jeffrey Friedl, author of Mastering Regular Expressions, did some digging on this quote. His finding are located in his blog [1]. Among his commentors was Jamie saying he, indeed, repurposed the quote. Is this relevant? 212.235.15.70 ( talk) 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Is this person notable? Richard Pinch ( talk) 17:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Preserved from its removal:
It may have been inspired by the humorous Law of Software Development and Envelopment at MIT, which was posted on Usenet in 1989 by Greg Kuperberg, who wrote:
Every program in development at MIT expands until it can read mail.
-- Gwern (contribs) 14:31 14 September 2009 (GMT)
Considering the notability of this guy, the article should really have a picture! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.85.169.25 ( talk) 03:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Why does this article not cite the persistent speculation that Zawinski is the actual author of the Dali Clock screensaver? This rumor is legendary in Silicon Valley, so much so that nobody is certain who is really responsible for the software authorship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.241.2 ( talk) 19:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the W stands for? This is important information! 216.240.30.23 ( talk) 21:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
I removed the "chair throwing" claim because it was based on a self-published source, which is contrary to WP:SPS:
Since the claim is itself both controversial and rather unreliable (a quote from the source: "most everything I have to say about jwz is hearsay"), WP:BLP applies. GregorB ( talk) 15:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
'former' was added in 2009 [2], and it is understandable addition, however 'former professional' (professional added here) can be read to mean he is now unprofessional. He is most notable as a software engineer, and he still maintains software, and builds software to run his nightclub, and is still called to comment on software matters. John Vandenberg ( chat) 04:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
the above article redirects to this one, but it is not referred to anywhere in the text. Stub Mandrel ( talk) 09:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
BTW this law is unfunny today: mail client plug-in is cheap, but what is more, nowadays programs can talk to each other via internets with no mails attached :-). Staszek Lem ( talk) 02:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I have restored Jamie's DNA ownership to the lede. This is, in truth, the thing that he is most well-known for in the current decade and honestly the fact that it isn't better sourced or discussed is surprising to me. (I don't think this is bad-faith; I think it's a natural outcome of computer science types writing about computer science types; they're excited about the code, not so much the bartending).
The section should be improved; I'll look for better sources to expand it.-- Jorm ( talk) 23:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I think there should be some information in this article about Jamie's personal beef with Microsoft, as described here: https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html.
2600:1700:37A0:8250:0:0:0:49 ( talk) 13:42, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Nome, Alaska, or Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? This WP page says Pittsburgh; IMDB says Nome. Are there sources for either? Ɛs Huvər ( talk) 03:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)