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The practice of baptism is considered a Christian sacrament of admission and adoption, and a child baptized into the Christian faith is reasonably considered to be of the baptismal denomination until having converted to another religion. James being separated from his mother involuntarily and coerced into Protestantism by opportunistic noblemen hardly validates conversion until his beliefs are affirmed upon achieving his majority, which he did. Thus the child was born, received into the Catholic faith, and later converted to Protestantism. His mother, Mary, Queen of Scots, thought to be a Catholic martyr, and her husband both consented to the baptism. - Conservatrix ( talk) 09:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
For the pas two days, the InfoBox and Succession Box has been jumping back and forth between using Mary I and simply Mary to refer to Mary, Queen of Scots. While I do not have any problem using just Mary to refer to the queen within the article itself, the purpose of the succession section of InfoBoxes and Succession Boxes is to show the succession, and James was preceded by Mary I, not by Mary. There is another Mary in Scotland, Mary II, who reigned from 1689 to 1694. Yes, I am aware that some people may be confused because Mary I of England and Mary, Queen of Scots reigned concurrently, but that problem does not belong in the succession boxes. European monarchs as a whole are not very creative with names and two people reigning in two neighbouring countries who happen to have the same name is not that unusual. Just see the War of the Two Pedros. The succession lists need to use Mary I to refer to Mary I of Scotland since that is her regnal name. What the rest of the article uses to refer to her can be her popular attribution, but the purpose of the succession lists is to show continuity, and that requires the use of ordinals. – Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions) 23:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Reverted at Monarchy of Canada, reverted at infobox at William the Conqueror, reverted at infobox at Mary, Queen of Scots, all within hours. This just isn't my day. GoodDay ( talk) 16:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
IMHO, we should be showing his predecessor's name as Mary I, since there's also a Mary II. -- GoodDay ( talk) 08:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
James I was the first married man to ascend to the throne of England since Richard III 130 years ago. Is this worth a mention somewhere? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 16:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Is there any definitive source for James' height? I have seen him variously described as "short" and of "medium height". Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
The page on British Israelism has this line, "Anglo-Israelism has also been attributed to Francis Drake and James VI and I,[6] who believed he was the King of Israel.[1]"
However, there is no mention of this belief on this page. Could someone look at these sources and then add this information here? Also, since the Authorized Version is so commonly known as the King James Version, there should also be some explanation of his thoughts on this translation. Was it something he wanted? Did it help him in any way? Did it suit a political purpose? That information would belong here.
188.239.0.177 ( talk) 19:59, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
This phrase is ambiguous. Is it supposed to mean "she died without having had any children", or "he assumed the throne without any problems"? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 13:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 18:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
James VI and I →
James I and VI – I suggest the article should be re-named "James I and VI", as the greater title is that of the greater kingdom, namely England Great Britain, by population size, world power, prestige, etc. This is the usual way titles are shown for nobility, i.e., a baron who is created an earl, becomes known by his greater title (earl) first, with lesser titles following.
Lobsterthermidor (
talk) 17:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
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since August 2014. If this form is not wrong then the misspelling tag should be removed. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 19:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)I see an editor changed the birthplace. See [2]. W C M email 18:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 15:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
James VI and I → King James – King James is massively used due to the King James bible and thanks to the fact that both Scotland and England were Kingdoms. At no point in his life James was known as "James VI and I". He was known as James VI from 1567 to 1603 and as James I from 1603 to 1623 (because England had precedence in the styling of his name). Also the name of this article goes against the Wiki policy to avoid double names, since they weren't used historically at the same time. In this case we can go just with King James, like Napoleon or Maria Theresa. For me it's a simple issue to solve honestly. Barjimoa ( talk) 15:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
An IP user, followed by a new account (User:Ghilliethegod) have been adding unsourced text to the article. It's happened three times so far and has been reverted. If it happens again, I'm going to request temporary semiprotection for the page. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 18:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, so ive been reading the King James wiki and i find that in the personal relationships section, it is very misleading and onesided. Most of the information is claiming he was a homosexual, when there is absolutely no legitimate historical evidence to indicate that he was. Here is a link to my sources < https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/james-h.html> (Redacted) Ghilliethegod ( talk) 18:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
This article has Great Britain before 1752, so are these dates Julian, and was New Year's in March? These issues are dealt with in the article about King Charles I of England. Carlm0404 ( talk) 21:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I feel like this section ("Personal relationships") is all over the place, especially with regards to James VI and I's sexuality. It appears (from cited sources) that historians agree he was either homosexual or bisexual; the first sentence ("James's sexuality is a matter of dispute") should be clarified to reflect this (the dispute appears to be whether he is gay vs bi, not straight vs gay/bi). The sentence "James being bisexual is also a possibility" would not be needed later if it was addressed earlier.
His relationships with women are scattered throughout this section in an unconstructive way. "James's wife Anne gave birth to seven live children, as well as suffering two stillbirths and at least three other miscarriages" seems like a really odd fact to put where it is now (and it has nothing to do with his sexuality - historical figures often married and had children regardless of their orientation, and as a king, that would be the expectation). "Live children" is strange wording as well.
"Some biographers of James argue that the relationships were not sexual" cites a 1990s source and no others. It seems this opinion is more of a minority, and the overall feeling of the section kind of feels like it's leaning towards a bias of "explain the gay away" if that makes sense?
The last 3 paragraphs in "Personal relationships" also feels out of place with the rest of the theme here (From "When the earl..." to "the government by 1619").
I recommend a new (sub)header under personal relationships specifically discussing his relationship with the the Duke of Buckingham (since it is the most prominent one), one for his other relationships with men, and one for his relationships with women/his wife/his children. I would be happy to take a shot at restructuring it. Strawberry-Oatmeal ( talk) 06:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
It is incorrect to designate any such king as "King of Scotland". The correct designation si "King of the Scots". Note the distinction between king of the People and king of the Land. As of the Declaration of Arbroath, the Scots, the People of Scotland, were ENTITLED to withdraw their support for any King that betrayed them to the English.
The box for Royal styles of James I, King of England uses the wrong arms. The ones used are the France and England arms /info/en/?search=File:Royal_Arms_of_England_(1399-1603).svg which exclude Scotland.
The correct version for 1603-1707 is here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Royal_Arms_of_England_%281603-1707%29.svg/200px-Royal_Arms_of_England_%281603-1707%29.svg.png
Could someone who knows how please update the article to use the correct arms? Geofpick ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The article says: "Both Mary and Darnley were great great-grandchildren of Henry VII of England", but Mary's article says this: "Mary was born on 8 December 1542 at Linlithgow Palace, Scotland, to King James V and his French second wife, Mary of Guise ... She was the grand-niece of King Henry VIII of England.
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Martinevans123 (
talk) 12:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Please check this and does it help. Mary Queen of Scots Ma. Henry Stuart Pa. Margaret Douglas Paternal Grand Ma. Matthew Stuart Paternal Grand Pa. Mary of Guise Maternal Grand Ma. James V of Scotland Maternal Grand Pa. James IV of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great Grand Pa. Margaret Tudor Maternal and Paternal Great, Grand Ma. James II of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. Henry VII Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskin ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider 'moving' the article title back to James I of England. Yes, I know his Scottish reign was much longer, but he's mainly know for being the English monarch. Indeed, his son, grandsons & granddaughter are titled Charles I of England, Charles II of England, James II of England, William III of England & Mary II of England. GoodDay ( talk) 03:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Was he? I can’t trace that assertion to any sourced text in the body of the article as would be required by WP:LEAD and there’s no specific citation against that sentence. If someone can attribute it to a sourced statement in the article, then that’s fine, otherwise it should be removed. “Prolific” writer - maybe. But describing him as a “talented writer” seems unlikely given that his writings are famously known for their pedantic style and content. DeCausa ( talk) 00:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
he earned no place in the canon of eminent writers(Fischlin, Daniel; Fortier, Mark, eds. (2002), Royal Subjects: Essays on the Writings of James VI and I, Wayne State University Press, ISBN 978-0-8143-2877-4) but
James was prolific in a variety of genres(per Fischlin’s and Fortier’s own essay at p. 39 of that collection). DeCausa ( talk) 21:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
The article says: "Both Mary and Darnley were great great-grandchildren of Henry VII of England", but Mary's article says this: "Mary was born on 8 December 1542 at Linlithgow Palace, Scotland, to King James V and his French second wife, Mary of Guise ... She was the grand-niece of King Henry VIII of England.
?
Martinevans123 (
talk) 12:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Please check this and does it help. Mary Queen of Scots Ma. Henry Stuart Pa. Margaret Douglas Paternal Grand Ma. Matthew Stuart Paternal Grand Pa. Mary of Guise Maternal Grand Ma. James V of Scotland Maternal Grand Pa. James IV of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great Grand Pa. Margaret Tudor Maternal and Paternal Great, Grand Ma. James II of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. Henry VII Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskin ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Was he? I can’t trace that assertion to any sourced text in the body of the article as would be required by WP:LEAD and there’s no specific citation against that sentence. If someone can attribute it to a sourced statement in the article, then that’s fine, otherwise it should be removed. “Prolific” writer - maybe. But describing him as a “talented writer” seems unlikely given that his writings are famously known for their pedantic style and content. DeCausa ( talk) 00:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
he earned no place in the canon of eminent writers(Fischlin, Daniel; Fortier, Mark, eds. (2002), Royal Subjects: Essays on the Writings of James VI and I, Wayne State University Press, ISBN 978-0-8143-2877-4) but
James was prolific in a variety of genres(per Fischlin’s and Fortier’s own essay at p. 39 of that collection). DeCausa ( talk) 21:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
A move request has been created at Talk:James I (disambiguation)#Requested move 3 August 2022 but no notification was posted here by the requester, presumably due to the redirect from James I not being followed. Rosbif73 ( talk) 12:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider 'moving' the article title back to James I of England. Yes, I know his Scottish reign was much longer, but he's mainly know for being the English monarch. Indeed, his son, grandsons & granddaughter are titled Charles I of England, Charles II of England, James II of England, William III of England & Mary II of England. GoodDay ( talk) 03:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
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The practice of baptism is considered a Christian sacrament of admission and adoption, and a child baptized into the Christian faith is reasonably considered to be of the baptismal denomination until having converted to another religion. James being separated from his mother involuntarily and coerced into Protestantism by opportunistic noblemen hardly validates conversion until his beliefs are affirmed upon achieving his majority, which he did. Thus the child was born, received into the Catholic faith, and later converted to Protestantism. His mother, Mary, Queen of Scots, thought to be a Catholic martyr, and her husband both consented to the baptism. - Conservatrix ( talk) 09:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
For the pas two days, the InfoBox and Succession Box has been jumping back and forth between using Mary I and simply Mary to refer to Mary, Queen of Scots. While I do not have any problem using just Mary to refer to the queen within the article itself, the purpose of the succession section of InfoBoxes and Succession Boxes is to show the succession, and James was preceded by Mary I, not by Mary. There is another Mary in Scotland, Mary II, who reigned from 1689 to 1694. Yes, I am aware that some people may be confused because Mary I of England and Mary, Queen of Scots reigned concurrently, but that problem does not belong in the succession boxes. European monarchs as a whole are not very creative with names and two people reigning in two neighbouring countries who happen to have the same name is not that unusual. Just see the War of the Two Pedros. The succession lists need to use Mary I to refer to Mary I of Scotland since that is her regnal name. What the rest of the article uses to refer to her can be her popular attribution, but the purpose of the succession lists is to show continuity, and that requires the use of ordinals. – Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions) 23:53, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Reverted at Monarchy of Canada, reverted at infobox at William the Conqueror, reverted at infobox at Mary, Queen of Scots, all within hours. This just isn't my day. GoodDay ( talk) 16:20, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
IMHO, we should be showing his predecessor's name as Mary I, since there's also a Mary II. -- GoodDay ( talk) 08:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
James I was the first married man to ascend to the throne of England since Richard III 130 years ago. Is this worth a mention somewhere? Robin S. Taylor ( talk) 16:37, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Is there any definitive source for James' height? I have seen him variously described as "short" and of "medium height". Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
The page on British Israelism has this line, "Anglo-Israelism has also been attributed to Francis Drake and James VI and I,[6] who believed he was the King of Israel.[1]"
However, there is no mention of this belief on this page. Could someone look at these sources and then add this information here? Also, since the Authorized Version is so commonly known as the King James Version, there should also be some explanation of his thoughts on this translation. Was it something he wanted? Did it help him in any way? Did it suit a political purpose? That information would belong here.
188.239.0.177 ( talk) 19:59, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
This phrase is ambiguous. Is it supposed to mean "she died without having had any children", or "he assumed the throne without any problems"? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 13:51, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian ( talk) 18:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
James VI and I →
James I and VI – I suggest the article should be re-named "James I and VI", as the greater title is that of the greater kingdom, namely England Great Britain, by population size, world power, prestige, etc. This is the usual way titles are shown for nobility, i.e., a baron who is created an earl, becomes known by his greater title (earl) first, with lesser titles following.
Lobsterthermidor (
talk) 17:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
{{
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since August 2014. If this form is not wrong then the misspelling tag should be removed. –
wbm1058 (
talk) 19:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)I see an editor changed the birthplace. See [2]. W C M email 18:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 15:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
James VI and I → King James – King James is massively used due to the King James bible and thanks to the fact that both Scotland and England were Kingdoms. At no point in his life James was known as "James VI and I". He was known as James VI from 1567 to 1603 and as James I from 1603 to 1623 (because England had precedence in the styling of his name). Also the name of this article goes against the Wiki policy to avoid double names, since they weren't used historically at the same time. In this case we can go just with King James, like Napoleon or Maria Theresa. For me it's a simple issue to solve honestly. Barjimoa ( talk) 15:54, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
An IP user, followed by a new account (User:Ghilliethegod) have been adding unsourced text to the article. It's happened three times so far and has been reverted. If it happens again, I'm going to request temporary semiprotection for the page. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 18:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, so ive been reading the King James wiki and i find that in the personal relationships section, it is very misleading and onesided. Most of the information is claiming he was a homosexual, when there is absolutely no legitimate historical evidence to indicate that he was. Here is a link to my sources < https://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/james-h.html> (Redacted) Ghilliethegod ( talk) 18:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
This article has Great Britain before 1752, so are these dates Julian, and was New Year's in March? These issues are dealt with in the article about King Charles I of England. Carlm0404 ( talk) 21:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I feel like this section ("Personal relationships") is all over the place, especially with regards to James VI and I's sexuality. It appears (from cited sources) that historians agree he was either homosexual or bisexual; the first sentence ("James's sexuality is a matter of dispute") should be clarified to reflect this (the dispute appears to be whether he is gay vs bi, not straight vs gay/bi). The sentence "James being bisexual is also a possibility" would not be needed later if it was addressed earlier.
His relationships with women are scattered throughout this section in an unconstructive way. "James's wife Anne gave birth to seven live children, as well as suffering two stillbirths and at least three other miscarriages" seems like a really odd fact to put where it is now (and it has nothing to do with his sexuality - historical figures often married and had children regardless of their orientation, and as a king, that would be the expectation). "Live children" is strange wording as well.
"Some biographers of James argue that the relationships were not sexual" cites a 1990s source and no others. It seems this opinion is more of a minority, and the overall feeling of the section kind of feels like it's leaning towards a bias of "explain the gay away" if that makes sense?
The last 3 paragraphs in "Personal relationships" also feels out of place with the rest of the theme here (From "When the earl..." to "the government by 1619").
I recommend a new (sub)header under personal relationships specifically discussing his relationship with the the Duke of Buckingham (since it is the most prominent one), one for his other relationships with men, and one for his relationships with women/his wife/his children. I would be happy to take a shot at restructuring it. Strawberry-Oatmeal ( talk) 06:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
It is incorrect to designate any such king as "King of Scotland". The correct designation si "King of the Scots". Note the distinction between king of the People and king of the Land. As of the Declaration of Arbroath, the Scots, the People of Scotland, were ENTITLED to withdraw their support for any King that betrayed them to the English.
The box for Royal styles of James I, King of England uses the wrong arms. The ones used are the France and England arms /info/en/?search=File:Royal_Arms_of_England_(1399-1603).svg which exclude Scotland.
The correct version for 1603-1707 is here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Royal_Arms_of_England_%281603-1707%29.svg/200px-Royal_Arms_of_England_%281603-1707%29.svg.png
Could someone who knows how please update the article to use the correct arms? Geofpick ( talk) 15:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The article says: "Both Mary and Darnley were great great-grandchildren of Henry VII of England", but Mary's article says this: "Mary was born on 8 December 1542 at Linlithgow Palace, Scotland, to King James V and his French second wife, Mary of Guise ... She was the grand-niece of King Henry VIII of England.
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Martinevans123 (
talk) 12:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Please check this and does it help. Mary Queen of Scots Ma. Henry Stuart Pa. Margaret Douglas Paternal Grand Ma. Matthew Stuart Paternal Grand Pa. Mary of Guise Maternal Grand Ma. James V of Scotland Maternal Grand Pa. James IV of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great Grand Pa. Margaret Tudor Maternal and Paternal Great, Grand Ma. James II of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. Henry VII Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskin ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider 'moving' the article title back to James I of England. Yes, I know his Scottish reign was much longer, but he's mainly know for being the English monarch. Indeed, his son, grandsons & granddaughter are titled Charles I of England, Charles II of England, James II of England, William III of England & Mary II of England. GoodDay ( talk) 03:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Was he? I can’t trace that assertion to any sourced text in the body of the article as would be required by WP:LEAD and there’s no specific citation against that sentence. If someone can attribute it to a sourced statement in the article, then that’s fine, otherwise it should be removed. “Prolific” writer - maybe. But describing him as a “talented writer” seems unlikely given that his writings are famously known for their pedantic style and content. DeCausa ( talk) 00:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
he earned no place in the canon of eminent writers(Fischlin, Daniel; Fortier, Mark, eds. (2002), Royal Subjects: Essays on the Writings of James VI and I, Wayne State University Press, ISBN 978-0-8143-2877-4) but
James was prolific in a variety of genres(per Fischlin’s and Fortier’s own essay at p. 39 of that collection). DeCausa ( talk) 21:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
The article says: "Both Mary and Darnley were great great-grandchildren of Henry VII of England", but Mary's article says this: "Mary was born on 8 December 1542 at Linlithgow Palace, Scotland, to King James V and his French second wife, Mary of Guise ... She was the grand-niece of King Henry VIII of England.
?
Martinevans123 (
talk) 12:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Please check this and does it help. Mary Queen of Scots Ma. Henry Stuart Pa. Margaret Douglas Paternal Grand Ma. Matthew Stuart Paternal Grand Pa. Mary of Guise Maternal Grand Ma. James V of Scotland Maternal Grand Pa. James IV of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great Grand Pa. Margaret Tudor Maternal and Paternal Great, Grand Ma. James II of Scotland Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. Henry VII Maternal and Paternal Great, Great Grand Pa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruskin ( talk • contribs) 06:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Was he? I can’t trace that assertion to any sourced text in the body of the article as would be required by WP:LEAD and there’s no specific citation against that sentence. If someone can attribute it to a sourced statement in the article, then that’s fine, otherwise it should be removed. “Prolific” writer - maybe. But describing him as a “talented writer” seems unlikely given that his writings are famously known for their pedantic style and content. DeCausa ( talk) 00:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
he earned no place in the canon of eminent writers(Fischlin, Daniel; Fortier, Mark, eds. (2002), Royal Subjects: Essays on the Writings of James VI and I, Wayne State University Press, ISBN 978-0-8143-2877-4) but
James was prolific in a variety of genres(per Fischlin’s and Fortier’s own essay at p. 39 of that collection). DeCausa ( talk) 21:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
A move request has been created at Talk:James I (disambiguation)#Requested move 3 August 2022 but no notification was posted here by the requester, presumably due to the redirect from James I not being followed. Rosbif73 ( talk) 12:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps we should consider 'moving' the article title back to James I of England. Yes, I know his Scottish reign was much longer, but he's mainly know for being the English monarch. Indeed, his son, grandsons & granddaughter are titled Charles I of England, Charles II of England, James II of England, William III of England & Mary II of England. GoodDay ( talk) 03:27, 5 November 2021 (UTC)