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Who wrote this page? Toback? The commentary to Bugsy is hilarious, Two Girls and a Guy is hilarious. Well I havent heard the commentary but that movie wasn't hilarious and if you look at Rotten Tomatoes you'll find most people will agree. If you're going to call something hilarious then give us a source... 124.190.33.151 ( talk) 13:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)AG McKinty
I've never seen Tobachio listed as his last name. It would seem to suggest he's Italian. Everything I had read suggested Jewish. Anyone?
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I had a friend tell me of the way he lies and abuses young women, because it happened to her friend, and is apparently a pattern of telling young women that he will leave his wife for her. Is there any documentation of this? I wouldn't put it in the article without some evidence that corroborates my friend's word, though. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 21:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Should someone create a page for Toback's behavior, similar to the page on Harvey Weinstein? Those interested in this dimension of Toback (or, truly, in multiple dimensions of Toback) can learn from viewing Nicholas Jarecki's 2005 documentary film The Outsider, subtitled "a film about James Toback." Interviewed in the film, Jim Brown (the current first paragraph of the Career section of WP's Toback article gives context for Brown's relevance...) says of Toback, "He was a womanizer and he was brilliant in his execution. He got women that nobody would ever think you could get. And it was an intellectual seduction, based upon the way he understood the minds of certain females. And he was so bold..... Does he know how to bullshit? Of course, he knows how to bullshit. I mean, that has nothing to do with dishonesty." Canhelp ( talk) 18:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
Who wrote this entry, Toback himself? The article is peppered with subjective (and overwhelmingly positive) commentary.
"The film was photographed in ravishing style by Nouvelle Vague cinematographer Henri Decae and features a magnificent original score by Nouvelle Vague composer Georges Delerue."
"Their collaboration is documented in a hilarious three-person on camera feature in the extended cut DVD of Bugsy."
"In 1997, Toback wrote and directed Two Girls and a Guy, a hilarious classic"
And so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.159.26 ( talk) 09:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
It does seem very subjective and un-encyclopedia like, and should be revised, with more sources. Like use of the word, "hilarious" for example. -- Jim Raynor ( talk) 16:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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The bit about having no fear of recriminations from sexual harassment allegations is made up - he admits having only no fear of death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.218.131 ( talk) 01:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I realize that the subject has been in the news lately over sexual harassment allegations. I realize also that publicity concerning his sexual transgressions goes back to the 1980s. However, considering the length of his career, I am concerned at how they now dominate the article, particularly since, to my knowledge, he has never been prosecuted or even sued over his behavior. Approximately one-third of the article is devoted to the sexual harassment allegations. This strikes me as WP:RECENTISM and a potential WP:UNDUE issue. I am usually very resistant to charges of recentism, as I view that to be over-used. But in this instance, I have serious concerns about the article Thoughts? Coretheapple ( talk) 15:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
While I do agree it is significant and should remain a subsection in the article, having the allegations take up the entire lede is a bit much. Chimino ( talk) 11:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
James Toback is not Jewish. He was asked at least twice and said no. Elirame ( talk) 06:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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I find it funny that the picture of Toback looking slimy is conveniently placed under the "Sexual harassment allegations" heading. Is this a neutral point of view?
– Adamilo ( talk) 16:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
This topic arose on this talk page in late 2017. The James Toback article challenges editors to strike the right balance in writing about a celebrated filmmaker who also is a publicly accused abuser of women. Given that over a 40-year film career, Toback's work has been praised by influential and respected institutions and individuals in the film industry, it was Toback the filmmaker that the article lede heavily emphasized prior to major article edits February 9 and 10, 2023. February's editor elected to rewrite the lede, giving equal or perhaps slightly greater attention to allegations of sexual misconduct. Of course, neither I nor any other editor has the "final say," but I intend over the next several days to try to restore what I think was a more defensible relative weighting of material. I note that in our articles about other alleged abusers prominent in the film industry (e.g. Kevin Spacey, Brett Ratner), we feature their career achievements while not ignoring their alleged misdeeds. Canhelp ( talk) 02:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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Who wrote this page? Toback? The commentary to Bugsy is hilarious, Two Girls and a Guy is hilarious. Well I havent heard the commentary but that movie wasn't hilarious and if you look at Rotten Tomatoes you'll find most people will agree. If you're going to call something hilarious then give us a source... 124.190.33.151 ( talk) 13:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)AG McKinty
I've never seen Tobachio listed as his last name. It would seem to suggest he's Italian. Everything I had read suggested Jewish. Anyone?
Hatting per WP:NOTAFORUM This page is for discussion of improving the article, not general chitchat about the subject. Coretheapple ( talk) 20:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
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I had a friend tell me of the way he lies and abuses young women, because it happened to her friend, and is apparently a pattern of telling young women that he will leave his wife for her. Is there any documentation of this? I wouldn't put it in the article without some evidence that corroborates my friend's word, though. -- Scottandrewhutchins ( talk) 21:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Should someone create a page for Toback's behavior, similar to the page on Harvey Weinstein? Those interested in this dimension of Toback (or, truly, in multiple dimensions of Toback) can learn from viewing Nicholas Jarecki's 2005 documentary film The Outsider, subtitled "a film about James Toback." Interviewed in the film, Jim Brown (the current first paragraph of the Career section of WP's Toback article gives context for Brown's relevance...) says of Toback, "He was a womanizer and he was brilliant in his execution. He got women that nobody would ever think you could get. And it was an intellectual seduction, based upon the way he understood the minds of certain females. And he was so bold..... Does he know how to bullshit? Of course, he knows how to bullshit. I mean, that has nothing to do with dishonesty." Canhelp ( talk) 18:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC) |
Who wrote this entry, Toback himself? The article is peppered with subjective (and overwhelmingly positive) commentary.
"The film was photographed in ravishing style by Nouvelle Vague cinematographer Henri Decae and features a magnificent original score by Nouvelle Vague composer Georges Delerue."
"Their collaboration is documented in a hilarious three-person on camera feature in the extended cut DVD of Bugsy."
"In 1997, Toback wrote and directed Two Girls and a Guy, a hilarious classic"
And so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.159.26 ( talk) 09:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
It does seem very subjective and un-encyclopedia like, and should be revised, with more sources. Like use of the word, "hilarious" for example. -- Jim Raynor ( talk) 16:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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The bit about having no fear of recriminations from sexual harassment allegations is made up - he admits having only no fear of death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.2.218.131 ( talk) 01:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I realize that the subject has been in the news lately over sexual harassment allegations. I realize also that publicity concerning his sexual transgressions goes back to the 1980s. However, considering the length of his career, I am concerned at how they now dominate the article, particularly since, to my knowledge, he has never been prosecuted or even sued over his behavior. Approximately one-third of the article is devoted to the sexual harassment allegations. This strikes me as WP:RECENTISM and a potential WP:UNDUE issue. I am usually very resistant to charges of recentism, as I view that to be over-used. But in this instance, I have serious concerns about the article Thoughts? Coretheapple ( talk) 15:57, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
While I do agree it is significant and should remain a subsection in the article, having the allegations take up the entire lede is a bit much. Chimino ( talk) 11:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
James Toback is not Jewish. He was asked at least twice and said no. Elirame ( talk) 06:22, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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I find it funny that the picture of Toback looking slimy is conveniently placed under the "Sexual harassment allegations" heading. Is this a neutral point of view?
– Adamilo ( talk) 16:50, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
This topic arose on this talk page in late 2017. The James Toback article challenges editors to strike the right balance in writing about a celebrated filmmaker who also is a publicly accused abuser of women. Given that over a 40-year film career, Toback's work has been praised by influential and respected institutions and individuals in the film industry, it was Toback the filmmaker that the article lede heavily emphasized prior to major article edits February 9 and 10, 2023. February's editor elected to rewrite the lede, giving equal or perhaps slightly greater attention to allegations of sexual misconduct. Of course, neither I nor any other editor has the "final say," but I intend over the next several days to try to restore what I think was a more defensible relative weighting of material. I note that in our articles about other alleged abusers prominent in the film industry (e.g. Kevin Spacey, Brett Ratner), we feature their career achievements while not ignoring their alleged misdeeds. Canhelp ( talk) 02:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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