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"However, Naismith coached Forrest "Phog" Allen, who then became the one of winningest coaches in U.S. college basketball history, and his eventual successor."
Can anybody think of an actual word that could be used in place of 'winningest'. Mullet — Preceding undated comment added 12:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
"Winningest" is not a word: File:Winningest.png
PeteVerdon 16:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no need to get into a long discussion as to whether the utterance "winningest" is, is not, or is about to become a word. Articles in the Wikipedia should be written in a reasonably formal tone and by no means could "winningest" be considered formal English. Greenshed 00:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Naismith lived in Holyoke, Massachusetts when he worked as a football coach for Springfield College, and invented Basketball. Holyoke, Massachusetts laudes being the "Home of Volleyball", and some also claim that Naismith invented Basketball at home not at work!!! rmac1954@iwon.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmac1954 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Did Naismith really have an MD? Those letters are after his name, but there's nothing in the bio about him having attended medical school or worked as a physician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.228.97.28 ( talk) 21:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Edited "Coaching Career" to reflect that Dean Smith and Adolph Rupp are not THE two winningest, but two OF the winningest coaches, now that Bobby Knight has overtaken Adolph Rupp's spot for #2. Now Smith and Rupp are #1 and #3, respectively, until Bobby Knight probably breaks Dean's record in a couple weeks. Tentonbricks 01:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I have heard from multiple sources that it is true that Naismith was affiliated with Sigma Phi Epsilon; however, according to this article Naismith graduated from McGill, which does not have a chapter of Sigma Phi Epsilon chapter, nor does any other university in Canada. Does anyone have any input on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.107.70 ( talk) 23:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Could his name somehow be changed so that it doesn't include the middle initial "A"? James Naismith never had a middle name and never signed his name with the "A" initial. The "A" was added by someone in the administration at the University of Kansas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.243.32.181 ( talk) 19:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The sentence "Even Naismith felt that it was appropriate to modify the rules somewhat to account for the delicate nature of women." was changed on account of being POV, and rightly so. However, "Naismith felt that it was appropriate to modify the rules somewhat to account for his perception of women." is a garden path sentence -- it ascribes to Naismith an awareness of his own perception of women, which is not really the point. I took the sentence out altogether -- I think that either the grounds on which one would modify a sport's rules for women are obvious from the historical context, or they should be described in more detail -- bearing in mind that the article is about James Naismith and if opinions are ascribed to him, they should be sourced. Matuszek 19:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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Is this a joke? The word gymnasium is derived from James Naismith's name in honor of him??? C'mon, and his bother, John Arena built the first modern basketball venue? haha! Someone's got an active imagination and is really bored. March 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.82.197 ( talk) 17:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an infobox rather than just a picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.117.220 ( talk) 00:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article completely ignores how, in inventing basketball, James Naismith worked with Luther Gulick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mejari ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the article from scratch and hope to make it an good article. Help and constructive criticism are appreciated. Onomatopoeia ( talk) 22:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Rather than the usual "tick-a-box" approach, I thought I'd do something a tad more informal for the review. First off, this was an excellent article to read - I enjoyed it, learned a lot, and had no difficulties with the prose. This was particularly enjoyable, as many articles have a more stilted style that is harder to read. I was a tad concerned about four issues, though:
Anyway, I'll put it on hold for now. I don't think that all of these issues need to be addressed completely, but I think it is worth discussing some of them before passing the article. Overall, though, I still feel that this article is very good - it says a lot, I think, when you genuinely enjoy reading a biography. - Bilby ( talk) 13:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Onomatopoeia ( talk) 22:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
My teacher is makig us write a report. Any useful info appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirby2845 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
He was born in 1861. "Canada" proper didn't exist until 1867. The official country would be the United " Province of Canada". On top of this, the province of " Ontario" didn't exist at the time of his birth either. The article as it is would be fine if he was born post-confederation, but since he was born six years prior, it would be wrong to fudge the history.
Comments? -- Lvivske ( talk) 07:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Dean Smith could not have been coached directly by Naismith unless he was done so at age 8. Dean Smith was born February 28, 1931. Naismith died November 28, 1939.
Here is the reference to support that assertion: COLLEGE YEARS, 1949-53 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.156.90.37 ( talk) 02:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I notice the reference for this quote is a 2005 news article where the author states this was a quote, but gives no reference. I've read a lot about Naismith and lot of his own quotes through the years, but I've never heard of nor read this one before. Does anyone have the original source? Like when and where he said it and who quoted him as saying it or where this quote was originally published? Kmanblue ( talk) 17:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Interesting news; probably has some good info that could be added to the article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14375344/kansas-researcher-finds-rare-audio-basketball-inventor-james-naismith Gmporr ( talk) 01:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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Are these correct? Born 1861, was graduated from HS in '83 at about 22, and then college in '88 at about age 27?
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Curious that the middle initial - - arguably, of no importance whatsoever - - garnered two sentences, but, there is no mention of the very important fact that the bottom of the original "basket" was CLOSED, thus, forcing the need to have someone on a ladder or perch to get the ball out of the basket! The hole was added, so to speak, a couple of years, later! (ref: https://dunkorthree.com/james-naismith-basketball-history/) Skaizun ( talk) 13:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
please fix description to state. Province of Ontario Canada And what is the Canada West thing. Its central Canada. 184.147.198.43 ( talk) 16:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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"However, Naismith coached Forrest "Phog" Allen, who then became the one of winningest coaches in U.S. college basketball history, and his eventual successor."
Can anybody think of an actual word that could be used in place of 'winningest'. Mullet — Preceding undated comment added 12:57, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
"Winningest" is not a word: File:Winningest.png
PeteVerdon 16:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no need to get into a long discussion as to whether the utterance "winningest" is, is not, or is about to become a word. Articles in the Wikipedia should be written in a reasonably formal tone and by no means could "winningest" be considered formal English. Greenshed 00:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Naismith lived in Holyoke, Massachusetts when he worked as a football coach for Springfield College, and invented Basketball. Holyoke, Massachusetts laudes being the "Home of Volleyball", and some also claim that Naismith invented Basketball at home not at work!!! rmac1954@iwon.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmac1954 ( talk • contribs) 20:51, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Did Naismith really have an MD? Those letters are after his name, but there's nothing in the bio about him having attended medical school or worked as a physician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.228.97.28 ( talk) 21:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Edited "Coaching Career" to reflect that Dean Smith and Adolph Rupp are not THE two winningest, but two OF the winningest coaches, now that Bobby Knight has overtaken Adolph Rupp's spot for #2. Now Smith and Rupp are #1 and #3, respectively, until Bobby Knight probably breaks Dean's record in a couple weeks. Tentonbricks 01:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I have heard from multiple sources that it is true that Naismith was affiliated with Sigma Phi Epsilon; however, according to this article Naismith graduated from McGill, which does not have a chapter of Sigma Phi Epsilon chapter, nor does any other university in Canada. Does anyone have any input on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.107.70 ( talk) 23:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Could his name somehow be changed so that it doesn't include the middle initial "A"? James Naismith never had a middle name and never signed his name with the "A" initial. The "A" was added by someone in the administration at the University of Kansas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.243.32.181 ( talk) 19:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
The sentence "Even Naismith felt that it was appropriate to modify the rules somewhat to account for the delicate nature of women." was changed on account of being POV, and rightly so. However, "Naismith felt that it was appropriate to modify the rules somewhat to account for his perception of women." is a garden path sentence -- it ascribes to Naismith an awareness of his own perception of women, which is not really the point. I took the sentence out altogether -- I think that either the grounds on which one would modify a sport's rules for women are obvious from the historical context, or they should be described in more detail -- bearing in mind that the article is about James Naismith and if opinions are ascribed to him, they should be sourced. Matuszek 19:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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Is this a joke? The word gymnasium is derived from James Naismith's name in honor of him??? C'mon, and his bother, John Arena built the first modern basketball venue? haha! Someone's got an active imagination and is really bored. March 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.82.197 ( talk) 17:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be an infobox rather than just a picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.117.220 ( talk) 00:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article completely ignores how, in inventing basketball, James Naismith worked with Luther Gulick —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mejari ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the article from scratch and hope to make it an good article. Help and constructive criticism are appreciated. Onomatopoeia ( talk) 22:04, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Rather than the usual "tick-a-box" approach, I thought I'd do something a tad more informal for the review. First off, this was an excellent article to read - I enjoyed it, learned a lot, and had no difficulties with the prose. This was particularly enjoyable, as many articles have a more stilted style that is harder to read. I was a tad concerned about four issues, though:
Anyway, I'll put it on hold for now. I don't think that all of these issues need to be addressed completely, but I think it is worth discussing some of them before passing the article. Overall, though, I still feel that this article is very good - it says a lot, I think, when you genuinely enjoy reading a biography. - Bilby ( talk) 13:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Onomatopoeia ( talk) 22:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
My teacher is makig us write a report. Any useful info appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirby2845 ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
He was born in 1861. "Canada" proper didn't exist until 1867. The official country would be the United " Province of Canada". On top of this, the province of " Ontario" didn't exist at the time of his birth either. The article as it is would be fine if he was born post-confederation, but since he was born six years prior, it would be wrong to fudge the history.
Comments? -- Lvivske ( talk) 07:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Dean Smith could not have been coached directly by Naismith unless he was done so at age 8. Dean Smith was born February 28, 1931. Naismith died November 28, 1939.
Here is the reference to support that assertion: COLLEGE YEARS, 1949-53 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.156.90.37 ( talk) 02:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
I notice the reference for this quote is a 2005 news article where the author states this was a quote, but gives no reference. I've read a lot about Naismith and lot of his own quotes through the years, but I've never heard of nor read this one before. Does anyone have the original source? Like when and where he said it and who quoted him as saying it or where this quote was originally published? Kmanblue ( talk) 17:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Interesting news; probably has some good info that could be added to the article: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14375344/kansas-researcher-finds-rare-audio-basketball-inventor-james-naismith Gmporr ( talk) 01:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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Are these correct? Born 1861, was graduated from HS in '83 at about 22, and then college in '88 at about age 27?
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Curious that the middle initial - - arguably, of no importance whatsoever - - garnered two sentences, but, there is no mention of the very important fact that the bottom of the original "basket" was CLOSED, thus, forcing the need to have someone on a ladder or perch to get the ball out of the basket! The hole was added, so to speak, a couple of years, later! (ref: https://dunkorthree.com/james-naismith-basketball-history/) Skaizun ( talk) 13:31, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
please fix description to state. Province of Ontario Canada And what is the Canada West thing. Its central Canada. 184.147.198.43 ( talk) 16:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)