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It is time we get serious about improving JMU's pages. I think we should start a WikiProject devoted to James Madison University. What does everyone think? Kilroy55 00:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Lyrics to songs, even to television theme songs, are often copyrighted. If it can be demonstrated that these lyrics are not, then they should be moved to wikisource. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 08:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it is time we start a JMU template. Started it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:James_Madison_University Kilroy55 00:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Our "Famous Alumni" section seems to be growing at a decent pace, and we probably should address the question of how we ought to order the list. I see two ways of sorting it: By last name, or by graduation year. Both have equal value, and so I'm wondering what the rest of the group thinks... SchuminWeb ( Talk) 03:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Other famous alumni articles are ordered by last name, which I find logical. Rtcpenguin 05:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Phil Vassar never actually graduated from JMU and never recieved a degree. It should probably be noted that eventhough he attended JMU briefly that he did not complete his requirements and dropped out. [2] I also emailed the Media Relations Office and they replied that there was no record of him ever recieving a degree. If it is kept then I would suggest also adding NASCAR Winston Cup series driver Elliot Sadler to the list. He attended JMU for one year. [3] -- Strothra 20:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I think the section is poorly named if we are going to include people who attended but never graduated. I think only alumni should be listed, not notable people who came but failed to graduate. This could be easily remedied by creating one section with a different heading (Notable Former Students and Alumni) or two sections (Notable Alumni and Notable Former Students). -- Kilroy55 11:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is the Music subsection in Athletics? Schumin you put it back after someone deleted it... I think it was deleted because it doesn't fit where it is now...
TRL 17:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Can we talk about the national awards and recognitions given to the Marching Royal Dukes marching band? Most of them can be found here: http://www.jmu.edu/music/mrd/about.html
I agree. If the brass band has a section, the MRD's should have one too!
Schuminweb, please do not censor entries which have been cited. Entering cited articles is not vandalism. In the future, please do the courteous thing and request dispute mediation from other users. Due to concerns over article content I have requested dispute intervention from Wikipedia admins on this issue. Strothra 11:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
True, the article was cited, but the author was clearly not being serious. Rtcpenguin
Perhaps, but that source is cited. Can you prove with a counter-citation(s) that Dr. Rose has, in fact, not done those things? Since the citation is a published media source the burden of proof falls on the individual(s) who denies the claims of the article. Strothra
Yo Schuminweb! I see you are going down the nasty route. Please do not forget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks thanks bro!!
The comments made on the James Madison University entry are cited in a published source. It is now up to you to go through the proper channels to prove the article itself invalid. I am disappointed that you, as the objecting party, are unwilling to prove the article's accusations to be false but would rather resort to such implied personal attacks. The task is a possible one to undertake but the process of debate over source validity is an important part of Wikipedia. I encourage you to undertake the process. Further, to the above poster, please include your ID next time. Strothra
It has been requested that this issue go to mediation. You can find the mediation page here Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-23 James Madison University. I will message all users later on. Cameronian 13:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Undergraduate enrollment source: http://www.jmu.edu/instresrch/notes/Vol19no5.pdf
I can't find a definitive source as to whether the motto is "Knowledge is Liberty" or "All Together One". For now I'm leaving it as is. Rtcpenguin 04:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The motto is "knowledge is liberty" -- come on guys, not that hard to find. http://www.jmu.edu/commencement/Seal.html
I think we need to analyze if alumna are actually famous before listing them in the famous alumni section. I don't think Colin Pine should be in the famous alumni section.( Slate123 05:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
Is it really neccesary to have a profile of the football and basketball teams? The profiles of individual selected teams is not encyclopedic. What is encyclopedic are the notable accomplishments of JMU athletics. Not to mention the fact that by selecting certain teams to profile you are inevitably leaving out others. JMU has more sports teams than that. I propose that the section be updated accordingly unless there are objections. -- Strothra 22:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:
"If you cite college and university rankings, be precise and honest. Claims that an institution "places highly" in rankings are just as vague as claims that it is "prestigious" and "excellent," and are more dishonest in that they seem to cite an authoritative source. Where possible, rankings should be reported as numeric values, with years and sources provided; and as they are such specific facts, they should not occupy an article's lead section."
The numbers are precise, do not delete my section again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.219.88.140 ( talk • contribs)
I deleted it because it is an inappropriate section for such things not to mention that there is a good bit of controversy over that particular study as it has since been shown to be skewed and leaves out many of the major schools in the Mid-west and West Coast. If you would like, then you may create a section for rankings but it will be removed again if you do not include multiple rankings. This article must have some standards. Further, do not presume to tell me what to do in my edits especially since you are both a vandal and not signed in. See WP:Bold. In standardizing this article with articles of most universities, please realize that most university articles do not include rankings. You don't see Princeton posting up their rankings. It cheapens the article which is supposed to be encyclopedic, not an advertisement. -- Strothra 17:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I have to disagree with Strothra about not including the ranking on the basis that the study is flawed or controversial. BusinessWeek has been publishing graduate business school ranking since 1988 while this is the first time they have published undergraduate business school it does not mean that the study is flawed or controversial. I have not read anything that implies that this study is flawed or controversial and Strothra haven't post anything to back his claims. Most universities do include rankings in their wikipedia articles including the current undergraduate BusinessWeek ranking and Princeton University do post their ranking if you read their wikipedia article. I do feel that including the ranking information is inappropriate as a separate section but I feel it is appropriate to include the ranking as a part of the Academics section.( Slate123 17:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC))
Could someone edit the info box so that "Graduate Students" actually shows up when you view the article? I don't know how to do this but it needs to be done. -- Strothra 15:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
This is somewhat pedantic and doesn't belong in this article, but the JMU athletic department persists in describing Dukes fans as "Dukes' Fans" (Dukes-apostrophe-ess fans). [ [4]] Sure, you could argue that the Dukes own the fans, but if "the Beatles' fans" aren't "Beatles' fans" and "the Knicks' fans" aren't "Knicks' fans" (they are not: they are "Beatles fans" and "Knicks fans"), then why are the Dukes' fans called "Dukes' fans"?
The apostrophe implies belonging to in a word that already has an 's' on the end, eg. Those are James' shoes
I think it's time that we converted all our little inline link citations to a formal reference section using <ref> tags. We certainly have enough of them that it would not be wasted. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 08:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the section on the College of Business, as it was lifted directly from here. Please do not re-add it. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 02:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The "JMU and Harrisonburg" section of the article is an embarrassment. You could at least add something that discusses the following:
The Princeton Review's 2006 guide, Best 361 Colleges, in its profile of JMU, quotes students as recognizing the school's "welcoming environment," "friendly and outgoing" student body, "well-ranked academics" and ability to deliver "more fun than you can have anywhere else." JMU faculty are praised for their "willingness to extend learning outside of the classroom" and their "realistic method of teaching to prepare students for real-world job applications." http://www.jmu.edu/news/TheNewsroom/natl_recognitions.shtml It contradicts the "snobby" depictment and does not mention rankings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
"Friendly and outgoing" contradicts "snobby". That is the point. I didn't mean to include each sentence as part of the argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
You're so smart, SchuminWeb, yes you are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
I've done a bit of an overhaul on our article, converting all the references to the <ref> format, adding information about a previous attempt in 2001 to cut the athletic teams, adding a lot more wikilinks, and generally giving the whole article some much-needed attention.
With that done, has anyone given any thought about making this article into a featured article? I think we're well on our way, and it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I will nominate this article for GA status...that should bring us on our way to FA status in the future. Chrisfortier 04:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that a user named Andy Perrine has edited the article. While usernames do not necessarily reflect a "real life" identity, I feel that it may be important to note that a man named Andrew Perrine is Associate Vice President of Communications and Marketing at JMU. -- Takeel 20:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I rated this article at B class because it fulfills the criteria listed Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia/Assessment#Quality_scale. I think that this could easily pass for GA status maybe A class. This article still has a ways to go before it becomes features. It could work on being more comprehensive in some area, especially the Academics section. The administration section is also a bit short. T REX speak 20:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed Bridgeforth Stadium has its own article. Can anyone think of a good place to link to it from this article? There really isn't all that much about the football team so it seems a little strange to add a footnote about the stadium. Rtcpenguin 19:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we open new pages for each college in the academics section featuring those schools' rankings plus major and minor offerings, traditions, notable alumni and faculty, and other unique college features? Then is it possible to summarize the pages in the main page? Chrisfortier 16:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Where does the Title IX segment belong? Does it better fit the James Madison University article, or the James Madison University Dukes article? Currently, the same text is in both locations. I believe that the main chunk of text should go in one or the other, and the other one should be shortened and {{ main}} used to direct people to the other if nothing else. Thoughts? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The section on the school of music is too long. It either needs to be shortened or placed in its own article. Rtcpenguin 14:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I am failing this for a very simple reason: inadequate referencing. Once I got through the history section and didn't see a footnote until the last graf, I knew I would have to do this. If anything in an article should have solid sourcing, it should be the history section. There are other things, like the bit about the campus moving in the campus section, where the absence of a citation is conspicuous.
Also, it's not fatal to a GA nom, but I would consider separating the non-grad alums from the grads in the alumni list (and maybe spinning that one off as a separate article entirely).
Otherwise, this is a broad article that is well-organized and presented. Given an equivalent level of sourcing, I believe this could easily be successfully renominated. Daniel Case 14:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
An anaomous user added some "peer institutions" that were apparently from the Princeton Review. However PR does not list any of those schools as peers and the admission statistics for a few don't match up at all. It should be taken into account that most college pages do not use specific schools to compare themselves academically, simply because its incredibly subjective and not encyclopedic. There is a list of "peer institutions" from the state that can be found here ( Miami University is an official peer institution, the others are not). Stick with published rankings (which they have plenty of) since they can be verified. Bvjrm ( talk) 18:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The information about construction projects on campus is almost a direct copy from an old JMU Press Release. The section needs updated to reflect the actual projects on campus, and those that have been completed.
-- TRL ( talk) 21:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Please add information about the centennial celebrations and events... these are pretty significant in the history of the university. -- TRL ( talk) 21:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Anyone interested in a JMU Wikipedia student organization?SADADS 18:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
"JMU's reputation as a party school also further strains its relation with the community, as student housing surrounding the university has long been a mecca for underaged drinking. Many in the community stereotype the students because of this reputation, leading to further strain between each group"
I won't disagree- there are Harrisonburg residents who are concerned about the relationship between the city and the university, but I can't help but think the above statement is overkill. The first clause, "JMU's reputation as a party school also further strains its relation with the community", seems suitable enough to make the point (despite being grammatically unstable). The second bit, "It has long been a mecca for underage drinking" is inappropriate, however.
Mecca is a city in Saudi Arabia, regarded as the holiest meeting site in Islam, and it is not an accurate literal description of social life around JMU. The use of the word "Mecca" in this context could be offensive regardless of any religious affiliation.
Again, I acknowledge that there is tension between the community and JMU due in part to excessive partying, but still- that entire paragraph is based largely on opinion. I would appreciate knowing specifically what these community stereotypes are, and how they are known.
Hopefully I am doing this right... sorry if this seems like a "personal attack". Never done the Wikipedia thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.234.25 ( talk) 08:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that if you are currently a JMU student and you click "James Madison University" it references this wiki page. However there isn't an image on the facebook page. I have tried making the image in the listbox a gallery image in hopes of facebook recognizing the image. Its puzzling since so many other universities have an image from their wikis on their facebook page such as UCONN and UW Madison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webpage88 ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
That's true, and I understand that a gallery might not work. However the issue is still weird considering other schools have similar pages but also have a wikipedia page with an image. What is different about our page is that the connection isn't being made to Facebook, leading me to think the images aren't tagged or setup correctly. If you look at the UW Madison page it has an image on the wiki page but also suggests the other UW Madison page, while ours is blank. Most people visit the page with the wiki information because it's the link on every JMU student's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webpage88 ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone have any evidence that this university is referred to as "The U" by anyone? An unregistered editor is edit warring to include this in the lead but providing no evidence or justification. ElKevbo ( talk) 23:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
While I agree with what was written, the so-called "Community Relations" section is just unacceptable. I don't see anything about JMU's actual community relations, I read a couple sentences about the city's antipathy towards the university's expansion with the remainder being about the riots. I understand those are upfront and current issues, but they don't deserve the title of "Community Relations". If we are going to really include a section about this topic, we should have edited it to Wikipedia's standards. Straight from Wiki: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view." Considering the stretch of time (over a century) the university has existed, with all of its dealings of students, faculty, administration and alumni with the city and surrounding area through performances, charity, conventions, lectures, forums, among other events, you would think that there would be something positive that could have been written about the subject at hand. There wasn't, and so it remains unfair and disproportionate because the author has failed to represent the majority of students, faculty, administration and alumni that have worked hard over the decades to establish and improve community relations. This section was not authored from a neutral point of view, and must be re-edited, or at the very least must be renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.12.77.53 ( talk) 06:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
The community relations section is dominated by one negative incident. The riot subsection unnecessarily had a timeline of events from the 2010 disturbance, and has been condensed but includes all original citations. Also, the community relations section has been moved under the Athletics section and above Notable Alumni so that all happenings within the university are discussed before the reader moves onto happenings off campus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.4.197.115 ( talk) 15:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
The University's rapid expansion has created tension in the city-university relationship with issues such as growth planning. [2] In 2006, the local ABC affiliate reported that the university had nearly doubled in size in the last 20 years, [3] including purchases of several local properties. [4] [5]
The student body has also occasionally clashed with local police in a popular off-campus block party. In 2000, the party with about 2,500 students grew out of hand and required a police presence at the Forest Hills townhouse complex on Village Lane. [6] Ten years later, police equipped with riot gear used force to disperse a group of 8,000 college-aged individuals at the party. [7] [8] [9] Several participants were airlifted to a Medical Center in Charlottesville to treat their injuries. [10] The university has condemned the behavior of the block party attendees. [11]
That ensures that readers are informed of (a) the university's rapid and continuing expansion that has required coordination with local government and citizens and (b) a regular party largely put on by students off campus that has grown very out of control several times requiring police in riot gear and medivac flights for participants. ElKevbo ( talk) 16:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, My name is Joe Stephens and I am a Marketing Assistant here at the Edith J. Carrier Arboretum. I would like to add a section about the “Edith J. Carrier Arboretum” to this page but since I am a conflict-of-interest, I violate Wikipedia’s policy. With that being said, I was wondering if it would be ok if I could submit a section made up of a couple of paragraphs explaining what the arboretum does, where we are located, and maybe some key features along with our logo to this page. I am currently in the works of a submission so I do not have the final draft ready but I just wanted to run it by first before proceeding to submit the request.
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When I looked at this page I noticed that there were a number of images that did not directly relate to the text in the section that they were imbedded in. For example there was a photo of Varner House but no reference in the text. Rather than just remove them I created an image gallery at the bottom of the page and moved those images there. I believe that some of the other images in the text should be moved to the image gallery alongside some new images. Gusfriend ( talk) 23:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I see that the article currently has a citation from a 2007 JMU webpage saying that it was named Madison College in 1938 after James Madison (POTUS). However, I note that James Madison (bishop) was born in Port Republic, a mere 10 miles from JMU. Might Madison College be named after the latter James Madison or his family? Are there any sources from the time indicating who the college was named after? Daask ( talk) 01:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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It is time we get serious about improving JMU's pages. I think we should start a WikiProject devoted to James Madison University. What does everyone think? Kilroy55 00:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Lyrics to songs, even to television theme songs, are often copyrighted. If it can be demonstrated that these lyrics are not, then they should be moved to wikisource. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 08:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I think it is time we start a JMU template. Started it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:James_Madison_University Kilroy55 00:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Our "Famous Alumni" section seems to be growing at a decent pace, and we probably should address the question of how we ought to order the list. I see two ways of sorting it: By last name, or by graduation year. Both have equal value, and so I'm wondering what the rest of the group thinks... SchuminWeb ( Talk) 03:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Other famous alumni articles are ordered by last name, which I find logical. Rtcpenguin 05:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Phil Vassar never actually graduated from JMU and never recieved a degree. It should probably be noted that eventhough he attended JMU briefly that he did not complete his requirements and dropped out. [2] I also emailed the Media Relations Office and they replied that there was no record of him ever recieving a degree. If it is kept then I would suggest also adding NASCAR Winston Cup series driver Elliot Sadler to the list. He attended JMU for one year. [3] -- Strothra 20:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I think the section is poorly named if we are going to include people who attended but never graduated. I think only alumni should be listed, not notable people who came but failed to graduate. This could be easily remedied by creating one section with a different heading (Notable Former Students and Alumni) or two sections (Notable Alumni and Notable Former Students). -- Kilroy55 11:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Why is the Music subsection in Athletics? Schumin you put it back after someone deleted it... I think it was deleted because it doesn't fit where it is now...
TRL 17:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Can we talk about the national awards and recognitions given to the Marching Royal Dukes marching band? Most of them can be found here: http://www.jmu.edu/music/mrd/about.html
I agree. If the brass band has a section, the MRD's should have one too!
Schuminweb, please do not censor entries which have been cited. Entering cited articles is not vandalism. In the future, please do the courteous thing and request dispute mediation from other users. Due to concerns over article content I have requested dispute intervention from Wikipedia admins on this issue. Strothra 11:23, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
True, the article was cited, but the author was clearly not being serious. Rtcpenguin
Perhaps, but that source is cited. Can you prove with a counter-citation(s) that Dr. Rose has, in fact, not done those things? Since the citation is a published media source the burden of proof falls on the individual(s) who denies the claims of the article. Strothra
Yo Schuminweb! I see you are going down the nasty route. Please do not forget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks thanks bro!!
The comments made on the James Madison University entry are cited in a published source. It is now up to you to go through the proper channels to prove the article itself invalid. I am disappointed that you, as the objecting party, are unwilling to prove the article's accusations to be false but would rather resort to such implied personal attacks. The task is a possible one to undertake but the process of debate over source validity is an important part of Wikipedia. I encourage you to undertake the process. Further, to the above poster, please include your ID next time. Strothra
It has been requested that this issue go to mediation. You can find the mediation page here Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-02-23 James Madison University. I will message all users later on. Cameronian 13:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Undergraduate enrollment source: http://www.jmu.edu/instresrch/notes/Vol19no5.pdf
I can't find a definitive source as to whether the motto is "Knowledge is Liberty" or "All Together One". For now I'm leaving it as is. Rtcpenguin 04:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The motto is "knowledge is liberty" -- come on guys, not that hard to find. http://www.jmu.edu/commencement/Seal.html
I think we need to analyze if alumna are actually famous before listing them in the famous alumni section. I don't think Colin Pine should be in the famous alumni section.( Slate123 05:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC))
Is it really neccesary to have a profile of the football and basketball teams? The profiles of individual selected teams is not encyclopedic. What is encyclopedic are the notable accomplishments of JMU athletics. Not to mention the fact that by selecting certain teams to profile you are inevitably leaving out others. JMU has more sports teams than that. I propose that the section be updated accordingly unless there are objections. -- Strothra 22:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:
"If you cite college and university rankings, be precise and honest. Claims that an institution "places highly" in rankings are just as vague as claims that it is "prestigious" and "excellent," and are more dishonest in that they seem to cite an authoritative source. Where possible, rankings should be reported as numeric values, with years and sources provided; and as they are such specific facts, they should not occupy an article's lead section."
The numbers are precise, do not delete my section again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.219.88.140 ( talk • contribs)
I deleted it because it is an inappropriate section for such things not to mention that there is a good bit of controversy over that particular study as it has since been shown to be skewed and leaves out many of the major schools in the Mid-west and West Coast. If you would like, then you may create a section for rankings but it will be removed again if you do not include multiple rankings. This article must have some standards. Further, do not presume to tell me what to do in my edits especially since you are both a vandal and not signed in. See WP:Bold. In standardizing this article with articles of most universities, please realize that most university articles do not include rankings. You don't see Princeton posting up their rankings. It cheapens the article which is supposed to be encyclopedic, not an advertisement. -- Strothra 17:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I have to disagree with Strothra about not including the ranking on the basis that the study is flawed or controversial. BusinessWeek has been publishing graduate business school ranking since 1988 while this is the first time they have published undergraduate business school it does not mean that the study is flawed or controversial. I have not read anything that implies that this study is flawed or controversial and Strothra haven't post anything to back his claims. Most universities do include rankings in their wikipedia articles including the current undergraduate BusinessWeek ranking and Princeton University do post their ranking if you read their wikipedia article. I do feel that including the ranking information is inappropriate as a separate section but I feel it is appropriate to include the ranking as a part of the Academics section.( Slate123 17:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC))
Could someone edit the info box so that "Graduate Students" actually shows up when you view the article? I don't know how to do this but it needs to be done. -- Strothra 15:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
This is somewhat pedantic and doesn't belong in this article, but the JMU athletic department persists in describing Dukes fans as "Dukes' Fans" (Dukes-apostrophe-ess fans). [ [4]] Sure, you could argue that the Dukes own the fans, but if "the Beatles' fans" aren't "Beatles' fans" and "the Knicks' fans" aren't "Knicks' fans" (they are not: they are "Beatles fans" and "Knicks fans"), then why are the Dukes' fans called "Dukes' fans"?
The apostrophe implies belonging to in a word that already has an 's' on the end, eg. Those are James' shoes
I think it's time that we converted all our little inline link citations to a formal reference section using <ref> tags. We certainly have enough of them that it would not be wasted. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 08:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the section on the College of Business, as it was lifted directly from here. Please do not re-add it. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 02:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The "JMU and Harrisonburg" section of the article is an embarrassment. You could at least add something that discusses the following:
The Princeton Review's 2006 guide, Best 361 Colleges, in its profile of JMU, quotes students as recognizing the school's "welcoming environment," "friendly and outgoing" student body, "well-ranked academics" and ability to deliver "more fun than you can have anywhere else." JMU faculty are praised for their "willingness to extend learning outside of the classroom" and their "realistic method of teaching to prepare students for real-world job applications." http://www.jmu.edu/news/TheNewsroom/natl_recognitions.shtml It contradicts the "snobby" depictment and does not mention rankings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
"Friendly and outgoing" contradicts "snobby". That is the point. I didn't mean to include each sentence as part of the argument. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
You're so smart, SchuminWeb, yes you are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.175.112.177 ( talk • contribs) .
I've done a bit of an overhaul on our article, converting all the references to the <ref> format, adding information about a previous attempt in 2001 to cut the athletic teams, adding a lot more wikilinks, and generally giving the whole article some much-needed attention.
With that done, has anyone given any thought about making this article into a featured article? I think we're well on our way, and it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility. SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I will nominate this article for GA status...that should bring us on our way to FA status in the future. Chrisfortier 04:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that a user named Andy Perrine has edited the article. While usernames do not necessarily reflect a "real life" identity, I feel that it may be important to note that a man named Andrew Perrine is Associate Vice President of Communications and Marketing at JMU. -- Takeel 20:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I rated this article at B class because it fulfills the criteria listed Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia/Assessment#Quality_scale. I think that this could easily pass for GA status maybe A class. This article still has a ways to go before it becomes features. It could work on being more comprehensive in some area, especially the Academics section. The administration section is also a bit short. T REX speak 20:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed Bridgeforth Stadium has its own article. Can anyone think of a good place to link to it from this article? There really isn't all that much about the football team so it seems a little strange to add a footnote about the stadium. Rtcpenguin 19:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Should we open new pages for each college in the academics section featuring those schools' rankings plus major and minor offerings, traditions, notable alumni and faculty, and other unique college features? Then is it possible to summarize the pages in the main page? Chrisfortier 16:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Where does the Title IX segment belong? Does it better fit the James Madison University article, or the James Madison University Dukes article? Currently, the same text is in both locations. I believe that the main chunk of text should go in one or the other, and the other one should be shortened and {{ main}} used to direct people to the other if nothing else. Thoughts? SchuminWeb ( Talk) 06:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The section on the school of music is too long. It either needs to be shortened or placed in its own article. Rtcpenguin 14:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I am failing this for a very simple reason: inadequate referencing. Once I got through the history section and didn't see a footnote until the last graf, I knew I would have to do this. If anything in an article should have solid sourcing, it should be the history section. There are other things, like the bit about the campus moving in the campus section, where the absence of a citation is conspicuous.
Also, it's not fatal to a GA nom, but I would consider separating the non-grad alums from the grads in the alumni list (and maybe spinning that one off as a separate article entirely).
Otherwise, this is a broad article that is well-organized and presented. Given an equivalent level of sourcing, I believe this could easily be successfully renominated. Daniel Case 14:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
An anaomous user added some "peer institutions" that were apparently from the Princeton Review. However PR does not list any of those schools as peers and the admission statistics for a few don't match up at all. It should be taken into account that most college pages do not use specific schools to compare themselves academically, simply because its incredibly subjective and not encyclopedic. There is a list of "peer institutions" from the state that can be found here ( Miami University is an official peer institution, the others are not). Stick with published rankings (which they have plenty of) since they can be verified. Bvjrm ( talk) 18:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The information about construction projects on campus is almost a direct copy from an old JMU Press Release. The section needs updated to reflect the actual projects on campus, and those that have been completed.
-- TRL ( talk) 21:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Please add information about the centennial celebrations and events... these are pretty significant in the history of the university. -- TRL ( talk) 21:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Anyone interested in a JMU Wikipedia student organization?SADADS 18:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
"JMU's reputation as a party school also further strains its relation with the community, as student housing surrounding the university has long been a mecca for underaged drinking. Many in the community stereotype the students because of this reputation, leading to further strain between each group"
I won't disagree- there are Harrisonburg residents who are concerned about the relationship between the city and the university, but I can't help but think the above statement is overkill. The first clause, "JMU's reputation as a party school also further strains its relation with the community", seems suitable enough to make the point (despite being grammatically unstable). The second bit, "It has long been a mecca for underage drinking" is inappropriate, however.
Mecca is a city in Saudi Arabia, regarded as the holiest meeting site in Islam, and it is not an accurate literal description of social life around JMU. The use of the word "Mecca" in this context could be offensive regardless of any religious affiliation.
Again, I acknowledge that there is tension between the community and JMU due in part to excessive partying, but still- that entire paragraph is based largely on opinion. I would appreciate knowing specifically what these community stereotypes are, and how they are known.
Hopefully I am doing this right... sorry if this seems like a "personal attack". Never done the Wikipedia thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.254.234.25 ( talk) 08:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that if you are currently a JMU student and you click "James Madison University" it references this wiki page. However there isn't an image on the facebook page. I have tried making the image in the listbox a gallery image in hopes of facebook recognizing the image. Its puzzling since so many other universities have an image from their wikis on their facebook page such as UCONN and UW Madison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webpage88 ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
That's true, and I understand that a gallery might not work. However the issue is still weird considering other schools have similar pages but also have a wikipedia page with an image. What is different about our page is that the connection isn't being made to Facebook, leading me to think the images aren't tagged or setup correctly. If you look at the UW Madison page it has an image on the wiki page but also suggests the other UW Madison page, while ours is blank. Most people visit the page with the wiki information because it's the link on every JMU student's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webpage88 ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone have any evidence that this university is referred to as "The U" by anyone? An unregistered editor is edit warring to include this in the lead but providing no evidence or justification. ElKevbo ( talk) 23:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
While I agree with what was written, the so-called "Community Relations" section is just unacceptable. I don't see anything about JMU's actual community relations, I read a couple sentences about the city's antipathy towards the university's expansion with the remainder being about the riots. I understand those are upfront and current issues, but they don't deserve the title of "Community Relations". If we are going to really include a section about this topic, we should have edited it to Wikipedia's standards. Straight from Wiki: "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view." Considering the stretch of time (over a century) the university has existed, with all of its dealings of students, faculty, administration and alumni with the city and surrounding area through performances, charity, conventions, lectures, forums, among other events, you would think that there would be something positive that could have been written about the subject at hand. There wasn't, and so it remains unfair and disproportionate because the author has failed to represent the majority of students, faculty, administration and alumni that have worked hard over the decades to establish and improve community relations. This section was not authored from a neutral point of view, and must be re-edited, or at the very least must be renamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.12.77.53 ( talk) 06:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
The community relations section is dominated by one negative incident. The riot subsection unnecessarily had a timeline of events from the 2010 disturbance, and has been condensed but includes all original citations. Also, the community relations section has been moved under the Athletics section and above Notable Alumni so that all happenings within the university are discussed before the reader moves onto happenings off campus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.4.197.115 ( talk) 15:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
The University's rapid expansion has created tension in the city-university relationship with issues such as growth planning. [2] In 2006, the local ABC affiliate reported that the university had nearly doubled in size in the last 20 years, [3] including purchases of several local properties. [4] [5]
The student body has also occasionally clashed with local police in a popular off-campus block party. In 2000, the party with about 2,500 students grew out of hand and required a police presence at the Forest Hills townhouse complex on Village Lane. [6] Ten years later, police equipped with riot gear used force to disperse a group of 8,000 college-aged individuals at the party. [7] [8] [9] Several participants were airlifted to a Medical Center in Charlottesville to treat their injuries. [10] The university has condemned the behavior of the block party attendees. [11]
That ensures that readers are informed of (a) the university's rapid and continuing expansion that has required coordination with local government and citizens and (b) a regular party largely put on by students off campus that has grown very out of control several times requiring police in riot gear and medivac flights for participants. ElKevbo ( talk) 16:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, My name is Joe Stephens and I am a Marketing Assistant here at the Edith J. Carrier Arboretum. I would like to add a section about the “Edith J. Carrier Arboretum” to this page but since I am a conflict-of-interest, I violate Wikipedia’s policy. With that being said, I was wondering if it would be ok if I could submit a section made up of a couple of paragraphs explaining what the arboretum does, where we are located, and maybe some key features along with our logo to this page. I am currently in the works of a submission so I do not have the final draft ready but I just wanted to run it by first before proceeding to submit the request.
Also, what is usually the time frame for a submission to be accepted? A couple of days? A week?
Please let me know whenever you are free.
Thanks! Joe JoeAtEdithJCarrierArboretum ( talk) 20:04, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
When I looked at this page I noticed that there were a number of images that did not directly relate to the text in the section that they were imbedded in. For example there was a photo of Varner House but no reference in the text. Rather than just remove them I created an image gallery at the bottom of the page and moved those images there. I believe that some of the other images in the text should be moved to the image gallery alongside some new images. Gusfriend ( talk) 23:48, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I see that the article currently has a citation from a 2007 JMU webpage saying that it was named Madison College in 1938 after James Madison (POTUS). However, I note that James Madison (bishop) was born in Port Republic, a mere 10 miles from JMU. Might Madison College be named after the latter James Madison or his family? Are there any sources from the time indicating who the college was named after? Daask ( talk) 01:33, 29 March 2022 (UTC)