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De facto or de jure sultan? And how can he be sultan "alongside" Ismael Kiram II? Joint sultans, perhaps?
And what about the status of Sultan Muedzul Lail Tan Kiram? isnt' he supposed to be the legal sultan? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 04:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
It is not our job to adjudicate disputes about whether Jamalul was a legitimate Royal or a pretender, but instead to describe those disputes neutrally. Reliable sources would assist greatly with a balanced summation.
In order to use a "pretender infobox", it would need to be clear that the overwhelming balance of reliable sources describe him as such. BushelCandle ( talk) 13:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
The section titled "Royal duties" is full of nonsense.
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bricology ( talk • contribs) 21:19, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Update on Sabah standoff Oct. 20, 2013
By invictus1819
Sultan Kiram III Dies, Asks Siblings To Pursue Sabah's Repossession From Malaysia
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-932759
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1170481/sultan-sulu-jamalul-kiram-iii-continues-fight-sabah
Rajmaan ( talk) 20:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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This page has so many issues... where to start?
Shhhhwwww!! (
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10:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Cullen328, the problem is that the Malaysian sources tend to violate WP:BLP and WP:Neutrality policies (you know defiunct, self-syled, " air quotes") there is no way for middlegorund. The best solution is to use outside sources such as Al Jazeera, The Guardian ,and the BBC. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 11:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Shhhhwwww!!: To say "Malaysian source are non-neutral" are just showing how ignorant you are. Did you really do a lot of search outside Malaysian media, such as:
Want me to show more?? You just keep identifying "every sources" from Malaysia are false while the sources from the Philippines "are true" although foreigners have seen in fact how your country media always publishing nonsense news which full of lies and bias without doing any deep research before publishing it especially on the historical context. I give one example from the Philippine media of
The Philippine Star on the "
invitation of Malaysia to the MNLF for talks on Sabah, Sarawak". Your country media just said [Malaysia invites] but where the hell is the source did the news get from?? Did your country media ever cite any "official statement, document or audio/video records" from the Malaysian side on the talks, without just depending on one "ignorant fool MNLF representative"??? ..and how could "Sarawak" been involved while the state never been part of the historical
Sultanate of Sulu. Seen how stupid that was?? Or.. you just keep saying that every news published by either The Philippine Star,
Philippine Daily Inquirer,
Manila Bulletin or the
Manila Times are true in every aspects?? I'm also want to note you that the
book source which are "not associated with any Malaysian media" also mentioning the present Sultan of Sulu are "self-proclaimed". Did you want to say that "foreign sources" also
bias???
~ Muffin Wizard
;)
04:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
The article has quite a few "citation needed" tags. Please try to find reliable sources (either from Malaysia or the Philippines or elsewhere) that discuss these unreferenced claims. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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This is the closest thing to recognition ] https://books.google.com/books?id=83BIxG7Ig2cC&pg=PA58&dq=malacang+jamalul+kiram&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio4bzf9PLLAhXotoMKHUkhBkwQuwUIIDAA#v=onepage&q=malacang%20jamalul%20kiram&f=false Where in the World is the Philippines: Debating its National Territory]. No one was designated as Sultan but the government did recognize the Sultanate's continued existence. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 16:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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De facto or de jure sultan? And how can he be sultan "alongside" Ismael Kiram II? Joint sultans, perhaps?
And what about the status of Sultan Muedzul Lail Tan Kiram? isnt' he supposed to be the legal sultan? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 04:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
It is not our job to adjudicate disputes about whether Jamalul was a legitimate Royal or a pretender, but instead to describe those disputes neutrally. Reliable sources would assist greatly with a balanced summation.
In order to use a "pretender infobox", it would need to be clear that the overwhelming balance of reliable sources describe him as such. BushelCandle ( talk) 13:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
The section titled "Royal duties" is full of nonsense.
References
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bricology ( talk • contribs) 21:19, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Update on Sabah standoff Oct. 20, 2013
By invictus1819
Sultan Kiram III Dies, Asks Siblings To Pursue Sabah's Repossession From Malaysia
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-932759
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1170481/sultan-sulu-jamalul-kiram-iii-continues-fight-sabah
Rajmaan ( talk) 20:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This page has so many issues... where to start?
Shhhhwwww!! (
talk)
10:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Cullen328, the problem is that the Malaysian sources tend to violate WP:BLP and WP:Neutrality policies (you know defiunct, self-syled, " air quotes") there is no way for middlegorund. The best solution is to use outside sources such as Al Jazeera, The Guardian ,and the BBC. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 11:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
@ Shhhhwwww!!: To say "Malaysian source are non-neutral" are just showing how ignorant you are. Did you really do a lot of search outside Malaysian media, such as:
Want me to show more?? You just keep identifying "every sources" from Malaysia are false while the sources from the Philippines "are true" although foreigners have seen in fact how your country media always publishing nonsense news which full of lies and bias without doing any deep research before publishing it especially on the historical context. I give one example from the Philippine media of
The Philippine Star on the "
invitation of Malaysia to the MNLF for talks on Sabah, Sarawak". Your country media just said [Malaysia invites] but where the hell is the source did the news get from?? Did your country media ever cite any "official statement, document or audio/video records" from the Malaysian side on the talks, without just depending on one "ignorant fool MNLF representative"??? ..and how could "Sarawak" been involved while the state never been part of the historical
Sultanate of Sulu. Seen how stupid that was?? Or.. you just keep saying that every news published by either The Philippine Star,
Philippine Daily Inquirer,
Manila Bulletin or the
Manila Times are true in every aspects?? I'm also want to note you that the
book source which are "not associated with any Malaysian media" also mentioning the present Sultan of Sulu are "self-proclaimed". Did you want to say that "foreign sources" also
bias???
~ Muffin Wizard
;)
04:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
The article has quite a few "citation needed" tags. Please try to find reliable sources (either from Malaysia or the Philippines or elsewhere) that discuss these unreferenced claims. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
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This is the closest thing to recognition ] https://books.google.com/books?id=83BIxG7Ig2cC&pg=PA58&dq=malacang+jamalul+kiram&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwio4bzf9PLLAhXotoMKHUkhBkwQuwUIIDAA#v=onepage&q=malacang%20jamalul%20kiram&f=false Where in the World is the Philippines: Debating its National Territory]. No one was designated as Sultan but the government did recognize the Sultanate's continued existence. Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 16:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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