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Given the importance of Jamaat-e-Islami to the Pakistani political scene, I feel that this page should be updated and increased in size. Hopefully we can get a section talking about the Jamaat's constitution(we can get it from the Jamaat website). Furthermore, Jamaat is a political party with its fair share of controversies. A criticism section would help make the page more balanced and neutral.
A Jamaati has waged its own brand of 'holy war' against the neutral policies of the WIKIPEDIA...with changing IDs the activist, rather say warier is changing the face of this and relating article…I have gathered information about the user and further investigations are going on…I warn the user and the group to refrain from damaging the articles and let information with it truest face come to the surface for the global community. They are active especially in the Islamic and topics on terrorism etc. You can observe their history and language in some main topics--for example:
I concur. Right now Siddiqui is trying to rewrite the history by removing the well known facts of the Jamaat Islami running militant anti-Ahmadiyya agitations. This has been widely documented in Pakistan and International press but its Jamaatis like Siddiqui who think by taking it out of here they can make everyone forget about these facts. Yahya
"While persisting to his Anti-Pakistan Ideology Maududi writes in one of his books,"If we have ever uttered a single word in the favor of creation of Pakistan, it must be proved with references". That is why Jamat-e-Islami also did not support Muslim League,the only representative of Muslims of India, in core ellection of 1945-46."
The Court of Inquiry report published in 1954 states on its page 243 "A Government which is not based on the Jama’at’s conception, as for instance where it is based on the conception of a nation, is, according to Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi, a Satanic Government, and according to Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi himself kufr, all persons taking part in such Government, whether as administrators or otherwise, or willingly submitting to such system being sinners. The Jama’at was, therefore, professedly opposed to the Muslim League’s conception of Pakistan, and since the establishment of Pakistan, which it described as Na Pakistan, has been opposed to the present system of Government and those who are running it. In none of the writings of the Jama’at produced before us there is to be found the remotest reference in support of the demand for Pakistan, and. on the contrary, these writings which contain several possible hypotheses, are all opposed to the form in which Pakistan came into being and at present exists."
http://www.thepersecution.org/archive/munir/p243.html REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY,constituted under PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953, Published 1954
Maudidi, was not supporting the formation of a Muslim state out of India. This was for the better cause of the Indians. History has shown that he was right. After the formation of Pakistan, there has always been tension between India and Pakistan. Also the condition of Muslims in India is in a woeful plight. And Pakistan has never been an Islamic state. More over some un-educated, ill cultured Muslims in Pakistan have tried to put Islam in a bad light. This is the net result of India and Pakistan seperated.
Had India been not devided the History of India would have been different. The division of India was only supported by Mohammed Ali Jinna's Muslime League (as he felt he couldn't go well with Nehru) and by the extreme right Hindu fundamendalists - the RSS (Rashtriya SwayamSevak Sangh) who killed Mahathma Ghandhi for not supporting a devided India.
That was added to the article by anon contributor 202.154.236.148 ( talk · contribs). Can someone please verify/clarify? -- AI 06:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
"The Jamat is very active in the field of Dawah, Tarbiyah and Tanzeem almost in all the areas of Pakistan." This is the English wikipedia, correct? This sentence has no meaning to an English speaker. Mustaqbal 07:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
[1] mentions a JI branch in Sri Lanka. The question again pops up, is JI an international/regional organization or are the different groups independent bodies? -- Soman 23:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I have removed several unhelpful addition by Yahya01.
Siddiqui 01:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I am sure a Jamaati will find them "unhelpful" as they show the real face of Jaamat as it is. If you find these acts so shameful, perhaps Jammat should not have done them in the first place. Yahya 02:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-Islami’s whole history of terrorism is recorded in Pakistani & International press. Do not try to remove these proven facts. You have been warned. Yahya
I don't think blanking out valid information is part of wiki rules. Who are you trying to kid? Yahya
Please refrain blanking valid content provided by other editors. If you feel some text is inappropriate, please discuss it here, so we can aim for a consensus. Veej 01:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Siddiqui's comments moved here. Veej 02:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC) :
I have protected the article until this edit war can be resolved. - Roy Boy 800 03:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-Islami now BLOCKED because of EDIT WAR
I have posted comment / questions at Talk:Jamaat-e-Islami#User:Siddiqui.27s_edits for you. Are you interested in a discussion? Veej 04:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Discussion ?
I think a stronger quote is worthwhile as to their peaceful advocacy from their web site, perhaps: "When people become frustrated, then, without thinking, they also say that the only remedy for this country is ‘a bloody revolution’. This is a dangerous mood. We must make the people realise, that, that would be inviting a new catastrophe..." Which precedes the quote currently footnoted as number two on the page. Blair71 11:29, 15 August 2007
What do you want to discuss ? Should we discuss Jamaat Islami page ? Should we discuss your daily addition to anti-Muslim propaganda in Wikipedia ? Or should we discuss
2002 Gujarat violence ? Siddiqui 04:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It is not a personal attack. I asked basically to know your motives. Are you motivated by hate or love. Are you interested in peace and justice or just propaganda. That is the basis of my question. If you are motivated by hate of Muslims then we don't have anything to discuss since you have already made up your mind. If you are motivated by peace and justice then you should also add links about violence in Gujarat at all Wikipedia related pages. Do you understand my reasoning. Siddiqui 05:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
If you are ... interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. then may be you can also take some time and have some "intellectual" criticism of "individuals, organisations & concepts" involved in 2002 Gujarat violence. I just want you to judge your own motives. Clearly you are only motivated by anti-Muslim propaganda. Siddiqui 05:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
You said: I am interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. So my question is why Jamaat Islami fits this mold but not 2002 Gujarat violence ? Why are you so much interested in Jamaat Islami ? Your Page says that you like Gujarati food that is why I brought up the issue of 2002 Gujarat violence. But you are avoiding the issue. I am ready and willing to discuss all issue with you including Jamaat Islami. But may be you explain you real motives then we can proceed. Siddiqui 05:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Why are you interested in Jamaat Islami? Why are you not interested in discussing 2002 Gujarat violence? Siddiqui 05:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
You said I spend a lot of time searching the net looking for intellectual critisms. Why do you think that genocide in your Gujarat state does not interest you ? Is that not intellectual ? Why is Jamaat Islami seems very intellectual for your taste ? Your motives are clearly spreading anti-Mulim propaganda. May be you should read each line of 2002 Gujarat violence before you discuss Jamaat Islami with me. Siddiqui 05:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC) You said I know nothing about the Gujarat riots Why is that ? Is Jamaat Islami a sexy babe compared to ugly Gujarat genocide ? This subject is not intellectual for you ? Siddiqui 05:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Clearly, your motives are even clear to yourself. You have never contributed Jamaat Islami page before yesterday and now just want eager to add some propaganda. But you say that you are not interested in genocide in your own state ! You don't know anything about it or care to tell me your thoughts on this subject. Siddiqui 06:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
This organisation as been criticized in mainstream western media such as the BBC. The current version of the article is misleading as it sings the praises of Jamaat without mentioning any of these criticisms. To say Jamaat-e-Islami, Hind does not engage in active politics, but keeps its activities to philanthropy is an appalling misrepresentation of the truth. A fully referenced, fair overall account of Jamaat from a NPOV is desperately needed. Veej 17:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
If such things are true, then they should definitely be put on this page. Please provide an appropriate link, and we can contsruct a pag called "Criticism of Jamaat-e-Islami".
Also, why is this page protected? There are a couple of English errors in the history section. Bless sins 00:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
some links; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2038486.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2038001.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1603178.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1578232.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1577836.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1575304.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/855631.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/854040.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/853725.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/s/w_asia/89158.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4156808.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4693035.stm http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EG03Df07.html http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/bangladesh/terroristoutfits/JMB.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4527852.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4484010.stm http://www.islamicvoice.com/march.99/jamat.htm http://www.hvk.org/articles/1205/72.html http://www.hvk.org/articles/0303/271.html http://www.indiatogether.org/women/articles/veil0802.htm http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/ajaisahni/NATIV2002.htm
These were the links deleted from the page; Asian Tribune - Militancy in Pakistan globalsecurity.org - Jamaat-e-Islami Jamaat-e-Islami takes on Hizb Pak police registers case of sedition against Jamaat-e-Islami leader Pak Jamaat-e-Islami chief released by NWFP govt, but rearrested by Punjab govt Jamaat-e-Islami's Danish Friends Kashmir: Pakistan Explores a Political End-Game Al Qaeda-Pakistani ties deepen Ahmadya Muslim Community: Victims of Fundamentalist JAMAAT-E-ISLAMI, HIZBUL MUJAHIDEEN & AL QAEDA Dancing In The Mine Field Veej 03:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
To be honest I haven’t asserted that Jamaat is a terrorist organization. Though from the reactions above, I can see why you may have thought I had! Actually, I neither believe nor disbelieve any association. I wouldn’t dream of adding any controversial info or allegations without rock solid sources. I’ve only added 2 pieces of information here. Then the edit war started.
I added this link into External Links; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/ji.htm
The page it links to contains no controversial information at all. Though GlobalSecurity.org is a tiny specialist organisation compared to the BBC, it has won plaudits of the mainstream media:
I added this info from Jamaat’s own website (the title was mine though);
Jamaat publishes hardline demands of the Pakistan Government
The text above gives an insight into what Jamaat are about. I’m not trying to make wild allegations about them. I just want to slowly work through the sources adding bits of relevant information to create a fair & honest portrayal of the organization. Sorry about the number of links earlier. I got carried away. Regarding the edit war, the admin that blocked the page suggested I go here, but not a lot seems to be happening with it. Veej 05:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
There are disturbing reports of belligerence from Jamaat-e-Islami though;
Protesters expressed their support for the insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir and called for the free movement of Kashmiri people across the line. The Jamaat-e-Islami leader, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, said Pakistan-administered Kashmir was the base-camp for the jihad or holy war in Indian-administered Kashmir. He said no one in Pakistan had the right to create obstacles in its way. The Jamaat leader accused President Musharraf of giving in to the pressure from the United States and Britain, which he described as nothing short of betrayal. Mr Ahmed said the people of Pakistan were not afraid of another war with India and asked President Musharraf to take a firmer stand in support of the struggle of the Kashmir's Muslims. BBC
They’re hardly aiming for peaceful resolution are they? This seems fairly militant to me. Veej 05:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's start looking into the Jamaat webstie and try to form a section on "JI's 'COnstitution'", or what JI claims to be about.
Also, let's start working on a section called "criticism", where we present the views opposing to JI.
Bless sins 11:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The administrator who protected this article cited an edit war between two people. I think a more productive action would have been to tell the two editors to behave themselves. I do so now in unprotecting. Be good. -- Tony Sidaway 16:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Is that group related or the same as this one, or do they merely have the same name? Шизомби 13:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I just came across that article. The article says almost nothing. Would someone here be able to expand upon it or merge it into this article. Or should it just be deleted? -- JGGardiner 04:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Seconded - there is nothing in this article that gives me any understanding of the subject Tom
This article seems to be heavily influenced by anti-Jamaat rhetoric and POV. For sure Jamaat has something to say to all of these allegations and they need to be heard rather than being dismissed. Just calling someone Jamaati shouldn't be enough to dismiss their arguments. Wikipedia should not be a playground for those who can bully others with name-calling. It almost seems as those accusing others of "extremism" and "closed-mindedness" are unable to accept expression of other views. In addition, this article is badly written, terribly formatted, and uneloquently presented. -- Aslamt 07:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
While it is true that many changes have been made, I still feel that the article is biased. Let me point out some of the things that I have noticed:
The whole article is full of it. I don't know where to begin and where to end. This article is completely un-encyclopedic and needs to either be cleaned up by someone who can balance things out, or otherwise just thrown away. Like I said, in its current form, it selectively presents information to incriminate a political party that otherwise has a well-established history of rational behavior and argumentation, and must therefore have something to say in their defense. It is unequivocally OR and presentation of a certain POV. -- Aslamt 12:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm adding a POV template to this article until these issues can be worked out. I believe this is needed so that the uninitiated reader is not misled by the disputed contents of the article. Some of the issues that I can see:
In light of these gross POV violations, I am adding a POV template to this article. I think it should stay up there until this article can be rewritten as an encyclopedic article rather than a political one. Cefarix ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This source is used in the (currently) fourth paragraph of the article. It seems to be a blog. In addition, it seems to say nothing about terrorism and the quote, "The statements of the Jamaat-e-Islami chief in Pakistan instil in them the spirit of jihad and martyrdom because they are told that India (and also Russia and the US) is an enemy." is made without any other background, i.e. they don't quote the alleged statements or even name the "chief". Generally, I would like to remove the entire paragraph but to avoid an edit war, I would like anyone who supports it to please give us some more background on it. Thanks. Fanra 02:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Is Jamaat-e-Islami and Jamaat-i-Islami the same? I'm assuming they are exactly the same thing, with the difference in spelling merely due to the problem of translating it from Arabic to English. Fanra 02:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
JeI is was part of the ruling coalition in Bangladesh for five years, and it's beginnings were in India. Shouldn't Bangladesh and India have more space on the article about this party spread over quite a few countries? Aditya( talk • contribs) 06:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The following:
"While JI states, "The Muslim woman is accorded full spiritual and intellectual equality with man...", this does not include equality before the law.[3]"
Should be changed. The reference doesn't mention anything with regards to the status of women or men before the law. The statement is misleading, and not properly referenced. Please remove the "this does not include equality before the law." part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasabi salafi koonkati ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
As this is an English wiki page, I'd be interested in an overview of Jamaat-e-Islami's relations with Western nations, such as published doctrines, decrees, policies, or transcribed verbal statements by Jamaat's leaders. Especially regarding the U.S. 71.129.172.91 ( talk) 20:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not seeing anything in the article that supports categorizing Jamaat as third positionist. In heritage and content it seems like an Islamist/traditionalist party, rather than the more secular/revolutionary messaging associated with third positionist parties (e.g. Ba'ath). 73.177.233.86 ( talk) 06:23, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-islamis popularity has grown over the years so the page needs to be updated, with a section on criticism and policies to be added also the article focuses on jamaats political role in pakistan while it is present in many countries. Jamaat also doesnt completely focus on politics and also has other roles. Hafiz naemm has become the new amir this also has to be updated. The reforms and policies tht jamaat prposes to bring should also be added. 141.164.179.128 ( talk) 10:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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Given the importance of Jamaat-e-Islami to the Pakistani political scene, I feel that this page should be updated and increased in size. Hopefully we can get a section talking about the Jamaat's constitution(we can get it from the Jamaat website). Furthermore, Jamaat is a political party with its fair share of controversies. A criticism section would help make the page more balanced and neutral.
A Jamaati has waged its own brand of 'holy war' against the neutral policies of the WIKIPEDIA...with changing IDs the activist, rather say warier is changing the face of this and relating article…I have gathered information about the user and further investigations are going on…I warn the user and the group to refrain from damaging the articles and let information with it truest face come to the surface for the global community. They are active especially in the Islamic and topics on terrorism etc. You can observe their history and language in some main topics--for example:
I concur. Right now Siddiqui is trying to rewrite the history by removing the well known facts of the Jamaat Islami running militant anti-Ahmadiyya agitations. This has been widely documented in Pakistan and International press but its Jamaatis like Siddiqui who think by taking it out of here they can make everyone forget about these facts. Yahya
"While persisting to his Anti-Pakistan Ideology Maududi writes in one of his books,"If we have ever uttered a single word in the favor of creation of Pakistan, it must be proved with references". That is why Jamat-e-Islami also did not support Muslim League,the only representative of Muslims of India, in core ellection of 1945-46."
The Court of Inquiry report published in 1954 states on its page 243 "A Government which is not based on the Jama’at’s conception, as for instance where it is based on the conception of a nation, is, according to Maulana Amin Ahsan Islahi, a Satanic Government, and according to Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi himself kufr, all persons taking part in such Government, whether as administrators or otherwise, or willingly submitting to such system being sinners. The Jama’at was, therefore, professedly opposed to the Muslim League’s conception of Pakistan, and since the establishment of Pakistan, which it described as Na Pakistan, has been opposed to the present system of Government and those who are running it. In none of the writings of the Jama’at produced before us there is to be found the remotest reference in support of the demand for Pakistan, and. on the contrary, these writings which contain several possible hypotheses, are all opposed to the form in which Pakistan came into being and at present exists."
http://www.thepersecution.org/archive/munir/p243.html REPORT of THE COURT OF INQUIRY,constituted under PUNJAB ACT II OF 1954 to enquire into the PUNJAB DISTURBANCES OF 1953, Published 1954
Maudidi, was not supporting the formation of a Muslim state out of India. This was for the better cause of the Indians. History has shown that he was right. After the formation of Pakistan, there has always been tension between India and Pakistan. Also the condition of Muslims in India is in a woeful plight. And Pakistan has never been an Islamic state. More over some un-educated, ill cultured Muslims in Pakistan have tried to put Islam in a bad light. This is the net result of India and Pakistan seperated.
Had India been not devided the History of India would have been different. The division of India was only supported by Mohammed Ali Jinna's Muslime League (as he felt he couldn't go well with Nehru) and by the extreme right Hindu fundamendalists - the RSS (Rashtriya SwayamSevak Sangh) who killed Mahathma Ghandhi for not supporting a devided India.
That was added to the article by anon contributor 202.154.236.148 ( talk · contribs). Can someone please verify/clarify? -- AI 06:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
"The Jamat is very active in the field of Dawah, Tarbiyah and Tanzeem almost in all the areas of Pakistan." This is the English wikipedia, correct? This sentence has no meaning to an English speaker. Mustaqbal 07:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
[1] mentions a JI branch in Sri Lanka. The question again pops up, is JI an international/regional organization or are the different groups independent bodies? -- Soman 23:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I have removed several unhelpful addition by Yahya01.
Siddiqui 01:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
I am sure a Jamaati will find them "unhelpful" as they show the real face of Jaamat as it is. If you find these acts so shameful, perhaps Jammat should not have done them in the first place. Yahya 02:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-Islami’s whole history of terrorism is recorded in Pakistani & International press. Do not try to remove these proven facts. You have been warned. Yahya
I don't think blanking out valid information is part of wiki rules. Who are you trying to kid? Yahya
Please refrain blanking valid content provided by other editors. If you feel some text is inappropriate, please discuss it here, so we can aim for a consensus. Veej 01:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Siddiqui's comments moved here. Veej 02:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC) :
I have protected the article until this edit war can be resolved. - Roy Boy 800 03:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-Islami now BLOCKED because of EDIT WAR
I have posted comment / questions at Talk:Jamaat-e-Islami#User:Siddiqui.27s_edits for you. Are you interested in a discussion? Veej 04:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Discussion ?
I think a stronger quote is worthwhile as to their peaceful advocacy from their web site, perhaps: "When people become frustrated, then, without thinking, they also say that the only remedy for this country is ‘a bloody revolution’. This is a dangerous mood. We must make the people realise, that, that would be inviting a new catastrophe..." Which precedes the quote currently footnoted as number two on the page. Blair71 11:29, 15 August 2007
What do you want to discuss ? Should we discuss Jamaat Islami page ? Should we discuss your daily addition to anti-Muslim propaganda in Wikipedia ? Or should we discuss
2002 Gujarat violence ? Siddiqui 04:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
It is not a personal attack. I asked basically to know your motives. Are you motivated by hate or love. Are you interested in peace and justice or just propaganda. That is the basis of my question. If you are motivated by hate of Muslims then we don't have anything to discuss since you have already made up your mind. If you are motivated by peace and justice then you should also add links about violence in Gujarat at all Wikipedia related pages. Do you understand my reasoning. Siddiqui 05:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
If you are ... interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. then may be you can also take some time and have some "intellectual" criticism of "individuals, organisations & concepts" involved in 2002 Gujarat violence. I just want you to judge your own motives. Clearly you are only motivated by anti-Muslim propaganda. Siddiqui 05:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
You said: I am interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. So my question is why Jamaat Islami fits this mold but not 2002 Gujarat violence ? Why are you so much interested in Jamaat Islami ? Your Page says that you like Gujarati food that is why I brought up the issue of 2002 Gujarat violence. But you are avoiding the issue. I am ready and willing to discuss all issue with you including Jamaat Islami. But may be you explain you real motives then we can proceed. Siddiqui 05:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Why are you interested in Jamaat Islami? Why are you not interested in discussing 2002 Gujarat violence? Siddiqui 05:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
You said I spend a lot of time searching the net looking for intellectual critisms. Why do you think that genocide in your Gujarat state does not interest you ? Is that not intellectual ? Why is Jamaat Islami seems very intellectual for your taste ? Your motives are clearly spreading anti-Mulim propaganda. May be you should read each line of 2002 Gujarat violence before you discuss Jamaat Islami with me. Siddiqui 05:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC) You said I know nothing about the Gujarat riots Why is that ? Is Jamaat Islami a sexy babe compared to ugly Gujarat genocide ? This subject is not intellectual for you ? Siddiqui 05:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Clearly, your motives are even clear to yourself. You have never contributed Jamaat Islami page before yesterday and now just want eager to add some propaganda. But you say that you are not interested in genocide in your own state ! You don't know anything about it or care to tell me your thoughts on this subject. Siddiqui 06:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
This organisation as been criticized in mainstream western media such as the BBC. The current version of the article is misleading as it sings the praises of Jamaat without mentioning any of these criticisms. To say Jamaat-e-Islami, Hind does not engage in active politics, but keeps its activities to philanthropy is an appalling misrepresentation of the truth. A fully referenced, fair overall account of Jamaat from a NPOV is desperately needed. Veej 17:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
If such things are true, then they should definitely be put on this page. Please provide an appropriate link, and we can contsruct a pag called "Criticism of Jamaat-e-Islami".
Also, why is this page protected? There are a couple of English errors in the history section. Bless sins 00:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
some links; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2038486.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2038001.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1603178.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1578232.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1577836.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1575304.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/855631.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/854040.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/853725.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/s/w_asia/89158.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4156808.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4693035.stm http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EG03Df07.html http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/bangladesh/terroristoutfits/JMB.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4527852.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4484010.stm http://www.islamicvoice.com/march.99/jamat.htm http://www.hvk.org/articles/1205/72.html http://www.hvk.org/articles/0303/271.html http://www.indiatogether.org/women/articles/veil0802.htm http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/ajaisahni/NATIV2002.htm
These were the links deleted from the page; Asian Tribune - Militancy in Pakistan globalsecurity.org - Jamaat-e-Islami Jamaat-e-Islami takes on Hizb Pak police registers case of sedition against Jamaat-e-Islami leader Pak Jamaat-e-Islami chief released by NWFP govt, but rearrested by Punjab govt Jamaat-e-Islami's Danish Friends Kashmir: Pakistan Explores a Political End-Game Al Qaeda-Pakistani ties deepen Ahmadya Muslim Community: Victims of Fundamentalist JAMAAT-E-ISLAMI, HIZBUL MUJAHIDEEN & AL QAEDA Dancing In The Mine Field Veej 03:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
To be honest I haven’t asserted that Jamaat is a terrorist organization. Though from the reactions above, I can see why you may have thought I had! Actually, I neither believe nor disbelieve any association. I wouldn’t dream of adding any controversial info or allegations without rock solid sources. I’ve only added 2 pieces of information here. Then the edit war started.
I added this link into External Links; http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/ji.htm
The page it links to contains no controversial information at all. Though GlobalSecurity.org is a tiny specialist organisation compared to the BBC, it has won plaudits of the mainstream media:
I added this info from Jamaat’s own website (the title was mine though);
Jamaat publishes hardline demands of the Pakistan Government
The text above gives an insight into what Jamaat are about. I’m not trying to make wild allegations about them. I just want to slowly work through the sources adding bits of relevant information to create a fair & honest portrayal of the organization. Sorry about the number of links earlier. I got carried away. Regarding the edit war, the admin that blocked the page suggested I go here, but not a lot seems to be happening with it. Veej 05:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
There are disturbing reports of belligerence from Jamaat-e-Islami though;
Protesters expressed their support for the insurgency in Indian-administered Kashmir and called for the free movement of Kashmiri people across the line. The Jamaat-e-Islami leader, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, said Pakistan-administered Kashmir was the base-camp for the jihad or holy war in Indian-administered Kashmir. He said no one in Pakistan had the right to create obstacles in its way. The Jamaat leader accused President Musharraf of giving in to the pressure from the United States and Britain, which he described as nothing short of betrayal. Mr Ahmed said the people of Pakistan were not afraid of another war with India and asked President Musharraf to take a firmer stand in support of the struggle of the Kashmir's Muslims. BBC
They’re hardly aiming for peaceful resolution are they? This seems fairly militant to me. Veej 05:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Let's start looking into the Jamaat webstie and try to form a section on "JI's 'COnstitution'", or what JI claims to be about.
Also, let's start working on a section called "criticism", where we present the views opposing to JI.
Bless sins 11:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The administrator who protected this article cited an edit war between two people. I think a more productive action would have been to tell the two editors to behave themselves. I do so now in unprotecting. Be good. -- Tony Sidaway 16:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Is that group related or the same as this one, or do they merely have the same name? Шизомби 13:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I just came across that article. The article says almost nothing. Would someone here be able to expand upon it or merge it into this article. Or should it just be deleted? -- JGGardiner 04:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Seconded - there is nothing in this article that gives me any understanding of the subject Tom
This article seems to be heavily influenced by anti-Jamaat rhetoric and POV. For sure Jamaat has something to say to all of these allegations and they need to be heard rather than being dismissed. Just calling someone Jamaati shouldn't be enough to dismiss their arguments. Wikipedia should not be a playground for those who can bully others with name-calling. It almost seems as those accusing others of "extremism" and "closed-mindedness" are unable to accept expression of other views. In addition, this article is badly written, terribly formatted, and uneloquently presented. -- Aslamt 07:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
While it is true that many changes have been made, I still feel that the article is biased. Let me point out some of the things that I have noticed:
The whole article is full of it. I don't know where to begin and where to end. This article is completely un-encyclopedic and needs to either be cleaned up by someone who can balance things out, or otherwise just thrown away. Like I said, in its current form, it selectively presents information to incriminate a political party that otherwise has a well-established history of rational behavior and argumentation, and must therefore have something to say in their defense. It is unequivocally OR and presentation of a certain POV. -- Aslamt 12:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm adding a POV template to this article until these issues can be worked out. I believe this is needed so that the uninitiated reader is not misled by the disputed contents of the article. Some of the issues that I can see:
In light of these gross POV violations, I am adding a POV template to this article. I think it should stay up there until this article can be rewritten as an encyclopedic article rather than a political one. Cefarix ( talk) 13:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This source is used in the (currently) fourth paragraph of the article. It seems to be a blog. In addition, it seems to say nothing about terrorism and the quote, "The statements of the Jamaat-e-Islami chief in Pakistan instil in them the spirit of jihad and martyrdom because they are told that India (and also Russia and the US) is an enemy." is made without any other background, i.e. they don't quote the alleged statements or even name the "chief". Generally, I would like to remove the entire paragraph but to avoid an edit war, I would like anyone who supports it to please give us some more background on it. Thanks. Fanra 02:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Is Jamaat-e-Islami and Jamaat-i-Islami the same? I'm assuming they are exactly the same thing, with the difference in spelling merely due to the problem of translating it from Arabic to English. Fanra 02:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
JeI is was part of the ruling coalition in Bangladesh for five years, and it's beginnings were in India. Shouldn't Bangladesh and India have more space on the article about this party spread over quite a few countries? Aditya( talk • contribs) 06:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The following:
"While JI states, "The Muslim woman is accorded full spiritual and intellectual equality with man...", this does not include equality before the law.[3]"
Should be changed. The reference doesn't mention anything with regards to the status of women or men before the law. The statement is misleading, and not properly referenced. Please remove the "this does not include equality before the law." part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasabi salafi koonkati ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
As this is an English wiki page, I'd be interested in an overview of Jamaat-e-Islami's relations with Western nations, such as published doctrines, decrees, policies, or transcribed verbal statements by Jamaat's leaders. Especially regarding the U.S. 71.129.172.91 ( talk) 20:28, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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I'm not seeing anything in the article that supports categorizing Jamaat as third positionist. In heritage and content it seems like an Islamist/traditionalist party, rather than the more secular/revolutionary messaging associated with third positionist parties (e.g. Ba'ath). 73.177.233.86 ( talk) 06:23, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Jamaat-e-islamis popularity has grown over the years so the page needs to be updated, with a section on criticism and policies to be added also the article focuses on jamaats political role in pakistan while it is present in many countries. Jamaat also doesnt completely focus on politics and also has other roles. Hafiz naemm has become the new amir this also has to be updated. The reforms and policies tht jamaat prposes to bring should also be added. 141.164.179.128 ( talk) 10:30, 23 April 2024 (UTC)