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he is listed as ECW Champion except the show will air tonight. This is incorrect he should ony be listed as champion once the show has aired everywhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.66.71 ( talk) 17:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
RAW Dark Match: http://www.wrestleview.com/news2008/1219126575.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 ( talk) 21:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
He is now going by the name "The All-American American" Jake Hager. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.36.191 ( talk) 05:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
and he makes his debut on ECW tonight! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 ( talk) 02:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The Hager–Meister (Tilt–a–whirl slam) is now his signature move. His finisher is called the Blue Thunder Bomb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.38.208 ( talk) 19:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Jack Swagger is listed as the current FCW Florida Heavyweight Champion but is no longer the champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.25.183 ( talk) 21:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
His new entrance music is "Sleep now in the fire" by Rage Against The Machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.249.227 ( talk) 14:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you're a dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.11.245 ( talk) 04:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
My bad, but the dude is an idiot. Everyone assumes that just because a song sounds like a certain artist, it can't possibly be anyone else. The song is called "On Your Knees", and it will be featured on "Voices: WWE The Music Volume 9." You'd know that, though, if you bothered to do any research instead of stating opinions as facts. § —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.11.245 ( talk) 07:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The article still lists the song as being by RATM, despite there being no evidence for this. The "Rage Against the Machine Myspace page" reference links to an RATM tribute band's page that happens to have the song on it, with no indication as to who it's by. 86.158.203.143 ( talk) 21:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Best friends with him growing up....his birthday is March 24th, 1982, not December 3rd. Don't know how to change it one here, just thought I'd give a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.115.99 ( talk) 20:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
He started his wrestling career at Perry Highschool, a school renowned for their great wrestling program which holds the world record for most state championships. Another great historic wrestler graduated from PHS, Danny Hodge. He also wasn't recruited to OU as a 2 sport athlete. He was recruited to other schools for wrestling, such as OSU, but was only recruited to OU for football, then midway through his redshirt freshman year (after a little run in with Stoops after the OU-Texas game for reasons we won't disclose here) he quit football, and changed over to wrestling only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.115.99 ( talk) 20:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it say something about his noticeable lisp. Adam Penale ( talk) 11:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Why would it say something about it? It's not like on Matt Hardy's page it says that he speaks with a slight Southern Accent. -- 71.93.81.135 ( talk) 23:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
eh? a lisp is a speech impediment which is very notable and definately more notable than an accent! It was also made fun of by Christian February 10 episode of ECW on Sci Fi! Adster 95 17:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Ric Flair's lisp is also very noticeable but it isn't in his article either. It's not needed. JWC126 23:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The current is a gut wrench powerbomb pin. It is not what it says the move is. Mr. C.C. ( talk) 22:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The ECW Title isn't a World Heavyweight Championship because on the "3 for all" RAW episode, CM Punk mocked Matt and said he had never won a world heavyweight title even though he had won the ECW Title, and announcers have never said that it is a world heavyweight championship and if they did, it was a mistake, they call the WWE, World and ECW Title the "3 Major Titles." Also to become a Triple Crown Champion, you must win a World Heavyweight title, Intercontinental Title and a tag title and on the Triple Crown article, winning the ECW title doesn't contribute to the Triple Crown; therefore it isn't a World Heavyweight Title (Unlike the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship)- ( RKOLegacy ( talk) 13:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC))
The name of the belt is ECW (Extream Championship Wrestling) Championship no where dose it say "World". In the artical that states World Championships it's not stated as one nor as it been over the years. I tryed adding 2Time world championship to RVDs page about 2 years ago but it was not allowed, we just can't decided it work now but not then. It's not a world title till WWE, or PWI state so 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 16:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I myself have run across a simlure problem and i say it's not a World Championship that's 3-1 looks like it's not a world championship. KCDavis ( talk) 16:35, 15 August 2009 (UT
The link won't open, but anyway that was AFTER jack won the belt 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 16:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Consider this a response to the asinine statements regarding the ECW Championship and World Status.
1) Basing information on opinion, such as an opinion on how WWE "treats" the ECW Championship constitutes original research, and seeing as how many bring up WWE's stance on the status of belt, let this be made clear... The ECW Championship is a world championship acknowledged by every current professional wrestling promotion (as even noted by TNA... Yes TNA). Yes, WWE considers it a world championship.
take at look at Matt Hardy's bio page on WWE.com and scroll down to the very bottom.
The page reads - "Apart from his sibling, Matt has achieved success in solo ranks as well, including United States, Hardcore, European and Cruiserweight Championship reigns. The greatest achievement, however, came in 2008 when Matt triumphed in a Championship Scramble Match to capture the ECW Title; his first taste of World Championship gold." - thus, affirming WWE's recognition of the ECW Championship as a world title.
Also note this results page from WWE Backlash 09 after Christian won the ECW Championship.
The page reads - "Christian’s first World Title comes after a journey that expands well beyond his two months in the Land of the Extreme." - Christian Cage's accomplishments in TNA aside, this AGAIN confirms that the WWE considers the championship to be a world title.
So the argument about how WWE doesn't consider the championship to be a World Title is not valid. As far as the "Not recognized by WWE" argument is concerned, WWE does indeed recognize the ECW Championship to be a world title.
2) As for the "name" of the championship or the "words" etched on the physical belt having any effect on the status of the title... A championship's name doesn't necessarily reflect the "status" of the title. The WWE Championship hasn't been referred to with the word "World" in its name since the early 1990s and the physical belt hasn't had the word "World" etched on its design since the winged-eagle belt, last used by Steve Austin the night he won the title at WrestleMania XIV. If you look at the article of the WWE Championship, you can see that the title has gone through multiple name changes throughout its history, with its name getting shorter each time.
The ECW Championship when it was recommissioned for the ECW brand in 2006 was referred to as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship, and as time passed, the name continued to change, getting shorter each time. It began to be called the ECW World Championship and finally simply just the ECW Championship for short.
If you remember when the WCW World Heavyweight Championship was used in the WWF, it was only referred to simply as the WCW Championship. See a pattern? Did these change of names mean anything? No, plain and simple.
So even the naming of a championship doesn't necessarily reflect the status of a title.
3) World status is ultimately granted to a championship by the company or organization that owns it. Read over some of the boxing articles and the various organizations such as the World Boxing Association, World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Organization. Those in control of the WBC, IBF and WBO were simply of the mind that if the WBA had "world" champions, then so could they and that's exactly how it went. It's the exact same in professional wrestling. Just as various wrestling companies have done, those boxing organizations simply bestowed world status to titles under their control. The status can't be stripped away by any magazine or publication. No other governing body can come along and tell them "no, you can't call your title a world championship". There is no universal decision which grants world status to any championship, no matter which sport it is. How often have the winners of the World Series been called world champions? But are they really world champions? They didn't beat every other team from every other country that plays baseball, so how are they world champions? It's all ultimately about the stance of the organization, plain and simple. WWE has theirs, TNA, the NWA, the WBA, MLB and so on and so forth.
So in conclusion, the ECW Championship has been and still is a World title.-- Unquestionable Truth-- 17:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Bullet makes the best argument possible, and for a more thorough discussion please go to WT:PW, where there is a centralized discussion regarding the term-World Heavyweight Championship.-- Truco 503 18:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
In reference to Swagger's listing as World Champion, Punk has yet to give legitimacy to his ECW title run, saying he is looking to become a 4-time World Champ on the last Smackdown, even though the ECW reign would be four.
Now I do understand your argument, but you are leaving one fatal flaw: If you declare a top title of a company to be a world title, then shouldn't Swagger be a two-time world champ, as he won the FCW heavyweight belt.
Maybe you could clarify how ECW's time as a brand (2006-10) is receiving legitimacy on wikipedia, despite so many contesting it and multiple citings of show dialogue going against it, but you do not recognize FCW's. ( Seantherebel ( talk) 09:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)seantherebel Seantherebel ( talk) 09:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC))
How about this? In the article for Swagger's MITB victory at WM 26 ( "Can't stagger Swagger".), the first sentence of the final paragraph says, and I quote: "Now the two-time collegiate All-American has a golden opportunity to become a first-time World Champion." PCE ( talk) 02:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
As extremely obvious as it is for anyone with internet access, somebody should remove the spoilers on the page. I'd do it but I don't want to totally find out what happens. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 05:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It's one thing to post the plots of movies and television shows that reveal plot twists and the like. Reading those articles may spoil the film, book, etc. for the reader, but since that particular movie or show has been released, it's the reader's own fault for reading the article. You read articles like that at your own risk. But in this case, this is an event that hasn't technically happened yet as far as the WWE is concerned. The only people that have seen this are the people that happened to be there. For the rest of us, this is an event that hasn't happened yet, so reporting on it is sure to spoil it for the vast majority of fans who have no wish to know what happened until it actually airs.
Not to mention, oftentimes things that happen at the tapings are edited and/or not aired. Obviously, something as big as this will probably be shown as it happened, but in ALL cases, WWE events are not official until they are shown on TV. If they wanted to for some reason, they reserve the right to not even air this particular segment and keep the title on Jericho. Bottom line, while this is probably a very significant event that occurred at this week's Smackdown taping, it is not official until it airs on television, and reporting on it prior to that is irresponsible. -tazz20200
I have read that, but in this case, it doesn't matter. In the WWE, events are not official until they are aired. Chris Jericho is still the recognized World Heavyweight Champion. This is not the same as posting the plot of a movie that's been released, where we know for sure what happens in the film, and where there is also a "plot" or "ending" subtitle in the article, so readers can avoid that information if they so choose. Here, you are posting spoiling information in the first sentence of the article, based on something that has not yet happened as far as WWE and its history is concerned, and something that 99.9% of WWE fans have not seen because it hasn't aired yet. This spoils the experience for them, both the wrestling viewing experience and the Wikipedia experience. If Smackdown for this week had already aired, and a 10-year old fan who hadn't seen this week's show yet comes to Swagger's page to read about his favorite wrestler, then that young fan just learned a hard lesson about the availability of information on the internet. But if that same kid comes here today, before the show has even aired, then you've just ruined the whole experience for them by telling them something they would have found out for themselves in two days. -tazz20200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazz20200 ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it is plastered all over the internet, on wrestling message boards and dirt sheets, where those kind of spoiler reports are expected. People read them at their own risk. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia of things that have happened, and despite your understanding of the wrestling business, it is NOT official just because it has taken place. Smackdown is like any other television show that is taped and not aired live. WWE reserves the right to edit, present, and produce the show as they see fit, and nothing that happened is considered WWE history or canon until it is officially aired on television, so reporting Jack Swagger as the World Heavyweight Champion is both incorrect and irresponsible. -tazz20200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazz20200 ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
How about you look at it this way. Remember back in the late 80s, early 90s (can't quite remember when) when The Rockers beat the Hart Foundation for the tag titles in a 2 out of 3 falls match that was taped for an episode of Wrestling Challenge and the top rope broke during one of the falls. They were awarded the belts in the arena but the match never aired and The Rockers were never officially recognised as the tag champions. Surely a similar rule applies here. Until it's aired on TV it's not official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.22.23 ( talk) 22:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Not to long ago, an IP was banned for continuously spoiling Petey Williams X Division title win. Unless the rules have changed since then, the same should apply here. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 03:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I did some edits last night because I didn't feel this week's SmackDown should've been spoiled. However, I now declare this out of my hands. Have fun fighting, kiddies. 72.92.211.113 ( talk) 05:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
and Chris Jericho's and the World heaveyweight championships pages till Friday. It is getting out of hand with the spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.176.14 ( talk) 09:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is it listed that Jack is in Smackdown if there was no draft, yeah he got the title but shouldn't that mean he brought it to RAW? and plus there is not a good source that lists him on the Smackdown roster-- FHJoker ( talk) 08:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Itching suspicion that Jack Swagger chose to be on Smackdown instead of RAW. rather than staying on RAW and defending the World Heavyweight Title on Smackdown. And at this time he is on the Smackdown Roster Thewi2kbug ( talk) 04:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I just came from wwe.com, his profile page was moved to the SmackDown section. His picture still appears on the RAW page, but if you click it, you get one of those "This page has either been moved or no longer exists" type messages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.211.113 ( talk) 05:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
It makes no sense. Isn't the use of protecting it to avoid them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.176.14 ( talk) 10:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
WP:SPOIL. I really don't understand why you are unable to read. Also, the majority of users support the addition of the information. So please don't pull false statements out of your ass. And for the last time, WP:SPOIL. – Turian (talk) 22:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Not sure where this info is coming from, but Swagger hasn't won the world title.
Moreover, the date listed is the 29th, a Tuesday. Unless Swagger cashed in the Money in the Bank during NXT (which he did not, as I watched it), he is not champ. I don't see any credited sources, and WWE.com has Jericho listed as the champ.
I tried to edit this but the page is locked. Can somebody unlock this, and make that change? 198.135.242.14 ( talk) 15:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
he cashed after five days of winning the money in the pank ladder match and he defeated chris put he tried after one day of winning the money in the pank ladder match to cash with john cena but when cena got up he changed hid mined ( so there in a mistake in the article )
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never mind i cant believe its not them i also cant believe there is a band called age against the machines 72.40.6.7 ( talk) 19:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
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There is definitely an error in the weight mentioned. It says his real weight is 260 lbs and 120 kg. It says his billed weight is 263 lbs and 119 kg. How can a larger value in lbs be a smaller value in kg? Meaning that 263 lbs should be more than 120 kg and it shouldn't be 119 kg if 119 kg is 260 lbs Mayankeagle ( talk) 17:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
While I agree that the gimmick has been overplayed, there is precisely next to nothing about it in the actual article. 50.16.107.91 ( talk) 00:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
if hes not champ anymore, why is there a pic of him with the belt? -- Gokudbzgohan ( talk) 23:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Is Jack Swagger really Italian American? He is listed as one at Wikipedia's List of Italian American entertainers under Professional_wrestlers [1] but I have seen no reference to Swagger being part Italian on his wiki page. 5.69.99.241 ( talk) 20:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think that Jack Swagger is a white American (WASP) not of German or Italian descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.200.8.235 ( talk) 13:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Jack Swagger → Jake Hager – I'm confident that this is his common name by now. For the past year, he has clearly established himself under his real name via his MMA career and especially AEW. Almost all of the recent headlines on him from the past 6 months refer to him as Jake Hager, and they rarely ever call him "Jack Swagger" in articles unless they're mentioning his time in WWE. Sekyaw (talk) 04:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidh e 23:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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he is listed as ECW Champion except the show will air tonight. This is incorrect he should ony be listed as champion once the show has aired everywhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.66.71 ( talk) 17:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
RAW Dark Match: http://www.wrestleview.com/news2008/1219126575.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 ( talk) 21:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
He is now going by the name "The All-American American" Jake Hager. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.36.191 ( talk) 05:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
and he makes his debut on ECW tonight! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 ( talk) 02:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
The Hager–Meister (Tilt–a–whirl slam) is now his signature move. His finisher is called the Blue Thunder Bomb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.38.208 ( talk) 19:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Jack Swagger is listed as the current FCW Florida Heavyweight Champion but is no longer the champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.25.183 ( talk) 21:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
His new entrance music is "Sleep now in the fire" by Rage Against The Machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.249.227 ( talk) 14:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Wow, you're a dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.11.245 ( talk) 04:05, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
My bad, but the dude is an idiot. Everyone assumes that just because a song sounds like a certain artist, it can't possibly be anyone else. The song is called "On Your Knees", and it will be featured on "Voices: WWE The Music Volume 9." You'd know that, though, if you bothered to do any research instead of stating opinions as facts. § —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.23.11.245 ( talk) 07:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
The article still lists the song as being by RATM, despite there being no evidence for this. The "Rage Against the Machine Myspace page" reference links to an RATM tribute band's page that happens to have the song on it, with no indication as to who it's by. 86.158.203.143 ( talk) 21:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Best friends with him growing up....his birthday is March 24th, 1982, not December 3rd. Don't know how to change it one here, just thought I'd give a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.115.99 ( talk) 20:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
He started his wrestling career at Perry Highschool, a school renowned for their great wrestling program which holds the world record for most state championships. Another great historic wrestler graduated from PHS, Danny Hodge. He also wasn't recruited to OU as a 2 sport athlete. He was recruited to other schools for wrestling, such as OSU, but was only recruited to OU for football, then midway through his redshirt freshman year (after a little run in with Stoops after the OU-Texas game for reasons we won't disclose here) he quit football, and changed over to wrestling only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.115.99 ( talk) 20:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't it say something about his noticeable lisp. Adam Penale ( talk) 11:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Why would it say something about it? It's not like on Matt Hardy's page it says that he speaks with a slight Southern Accent. -- 71.93.81.135 ( talk) 23:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
eh? a lisp is a speech impediment which is very notable and definately more notable than an accent! It was also made fun of by Christian February 10 episode of ECW on Sci Fi! Adster 95 17:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Ric Flair's lisp is also very noticeable but it isn't in his article either. It's not needed. JWC126 23:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The current is a gut wrench powerbomb pin. It is not what it says the move is. Mr. C.C. ( talk) 22:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
The ECW Title isn't a World Heavyweight Championship because on the "3 for all" RAW episode, CM Punk mocked Matt and said he had never won a world heavyweight title even though he had won the ECW Title, and announcers have never said that it is a world heavyweight championship and if they did, it was a mistake, they call the WWE, World and ECW Title the "3 Major Titles." Also to become a Triple Crown Champion, you must win a World Heavyweight title, Intercontinental Title and a tag title and on the Triple Crown article, winning the ECW title doesn't contribute to the Triple Crown; therefore it isn't a World Heavyweight Title (Unlike the WWE Championship and World Heavyweight Championship)- ( RKOLegacy ( talk) 13:25, 30 June 2009 (UTC))
The name of the belt is ECW (Extream Championship Wrestling) Championship no where dose it say "World". In the artical that states World Championships it's not stated as one nor as it been over the years. I tryed adding 2Time world championship to RVDs page about 2 years ago but it was not allowed, we just can't decided it work now but not then. It's not a world title till WWE, or PWI state so 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 16:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I myself have run across a simlure problem and i say it's not a World Championship that's 3-1 looks like it's not a world championship. KCDavis ( talk) 16:35, 15 August 2009 (UT
The link won't open, but anyway that was AFTER jack won the belt 82.21.192.131 ( talk) 16:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Consider this a response to the asinine statements regarding the ECW Championship and World Status.
1) Basing information on opinion, such as an opinion on how WWE "treats" the ECW Championship constitutes original research, and seeing as how many bring up WWE's stance on the status of belt, let this be made clear... The ECW Championship is a world championship acknowledged by every current professional wrestling promotion (as even noted by TNA... Yes TNA). Yes, WWE considers it a world championship.
take at look at Matt Hardy's bio page on WWE.com and scroll down to the very bottom.
The page reads - "Apart from his sibling, Matt has achieved success in solo ranks as well, including United States, Hardcore, European and Cruiserweight Championship reigns. The greatest achievement, however, came in 2008 when Matt triumphed in a Championship Scramble Match to capture the ECW Title; his first taste of World Championship gold." - thus, affirming WWE's recognition of the ECW Championship as a world title.
Also note this results page from WWE Backlash 09 after Christian won the ECW Championship.
The page reads - "Christian’s first World Title comes after a journey that expands well beyond his two months in the Land of the Extreme." - Christian Cage's accomplishments in TNA aside, this AGAIN confirms that the WWE considers the championship to be a world title.
So the argument about how WWE doesn't consider the championship to be a World Title is not valid. As far as the "Not recognized by WWE" argument is concerned, WWE does indeed recognize the ECW Championship to be a world title.
2) As for the "name" of the championship or the "words" etched on the physical belt having any effect on the status of the title... A championship's name doesn't necessarily reflect the "status" of the title. The WWE Championship hasn't been referred to with the word "World" in its name since the early 1990s and the physical belt hasn't had the word "World" etched on its design since the winged-eagle belt, last used by Steve Austin the night he won the title at WrestleMania XIV. If you look at the article of the WWE Championship, you can see that the title has gone through multiple name changes throughout its history, with its name getting shorter each time.
The ECW Championship when it was recommissioned for the ECW brand in 2006 was referred to as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship, and as time passed, the name continued to change, getting shorter each time. It began to be called the ECW World Championship and finally simply just the ECW Championship for short.
If you remember when the WCW World Heavyweight Championship was used in the WWF, it was only referred to simply as the WCW Championship. See a pattern? Did these change of names mean anything? No, plain and simple.
So even the naming of a championship doesn't necessarily reflect the status of a title.
3) World status is ultimately granted to a championship by the company or organization that owns it. Read over some of the boxing articles and the various organizations such as the World Boxing Association, World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Organization. Those in control of the WBC, IBF and WBO were simply of the mind that if the WBA had "world" champions, then so could they and that's exactly how it went. It's the exact same in professional wrestling. Just as various wrestling companies have done, those boxing organizations simply bestowed world status to titles under their control. The status can't be stripped away by any magazine or publication. No other governing body can come along and tell them "no, you can't call your title a world championship". There is no universal decision which grants world status to any championship, no matter which sport it is. How often have the winners of the World Series been called world champions? But are they really world champions? They didn't beat every other team from every other country that plays baseball, so how are they world champions? It's all ultimately about the stance of the organization, plain and simple. WWE has theirs, TNA, the NWA, the WBA, MLB and so on and so forth.
So in conclusion, the ECW Championship has been and still is a World title.-- Unquestionable Truth-- 17:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Bullet makes the best argument possible, and for a more thorough discussion please go to WT:PW, where there is a centralized discussion regarding the term-World Heavyweight Championship.-- Truco 503 18:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
In reference to Swagger's listing as World Champion, Punk has yet to give legitimacy to his ECW title run, saying he is looking to become a 4-time World Champ on the last Smackdown, even though the ECW reign would be four.
Now I do understand your argument, but you are leaving one fatal flaw: If you declare a top title of a company to be a world title, then shouldn't Swagger be a two-time world champ, as he won the FCW heavyweight belt.
Maybe you could clarify how ECW's time as a brand (2006-10) is receiving legitimacy on wikipedia, despite so many contesting it and multiple citings of show dialogue going against it, but you do not recognize FCW's. ( Seantherebel ( talk) 09:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC)seantherebel Seantherebel ( talk) 09:33, 6 February 2010 (UTC))
How about this? In the article for Swagger's MITB victory at WM 26 ( "Can't stagger Swagger".), the first sentence of the final paragraph says, and I quote: "Now the two-time collegiate All-American has a golden opportunity to become a first-time World Champion." PCE ( talk) 02:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
As extremely obvious as it is for anyone with internet access, somebody should remove the spoilers on the page. I'd do it but I don't want to totally find out what happens. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 05:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
It's one thing to post the plots of movies and television shows that reveal plot twists and the like. Reading those articles may spoil the film, book, etc. for the reader, but since that particular movie or show has been released, it's the reader's own fault for reading the article. You read articles like that at your own risk. But in this case, this is an event that hasn't technically happened yet as far as the WWE is concerned. The only people that have seen this are the people that happened to be there. For the rest of us, this is an event that hasn't happened yet, so reporting on it is sure to spoil it for the vast majority of fans who have no wish to know what happened until it actually airs.
Not to mention, oftentimes things that happen at the tapings are edited and/or not aired. Obviously, something as big as this will probably be shown as it happened, but in ALL cases, WWE events are not official until they are shown on TV. If they wanted to for some reason, they reserve the right to not even air this particular segment and keep the title on Jericho. Bottom line, while this is probably a very significant event that occurred at this week's Smackdown taping, it is not official until it airs on television, and reporting on it prior to that is irresponsible. -tazz20200
I have read that, but in this case, it doesn't matter. In the WWE, events are not official until they are aired. Chris Jericho is still the recognized World Heavyweight Champion. This is not the same as posting the plot of a movie that's been released, where we know for sure what happens in the film, and where there is also a "plot" or "ending" subtitle in the article, so readers can avoid that information if they so choose. Here, you are posting spoiling information in the first sentence of the article, based on something that has not yet happened as far as WWE and its history is concerned, and something that 99.9% of WWE fans have not seen because it hasn't aired yet. This spoils the experience for them, both the wrestling viewing experience and the Wikipedia experience. If Smackdown for this week had already aired, and a 10-year old fan who hadn't seen this week's show yet comes to Swagger's page to read about his favorite wrestler, then that young fan just learned a hard lesson about the availability of information on the internet. But if that same kid comes here today, before the show has even aired, then you've just ruined the whole experience for them by telling them something they would have found out for themselves in two days. -tazz20200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazz20200 ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it is plastered all over the internet, on wrestling message boards and dirt sheets, where those kind of spoiler reports are expected. People read them at their own risk. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia of things that have happened, and despite your understanding of the wrestling business, it is NOT official just because it has taken place. Smackdown is like any other television show that is taped and not aired live. WWE reserves the right to edit, present, and produce the show as they see fit, and nothing that happened is considered WWE history or canon until it is officially aired on television, so reporting Jack Swagger as the World Heavyweight Champion is both incorrect and irresponsible. -tazz20200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tazz20200 ( talk • contribs) 16:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
How about you look at it this way. Remember back in the late 80s, early 90s (can't quite remember when) when The Rockers beat the Hart Foundation for the tag titles in a 2 out of 3 falls match that was taped for an episode of Wrestling Challenge and the top rope broke during one of the falls. They were awarded the belts in the arena but the match never aired and The Rockers were never officially recognised as the tag champions. Surely a similar rule applies here. Until it's aired on TV it's not official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.22.23 ( talk) 22:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Not to long ago, an IP was banned for continuously spoiling Petey Williams X Division title win. Unless the rules have changed since then, the same should apply here. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 03:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
I did some edits last night because I didn't feel this week's SmackDown should've been spoiled. However, I now declare this out of my hands. Have fun fighting, kiddies. 72.92.211.113 ( talk) 05:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
and Chris Jericho's and the World heaveyweight championships pages till Friday. It is getting out of hand with the spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.176.14 ( talk) 09:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is it listed that Jack is in Smackdown if there was no draft, yeah he got the title but shouldn't that mean he brought it to RAW? and plus there is not a good source that lists him on the Smackdown roster-- FHJoker ( talk) 08:40, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Itching suspicion that Jack Swagger chose to be on Smackdown instead of RAW. rather than staying on RAW and defending the World Heavyweight Title on Smackdown. And at this time he is on the Smackdown Roster Thewi2kbug ( talk) 04:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I just came from wwe.com, his profile page was moved to the SmackDown section. His picture still appears on the RAW page, but if you click it, you get one of those "This page has either been moved or no longer exists" type messages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.211.113 ( talk) 05:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
It makes no sense. Isn't the use of protecting it to avoid them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.176.14 ( talk) 10:45, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
WP:SPOIL. I really don't understand why you are unable to read. Also, the majority of users support the addition of the information. So please don't pull false statements out of your ass. And for the last time, WP:SPOIL. – Turian (talk) 22:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Not sure where this info is coming from, but Swagger hasn't won the world title.
Moreover, the date listed is the 29th, a Tuesday. Unless Swagger cashed in the Money in the Bank during NXT (which he did not, as I watched it), he is not champ. I don't see any credited sources, and WWE.com has Jericho listed as the champ.
I tried to edit this but the page is locked. Can somebody unlock this, and make that change? 198.135.242.14 ( talk) 15:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
he cashed after five days of winning the money in the pank ladder match and he defeated chris put he tried after one day of winning the money in the pank ladder match to cash with john cena but when cena got up he changed hid mined ( so there in a mistake in the article )
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change age against the machines to Rage against the machines
never mind i cant believe its not them i also cant believe there is a band called age against the machines 72.40.6.7 ( talk) 19:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
Reviewer: Nascarking ( talk) 05:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Reviewer: Nascarking ( talk) 05:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
There is definitely an error in the weight mentioned. It says his real weight is 260 lbs and 120 kg. It says his billed weight is 263 lbs and 119 kg. How can a larger value in lbs be a smaller value in kg? Meaning that 263 lbs should be more than 120 kg and it shouldn't be 119 kg if 119 kg is 260 lbs Mayankeagle ( talk) 17:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
While I agree that the gimmick has been overplayed, there is precisely next to nothing about it in the actual article. 50.16.107.91 ( talk) 00:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
if hes not champ anymore, why is there a pic of him with the belt? -- Gokudbzgohan ( talk) 23:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Is Jack Swagger really Italian American? He is listed as one at Wikipedia's List of Italian American entertainers under Professional_wrestlers [1] but I have seen no reference to Swagger being part Italian on his wiki page. 5.69.99.241 ( talk) 20:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I think that Jack Swagger is a white American (WASP) not of German or Italian descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.200.8.235 ( talk) 13:18, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Jack Swagger → Jake Hager – I'm confident that this is his common name by now. For the past year, he has clearly established himself under his real name via his MMA career and especially AEW. Almost all of the recent headlines on him from the past 6 months refer to him as Jake Hager, and they rarely ever call him "Jack Swagger" in articles unless they're mentioning his time in WWE. Sekyaw (talk) 04:38, 6 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. b uidh e 23:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)