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I don't think article is anywhere near bad enough to need the cleanup tag! I'm not a regular editor of this article, so I'll leave it for someone else to remove it or not.. -- Chuq 02:45, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think this picture should be merged into the article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jakarta_slumlife65.JPG
This article could use a good daytime picture of the Jakarta skyline. TheCoffee 13:53, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Minor edit on Orang Betawi, the ethnic group which has inhabited what is now Jakarta since the 17th Century. Were referred to as "Betawinese" and incorrectly described as anyone born in Jakarta. Google records less than 60 hits for "Betawinese", and it is not a term I had seen used elsewhere. I have therefore used the Indonesian term for the group. -- Kutu 05:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why introduce an indonesian word? It has no meaning in english. The translaton would be "Betawi people" or Betawinese, like it was. I vote for "Betawi people" if the "-nese" looks too pretentious. -- 216.116.87.110 18:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The word Betawi are from batavia. That means they are people living (they decendent) in there since batavia era. Daimond 13:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi @all, can anybody indonesian expert have a look after Tandjung Priok? I added a hint to the sailship fleet. And I am a littel bit unsure about the name´s spelling. Regards BerndB 17:12, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm probably going to make myself look pretty stupid here, but I can't see Jakarta highlighted on the "Map of Indonesia showing Jakarta". It doesn't help that I don't know where Jakarta is in Indonesia, but it is not obvious to me. Am I missing something? Can somebody put me out of my misery, please? Cheers TigerShark 17:43, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new map with the zoomed portion. I've still got the source, so we can tweak it to our needs. Here it is so far. -- Steax 07:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks like you're using an old map! Because nowdays, the Goverment of Indonesia have split some provice (like Riau now become Riau and Kepulauan Riau). Can you update the map???
Sorry, I don't have the newer map, but I just want to suggest the maker of this article to search or make a newer one. Ali Wardhana 07:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC) 7:35 27 April 2006 (UTC) NB: Now I put my sign...right? :)
The education and shopping mall sections contain lists that are unwieldy and in my opinion are not very useful. If there are no objections I intend to edit the lists out and replace it with something more verbose, and hopefully more meaningful. Jakarta is a large city, and listing every university and "shopping mall" is just unnecessary. Thoughts? Julius.kusuma 20:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
User 24.199.83.253, why do you insist on removing the image Image:Jakarta slumlife71.JPG ? Julius.kusuma 04:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC) Reply =>I'm terribly Sorry for deleting the Pictures but I believe together we should promote Jakarta as a Beautiful city so please do not post pictures of Slumlife,Poverty,Economy Crisis and all that is bad in Jakarta.as those Pictures give bad Images/Bad Reputation of My City,Jakarta in The Worlds Eyes.And I reqest to remove the Problems Topic and the Econmoy Crisis 1998 Link as they give bad Reputation to Jakarta. Do Post Pictures of Beautiful Jakarta.Skyline,Entertainment,Culture,etc. Thanks and Enjoy Jakarta!
Uh... I live here in Jakarta too, and I have to say that this city isn't really that beautiful... ^^;; But I love Jakarta, I really do, it's just that what Julius.Kusuma said is true: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we have to lay things how it is. Now, maybe it is a good idea to have people know the negative side of Jakarta (poverty, mountains of garbage and all) and the side which Jakarta-lover up there talked about. Anyway.... did I missed it or there's no section about the demographic and social life? I founD it interesting, just too bad I don't have enough facts, and I'm no expert. 202.73.122.227 22:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
New South Wales, Australia is not a city. Its a state. Avalon 13:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
.... and I don't know which city in NSW is the twin to Djakarta. Avalon 13:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The relationship is with the state New South Wales, not a specific city. Caniago 07:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Is the three in one rule equivalent to HOV in the states? If so it might be better to say "requiring passengers" A google search didn't bring up any relevant information. Not An IP 17:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
wow when i look in this suara pembaruan this day 29 november 2006, I look this new rule like a very stupid rule. When many country try save and conserve energy indonesia do oposite about that. and this do when our country have problem with electricity. i would like to see how this would burden more to pln when they recharge the accu. Daimond 12:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
okay we forgot about object vital in jakarta like istana negara dan gedung dpr mpr. the problem where are finds data about all jakarta object vital? anyone know? recently i know that my area become vital object from regular montly pay for security? the problem there people not belive that glodok area become object vital. so where we find all data about object vital in the jakarta? Daimond 16:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Has essentially nothing happened in Jakarta since the early 1600s? That's the impression this article gives. For starters, here's a Dutch article that fills in some of the gaps, if someone is able to translate it. Biruitorul 23:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You need to to add in an artical about the recent floods in this city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.136.52.218 ( talk) 05:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
1996 flood data sorry this still in indonesia langguae, cause we still under suharto regim in that time. http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/1996/02/12/0029.html Daimond 18:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The population statistics in the first paragraph of this entry don't make sense. First it claims there are 8.7 million people in Jakarta as a whole, then it says there are 23 million people just in the metropolitan area. Either the stats are wrong, or its entirely unclear what each of them refer to. Bruce.Williams 01:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Are there any pictures available of the shanty towns? Mallerd 11:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I create a new article, History of Jakarta. Perhaps we can trim the section. Kunderemp 04:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The relationships between both Prince Jayawikarta and the English with the Banten government then became worse and resulted in the Sultan of Banten's decision to capture Prince Jayawikarta and move him to Tanara, a small place in Banten, until his death[6]. This assisted the Dutch in their efforts to establish a closer relationship with Banten.
I found the last sentence of the above quotation is weird. I believe the poster try to paraphrase from BeritaJakarta.com article (quoted below)
The Dutch army was about to surrender to the British when in 1619, a sultan from Banten sent soldiers and summoned Prince Jayawikarta for establishing closed realtionship with the British without first asking an approval from Banten authorities. The conflict between Banten and Prince Jayawikarta as well as the tensed relationship between Banten and the British had weakened the Dutch enemy. Prince Jayawikarta was moved to Tanara and died in Banten.
The Dutch felt relieved and tried to establish a closer relationship with the Banten. The Dutch fortress garrison, along with hired soldiers from Japan, Germany, Scotia, Denmark, and Belgium held a party in commemoration of the change in situation. They name their fortress after Batavia to recollect the ethnic group Batavier, the Dutch ancestor. Since then Jayakarta was called Batavia for more than 300 years.
As far as I remember from all of what I had read and the article from beritajakarta.com, none of them said about the capture of Pangeran Jayawikarta help the Dutch establish a close relationship to Banten. Beritajakarta.com's article could probably means the banishment of Pangeran Jayawikarta motivated the Dutch to establish a closer relationship not the otherway around. It is not mutual. Kunderemp 16:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The site itself claimed as Media Online Pemprov Jakarta (Online Media of Jakarta Provincial Government). Some part of history (such as the involvement of Banten in the demise of Jayawikarta) was taken from the site [2] but ironically, by inappropriate sentence modification which also change the meaning of the some sentences and become a confusing paragraph. Kunderemp 15:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The article said:
Prince Jayawikarta apparently also had a connection with the English and allowed them to build houses directly across from the Dutch buildings in 1615.
In Adolf Heuken's book, in 1615, the English source state
- Captain Saris took provisions as Jacatra would afford; 19-1-1613
- To confer with the King of Jacatra about a place there for a factory and settled course of customs with liberty to build a strong house 'free from fire', to confer also with the Flemings to join with the English in leaving Bantam and removing wholly to Jacatra or elsewhere.
- 2-1-1615 Must not build any house in Jacatra for that he will not leave us to have two houses, whereupon we leave left to proceed any further until we find him in a better humor. The king of Jacatra has given them a piece of ground ... The Hollanders in matter of trade worse enemies to the English than the Portugals
(Sainsbury, W.N., 1870; vol. 2 no. 636, 739, 862)
I wonder what the quoted statement means. Did it mean, the English was allowed to build one and only one house in 1615?
In the book itself (p.48), Heuken stated (and included a map) the first English house (Rumah/gudang Inggris pertama) -- without mentioning the year it was built -- directly across House of Mauritius owned by Dutch. The English was in the west bank of Ciliwung River (pre-1632) while House of Mauritius was located in the east bank. The second English house was built post the demise of Pangeran Jayawikarta on the ruin of Pangeran Jayawikarta's house. Kunderemp 14:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Minor edit on Orang Betawi, the ethnic group which has inhabited what is now Jakarta since the 17th Century. Were referred to as "Betawinese" and incorrectly described as anyone born in Jakarta. Google records less than 60 hits for "Betawinese", and it is not a term I had seen used elsewhere. I have therefore used the Indonesian term for the group. --Kutu 05:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why introduce an indonesian word? It has no meaning in english. The translaton would be "Betawi people" or Betawinese, like it was. I vote for "Betawi people" if the "-nese" looks too pretentious. --216.116.87.110 18:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The word Betawi are from batavia. That means they are people living (they decendent) in there since batavia era. Daimond 13:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Not necessary, for example the 'peranakan' (Tionghoa, Arab, India) in beginning of 20th Century didn't call themselves as Betawi. The term also didn't applied to Minang and Ambonese of 20th Century who lived in Batavia.
In my opinion, Betawi is a tribe, result of asimilation many tribes in the past who lived in Jakarta, against the government-segregation-policy-based-on-tribe, using east-malay-dialect as the foundation of its language. And Betawi itself is the name of the tribe, there are no use of introduce "people" or "-nese" since it never refer to place. Kunderemp 02:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
All sides use the phrase " structural adjustment"; not just its critics. E.g. the World Bank, here touting its imagined success in Indonesia: [3] Or here's an OECD version: [4] The IMF and WB are proud of structural adjustment programs; critics of development such as Arturo Escobar (anthropologist) feel that they are violence against the poor. But people on all sides use the phrase. Also, it captures not just one policy (dereg., for example), but a whole list of actions. -- Smilo Don 19:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC) P.S. The point of the revision is to show that not just 'financial dereg.' led to the real estate boom; specifically, it was a variety of factors; see my updates on Bang Ali for more on that. For better or for worse, Sadikin literally paved the way for some of the changes to come. -- Smilo Don 19:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
On a related point, the description of "Land distribution" is problematic. It is indeed an important point but the supplied Sajor reference does not make this specific point. It needs further explanation that must be succinct, and while it can be paraphrased this must not be at the expense of accuracy. The Sajor reference has interesting points, but they are not accurately represented here. -- Merbabu 06:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey folks. Quick note here about the word "modernist." I'd like to keep it. Why? It's very illuminating--in a single word. It speaks volumes about orientations, objects, and an era. Modernism is something which began in earnest during the Sukarno years and flowed through the bulk of the New Order. Modernist freeways? Oh heck yeah-- Robert Moses is pretty much the definitive proponent. A postmodernist freeway? I'd nominate the destroyed Embarcadero Freeway, without going into the details. For a really fun read on this stuff read David Harvey's Condition of Postmodernity. Or read a bit about Le Corbusier. Anyway, modernism was a HUGE part of Jakarta's history. But don't take my word for it. Have a look at Abidin Kusno's fabulous work. Anyway, with that said, I think that single word--"modernist"--really helps to clarify, expand, and inform the transformations of Jakarta from 1945-present. Regards, -- Smilo Don 01:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Hey brother--please don't bark orders at me. I've given you several sources already, okay? Here's one more, at no extra charge: "In Indonesia, architect/president Sukarno's guided democracy was symbolized by a phalanx of Modernist buildings including a national monument, the Hotel Indonesia, the Independence Mosque, the Asian Games Complex and the Jakarta bypass..." (New Directions In Tropical Asian Architecture,Philip Goad, Anoma Pieris, Patrick Bingham-Hall. Periplus. 2005. pp. 24-5). Instead of being so dour about this, why not see it as an interesting contribution to WP:Jakarta? We all have different skill sets and knowledges, so let's appreciate one another and make this page in a cheerful, collaborative manner. It's the Indonesian way. -- Smilo Don 13:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The concluding sentence of the History section read: "Jakarta has since been the center of Indonesian popular protest and national political instability, including several terms of ineffective Presidents, and a number Jemaah Islamiah-connected bombings." I separated the ideas from each other. The former sentence accidentally pushes a statist perspective (a la Soeharto, Hobbes, James Madison, etc.). E.g. popular unrest is bad, and frequent transitions of rule are bad. It's a very legit POV, but it does carve out a distinct ideological agenda. I tried to put a more neutral "remains a center of political activity;" without connecting bombings to the other two (even though they might arguably be linked). I also deleted the "weak" presidencies b/c I think that's very loaded and b/c SBY has been around for 3 years, with more to come. Granted, the end could still use some work, but that was my reasoning. Cheers, -- Smilo Don 01:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Am I missing something? Why do people keep vandalizing the population figures here and on Indonesia? I'm perplexed. It's a regular occurrence, via many users, so it forms a pattern. But what and why? Is there a politics being played out here? Smilo Don ( talk) 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of which, why does it say 'Jakarta is the eleventh biggest city by population', when the link provided to a list of cities by population shows that it is tenth biggest? It doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.181.49 ( talk) 17:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
The article suggests the city was renamed 'Jakarta' during the Japanese invasion, but earlier states it was 'Djakarta' at this time, and wasn't called 'Jakarta' until decades later. Can anyone clear this up? A recent edit on the Rem Koolhaas page suggests he lived in Jakarta, though he was there in the fifties. Is this right? Millichip ( talk) 13:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The metro population figure appears unsourced. The only ref provided is to the government site which only lists the city figure Nil Einne ( talk) 22:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is the population of the Jakarta metroplitan area not listed as with other major cities on Wikipedia? It seems the 2004 population figure is only for the physical province of Jakarta (DKI Jakarta). The provincial area of 660km2 became saturated in the early 1990s and the population of this area is no longer growing, whereas the surrounding urban area has exploded in terms of population growth. There is not even mention on the page of Jabodetabek, and attempts to rectify this have been met with revision reverts.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.223.95 ( talk) 01:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The President of the United States grew up in Jakarta, ages 2 - 10.
~ter890~ 12:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Aged 6-10. He only spent 4 years in Jakarta. Marmalade1975 ( talk) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)Marmalade1975, 5.27pm WIB, 7th February 2010
Jakarta is by no means on or adjacent to the Indian Ocean (yet) - removed the category Satu Suro 13:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The concentration of wealth and political influence in the city means that it has much more noticeable foreign influence on its landscape and culture, an effect illustrated by the presence in the city of many major international fast-food chains, for example. Isn't that a bit ridiculous? Fast-food chains as indicators of culture? Can I just change that to foreign movies, concerts, or other more "refined" stuff? Rafaledeguerre Rafaledeguerre 07:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
With more than 3.5 million vehicles, more than 10 million inhabitants and messy transportation system, Jakarta has one of the worst traffic problems in the world. Even with the addition of the new busway lines, most public transportation are privately owned with no clear route. Buses (metromini, kopaja, mayasari bakti) as well as minivans (mikrolet) are famous for stopping in the middle of the road to take up passengers.
Traffic jams are usually expected to last for hours. The government's three-in-one rule (vehicles have to contain more than 3 passengers to use the road) are rarely imposed and the CBD area are still jammed in the rush hours. The new busway are not helping much, because they took up special lanes that are not to be used for other vehicles. As a result, the road for other motorists are getting narrower, leading up to more traffic jams.
Finally, traffic policemen are rarely of help. Most of them are unseen during the traffic jams, but suddenly appear when you turn left in a supposedly no turn left from 9 to 11 am crossroad. more citation and references needed for the above part.. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoniho ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The pictures recently added are quite nice actually. Maybe an opportunity for a Gallery section at the bottom of the article? Kind rgds, K. -- KARL RAN ( talk) 12:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh well, then some work to do elsewhere I guess: National Monument (Indonesia) -- KARL RAN ( talk) 12:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I made an edit to a translation on the page, but it was reversed...I'm new to this, but what happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.35.230 ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
It was mentioned that Manila, along with Jakarta lack public transportation. Manila is different from Jakarta and the city does have a wide range of public transportation from jeepneys to buses, ferry, commuter rail and rapid transit system such as LRT/MRT.
I decided to omit parts of that section
Themanilaxperience ( talk) 08:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've never met any locals that know that big durian nickname, and is thinking about deleting it because it would not be a nickname would it if its just a bunch of foreigners calling it such? I keep adding Old Sac as Sacramento's nickname but some nerd keeps on deleting it. So yeah, I guess it's time for me to take over the control over my hometown's article. Rafaledeguerre Rafaledeguerre 07:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's really important to be there. Besides, it's not well formatted/presented Guybrush1979 ( talk) 00:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The newspaper article for Footnote (2) which is used to support the 24 million person metro population figure does not actually contain that number in it. As such it should be deleted or marked as speculative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krypter ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It appears this article is experiencing some continuous vandalistic edits by a certain person, who apparently does not like the idea of Jakarta being the captital city of Indonesia. Using an IP translator, I've concluded said person logs in from a computer in Jakarta. Furthermore, his/her writing style tells us that he/she is not very familiar with the English language, so together with the IP location, said person is likely to be a citizen of Jakarta. I don't suppose we can do something more... permanent about this, as the IP address changes every time. Or is there a way? HyperGaruda ( talk) 20:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The Annoying Editor strikes again.... After reading the information about the lock Bogomolov.PL mentions, it appears to me that every anonymous IP adress will be affected. It would be unfair to other anonymous users who do make helpfull edits. I'm wondering if there is something a bit more specific so that only those IP adresses which look like 125.16x.xxx.xxx -the IP of the editor who does not like Jakarta as a capital- are excluded from editing. I realise ofcourse that there are several IPs of this kind which do not belong to the AE, but excluding only those will not be as bad as excluding every single anonymous user. HyperGaruda ( talk) 18:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but I see no reason to completely erase the Gallery section, and I see a very good reason to, at the very least, restore the Gallery section of 2010. I sometimes link directly to gallery sections, and I doubt that I'm the only one who does this. To erase a gallery section, or any section for that matter, might break links in other parts of Wikipedia. Comments? Suggestions?
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I'd just like to ask some editors to expand the economy and demography section, it contains very little substantial information. In the demography section, for example, why don't we make it similar to the style of demography section in Indonesian page. The demography section of Jakarta needs to contain information about population and its growth, religion, ethnic, and education. So, by expanding demography section, we can delete education section which has too many "red link" and is not necessary in the page. In economy section, on the other hand, we need to add more information about economy by sectors where Jakarta people work in and its growth during decades, and its challenges. I do really need your help,,, especially those who has since guarded this page Merbabu and Gunkarta. Thank you. Salam-- Mikael07 ( talk) 12:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
question: when clicking on Batavia i am redirected here. while quite a comprehensive article on modern Jakarta, it hardly covers the old city of Batavia at all. Jakarta was known as Batavia for hundreds of years, so is a seperate (historic) article still missing perhaps? warm regards, -- Ms.Finesse ( talk) 23:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
A hindu person by the username merbabu has made nothing but negative edits in indonesia related articles. he has repeated the same picture and all his edits in indonesian articles have been to remove any positives and exaggerate the negatives. please do this biased editing in your indian cities articles and not in indonesia related articles. all outdated reference put by this user need to be double checked. Though i must say that the putrid conditions of indian cities is really terrible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutUdPwYMZo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.110.149 ( talk) 18:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
So, as expected, the "Look at our skyscrapers and mall" editors have taken offence at a picture of a slum. But Jakarta is not just skyscrapers, toll roads, and monuments. Where are the kampungs where the vast majority live? Kampungs are the fundamental fabric of Jakarta and this article ignores it. NPOV requires all aspects of a topic to be discussed. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC) PS - to be fair, there seems to be competition amongst all Asian city editors to over-emphasise how modern and sophisticated their cities are, while ignoring the more humble or even shameful parts. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Where's the pictures previously featured in this article? In particular 'jakarta after the rain' and jakarta chatedral? Present pictures are boring and dusty, making the impression of being lesser city than other capital like kuala lumpur, bangkok, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.215.36.183 ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
There's a section in the article High-occupancy vehicle lane mentioning countries which have HOV lanes. I've only been to Jakarta a couple of times, and I wasn't driving - but I'm sure I remember these lanes, and also the "Car Jockeys" which as far as I know are unique to the city. Could someone update the HOV article with a reference to Jakarta, add a section here, and perhaps expand my section in Slugging Thanks Number774 ( talk) 13:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
having been living in a nearby province for some time, i feel the part that says "Jakarta is not part of any province, it is controlled directly by the national government" (in the box) is quite incorrect. jakarta itself is a province consisting of 5 cities and 1 regency. jakarta has its own local government though lacking city level people's council. what the others think about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.96.82.32 ( talk) 00:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
The short histrory section refers to both a "Prince Jayawikarta" and a "Prince Jayakarta". I assume this is a mistake and it should be "Jayawikarta" throughout? However, the wikipedia article on the Betawi People lists a "Sultan Jayakarta" among notable Betawi people. Is "Sultan Jayakarta" the same person as "Prince Jayakarta", the same as "Prince Jayawikarta"? It would be great if someone knowledgeable could clean this up a bit and bring clarity. Thank you. Pontus rosen ( talk) 07:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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See Provinces of Indonesia, Jakarta is one of 34 provinces of Indonesia. In Indonesia, province is the highest tier of the local government or level I region, while city or regency is on level II region. (Jakarta is not a city)
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Jakarta is a province, official name is Special Capital Region of Jakarta. Other region such as Aceh, Special Region of Yogyakarta, Papua, and West Papua is also a province, not Special Region. Hddty. ( talk) 03:48, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Merbabu said "they may be newer and higher res. But they are worse pictures". First off, that is a very subjective claim, you can't just revert the montage based on the justification that you think they are worse pictures. You said it yourself, they are newer and higher resolution, which are the two standard key elements to an effective montage and ultimately, makes them in fact better pictures. "Previous montage had far more iconic and representative photos", okay, so? I chose only a select bunch of landmarks in the montage to summarize the city. If you look at London, Paris, NYC, Tokyo, etc. all of their montages are simple and only show a few select key landmarks. There are many more iconic sights in each city that could have been featured, but those sights are instead shown in elsewhere in article. All of the landmarks from the outdated previous montage that I left out are, yes, shown elsewhere on the page. The size differences is not nearly as drastic to warrant it "too bloated" or "bigger than big". The size is pretty standard, as a matter of fact. Why make this a big deal? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The primary purpose and criteria to judge a photo in an article is how it works with the rest of the page". As you didn't seem to address this point that I made, I am not going to bother rewriting the same thing.
Copying & paste what I wrote before: "If you look at London, Paris, NYC, Tokyo, etc. all of their montages are simple [yet informative] and only show a few select key landmarks. There are many more iconic sights in each city that could have been featured, but those sights are instead shown in elsewhere in article. All of the landmarks from the outdated previous montage that I left out are, yes, shown elsewhere on the page."
The stadium shot is iconic, mosque is well composed, the hotel looks excellent and so on and so forth, that's great! You can replace the photos that are already found within the article to your preferred ones, I don't care. I only chose a few perhaps the MOST iconic landmarks to include in the montage. Literally every city has stadiums, what makes the one in Jakarta strikingly different? Does it really need to be included in the montage? It's just a stadium (and it's already seen in the sports section).
Though the I added the Gama Tower in my proposed montage as it is the tallest building in the entire city, I am fine with switching it out for a more iconic landmark, you can provide a suggestion (maybe the mosque or something else, not the stadium). I don't really find the current monas image that much strikingly better as you described, but honestly it could go either way, that's not a big of a deal.
The Taman Mini Indonesia Indah castle is the most iconic and recognizable landmark of the entire park. It instantly says "Jakarta!" with its unique color, and at least it's more recognizable than the museum. I chuckled a bit when you wrote this, how useful do you think readers will find images of "slums and pollution" in in the infobox montage? It be should be simple and contain images that are representative AND useful to understanding the city and its sites. This is an encyclopedia, not a news article. Take everything with a grain of salt. And yes, the claim "the previous photos are worse" is a very subjective claim. I never went out of the blue said anything you've done is better or worse, I actually analyzed the elements of each component of the montage and determined which one is more suitable.
So in summary, the montage
ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 01:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Noting there was no agreement on the change from this montage - it was only changed a week or so ago - by Nikon alone. I did agree, I simply relented. And now an anon IP also reverted back to the old montage. I also note that Nikon also said we could change them. However, current behavior suggests that Niknon is acting alone on this one. Unless there is agreement, then i suggest it is reverted back to the original. -- Merbabu ( talk) 01:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, as the creator of the old version, I would like to comments about the photo montage. I must agree to most of Merbabu's argument, the old one looks better and has a pleasant composition. However, I noted that the new skyline proposed by Nkon21 looks far better than the old one. Indeed the benefit of composing a dedicated montage in a single file is the creator could play with cropping and composition more liberally, which help to achieve better looks and better focus, which can not be done by solely using existing proportion of the selected pictures. Taking notes and opinion from you both, I proposed to improve the old one. Having move and change some images, I have upload the newer version of the montage. Hope it will be an improvement, please tell me what you think. Thank you. Gunkarta talk 17:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
In summary, my annoyance arose after you changed the montage to 100% what you wanted after 100% dismissing my concerns (not even 10% comprise was shown) only because i said I indicated that although i didn't support, i wasn't in the mood to debate. I relented, rather than us reaching agreement. As such, i would have thought you might show some collaborative skills when I was WP:BOLD and made a change to one of your six photos. Instead, you reverted and made a narky comment about a note that you provided (and which i didn't read, and wasn't required anyway as we have policies on how to edit), and claimed it was against "consensus". And, consensus is not "winner takes all". -- Merbabu ( talk) 06:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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I don't think article is anywhere near bad enough to need the cleanup tag! I'm not a regular editor of this article, so I'll leave it for someone else to remove it or not.. -- Chuq 02:45, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think this picture should be merged into the article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jakarta_slumlife65.JPG
This article could use a good daytime picture of the Jakarta skyline. TheCoffee 13:53, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Minor edit on Orang Betawi, the ethnic group which has inhabited what is now Jakarta since the 17th Century. Were referred to as "Betawinese" and incorrectly described as anyone born in Jakarta. Google records less than 60 hits for "Betawinese", and it is not a term I had seen used elsewhere. I have therefore used the Indonesian term for the group. -- Kutu 05:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why introduce an indonesian word? It has no meaning in english. The translaton would be "Betawi people" or Betawinese, like it was. I vote for "Betawi people" if the "-nese" looks too pretentious. -- 216.116.87.110 18:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The word Betawi are from batavia. That means they are people living (they decendent) in there since batavia era. Daimond 13:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi @all, can anybody indonesian expert have a look after Tandjung Priok? I added a hint to the sailship fleet. And I am a littel bit unsure about the name´s spelling. Regards BerndB 17:12, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm probably going to make myself look pretty stupid here, but I can't see Jakarta highlighted on the "Map of Indonesia showing Jakarta". It doesn't help that I don't know where Jakarta is in Indonesia, but it is not obvious to me. Am I missing something? Can somebody put me out of my misery, please? Cheers TigerShark 17:43, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new map with the zoomed portion. I've still got the source, so we can tweak it to our needs. Here it is so far. -- Steax 07:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Looks like you're using an old map! Because nowdays, the Goverment of Indonesia have split some provice (like Riau now become Riau and Kepulauan Riau). Can you update the map???
Sorry, I don't have the newer map, but I just want to suggest the maker of this article to search or make a newer one. Ali Wardhana 07:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC) 7:35 27 April 2006 (UTC) NB: Now I put my sign...right? :)
The education and shopping mall sections contain lists that are unwieldy and in my opinion are not very useful. If there are no objections I intend to edit the lists out and replace it with something more verbose, and hopefully more meaningful. Jakarta is a large city, and listing every university and "shopping mall" is just unnecessary. Thoughts? Julius.kusuma 20:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
User 24.199.83.253, why do you insist on removing the image Image:Jakarta slumlife71.JPG ? Julius.kusuma 04:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC) Reply =>I'm terribly Sorry for deleting the Pictures but I believe together we should promote Jakarta as a Beautiful city so please do not post pictures of Slumlife,Poverty,Economy Crisis and all that is bad in Jakarta.as those Pictures give bad Images/Bad Reputation of My City,Jakarta in The Worlds Eyes.And I reqest to remove the Problems Topic and the Econmoy Crisis 1998 Link as they give bad Reputation to Jakarta. Do Post Pictures of Beautiful Jakarta.Skyline,Entertainment,Culture,etc. Thanks and Enjoy Jakarta!
Uh... I live here in Jakarta too, and I have to say that this city isn't really that beautiful... ^^;; But I love Jakarta, I really do, it's just that what Julius.Kusuma said is true: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we have to lay things how it is. Now, maybe it is a good idea to have people know the negative side of Jakarta (poverty, mountains of garbage and all) and the side which Jakarta-lover up there talked about. Anyway.... did I missed it or there's no section about the demographic and social life? I founD it interesting, just too bad I don't have enough facts, and I'm no expert. 202.73.122.227 22:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
New South Wales, Australia is not a city. Its a state. Avalon 13:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
.... and I don't know which city in NSW is the twin to Djakarta. Avalon 13:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The relationship is with the state New South Wales, not a specific city. Caniago 07:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Is the three in one rule equivalent to HOV in the states? If so it might be better to say "requiring passengers" A google search didn't bring up any relevant information. Not An IP 17:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
wow when i look in this suara pembaruan this day 29 november 2006, I look this new rule like a very stupid rule. When many country try save and conserve energy indonesia do oposite about that. and this do when our country have problem with electricity. i would like to see how this would burden more to pln when they recharge the accu. Daimond 12:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
okay we forgot about object vital in jakarta like istana negara dan gedung dpr mpr. the problem where are finds data about all jakarta object vital? anyone know? recently i know that my area become vital object from regular montly pay for security? the problem there people not belive that glodok area become object vital. so where we find all data about object vital in the jakarta? Daimond 16:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Has essentially nothing happened in Jakarta since the early 1600s? That's the impression this article gives. For starters, here's a Dutch article that fills in some of the gaps, if someone is able to translate it. Biruitorul 23:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
You need to to add in an artical about the recent floods in this city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.136.52.218 ( talk) 05:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC).
1996 flood data sorry this still in indonesia langguae, cause we still under suharto regim in that time. http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/1996/02/12/0029.html Daimond 18:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The population statistics in the first paragraph of this entry don't make sense. First it claims there are 8.7 million people in Jakarta as a whole, then it says there are 23 million people just in the metropolitan area. Either the stats are wrong, or its entirely unclear what each of them refer to. Bruce.Williams 01:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Are there any pictures available of the shanty towns? Mallerd 11:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
I create a new article, History of Jakarta. Perhaps we can trim the section. Kunderemp 04:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The relationships between both Prince Jayawikarta and the English with the Banten government then became worse and resulted in the Sultan of Banten's decision to capture Prince Jayawikarta and move him to Tanara, a small place in Banten, until his death[6]. This assisted the Dutch in their efforts to establish a closer relationship with Banten.
I found the last sentence of the above quotation is weird. I believe the poster try to paraphrase from BeritaJakarta.com article (quoted below)
The Dutch army was about to surrender to the British when in 1619, a sultan from Banten sent soldiers and summoned Prince Jayawikarta for establishing closed realtionship with the British without first asking an approval from Banten authorities. The conflict between Banten and Prince Jayawikarta as well as the tensed relationship between Banten and the British had weakened the Dutch enemy. Prince Jayawikarta was moved to Tanara and died in Banten.
The Dutch felt relieved and tried to establish a closer relationship with the Banten. The Dutch fortress garrison, along with hired soldiers from Japan, Germany, Scotia, Denmark, and Belgium held a party in commemoration of the change in situation. They name their fortress after Batavia to recollect the ethnic group Batavier, the Dutch ancestor. Since then Jayakarta was called Batavia for more than 300 years.
As far as I remember from all of what I had read and the article from beritajakarta.com, none of them said about the capture of Pangeran Jayawikarta help the Dutch establish a close relationship to Banten. Beritajakarta.com's article could probably means the banishment of Pangeran Jayawikarta motivated the Dutch to establish a closer relationship not the otherway around. It is not mutual. Kunderemp 16:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The site itself claimed as Media Online Pemprov Jakarta (Online Media of Jakarta Provincial Government). Some part of history (such as the involvement of Banten in the demise of Jayawikarta) was taken from the site [2] but ironically, by inappropriate sentence modification which also change the meaning of the some sentences and become a confusing paragraph. Kunderemp 15:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The article said:
Prince Jayawikarta apparently also had a connection with the English and allowed them to build houses directly across from the Dutch buildings in 1615.
In Adolf Heuken's book, in 1615, the English source state
- Captain Saris took provisions as Jacatra would afford; 19-1-1613
- To confer with the King of Jacatra about a place there for a factory and settled course of customs with liberty to build a strong house 'free from fire', to confer also with the Flemings to join with the English in leaving Bantam and removing wholly to Jacatra or elsewhere.
- 2-1-1615 Must not build any house in Jacatra for that he will not leave us to have two houses, whereupon we leave left to proceed any further until we find him in a better humor. The king of Jacatra has given them a piece of ground ... The Hollanders in matter of trade worse enemies to the English than the Portugals
(Sainsbury, W.N., 1870; vol. 2 no. 636, 739, 862)
I wonder what the quoted statement means. Did it mean, the English was allowed to build one and only one house in 1615?
In the book itself (p.48), Heuken stated (and included a map) the first English house (Rumah/gudang Inggris pertama) -- without mentioning the year it was built -- directly across House of Mauritius owned by Dutch. The English was in the west bank of Ciliwung River (pre-1632) while House of Mauritius was located in the east bank. The second English house was built post the demise of Pangeran Jayawikarta on the ruin of Pangeran Jayawikarta's house. Kunderemp 14:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Minor edit on Orang Betawi, the ethnic group which has inhabited what is now Jakarta since the 17th Century. Were referred to as "Betawinese" and incorrectly described as anyone born in Jakarta. Google records less than 60 hits for "Betawinese", and it is not a term I had seen used elsewhere. I have therefore used the Indonesian term for the group. --Kutu 05:45, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Why introduce an indonesian word? It has no meaning in english. The translaton would be "Betawi people" or Betawinese, like it was. I vote for "Betawi people" if the "-nese" looks too pretentious. --216.116.87.110 18:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
The word Betawi are from batavia. That means they are people living (they decendent) in there since batavia era. Daimond 13:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Not necessary, for example the 'peranakan' (Tionghoa, Arab, India) in beginning of 20th Century didn't call themselves as Betawi. The term also didn't applied to Minang and Ambonese of 20th Century who lived in Batavia.
In my opinion, Betawi is a tribe, result of asimilation many tribes in the past who lived in Jakarta, against the government-segregation-policy-based-on-tribe, using east-malay-dialect as the foundation of its language. And Betawi itself is the name of the tribe, there are no use of introduce "people" or "-nese" since it never refer to place. Kunderemp 02:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
All sides use the phrase " structural adjustment"; not just its critics. E.g. the World Bank, here touting its imagined success in Indonesia: [3] Or here's an OECD version: [4] The IMF and WB are proud of structural adjustment programs; critics of development such as Arturo Escobar (anthropologist) feel that they are violence against the poor. But people on all sides use the phrase. Also, it captures not just one policy (dereg., for example), but a whole list of actions. -- Smilo Don 19:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC) P.S. The point of the revision is to show that not just 'financial dereg.' led to the real estate boom; specifically, it was a variety of factors; see my updates on Bang Ali for more on that. For better or for worse, Sadikin literally paved the way for some of the changes to come. -- Smilo Don 19:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
On a related point, the description of "Land distribution" is problematic. It is indeed an important point but the supplied Sajor reference does not make this specific point. It needs further explanation that must be succinct, and while it can be paraphrased this must not be at the expense of accuracy. The Sajor reference has interesting points, but they are not accurately represented here. -- Merbabu 06:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Hey folks. Quick note here about the word "modernist." I'd like to keep it. Why? It's very illuminating--in a single word. It speaks volumes about orientations, objects, and an era. Modernism is something which began in earnest during the Sukarno years and flowed through the bulk of the New Order. Modernist freeways? Oh heck yeah-- Robert Moses is pretty much the definitive proponent. A postmodernist freeway? I'd nominate the destroyed Embarcadero Freeway, without going into the details. For a really fun read on this stuff read David Harvey's Condition of Postmodernity. Or read a bit about Le Corbusier. Anyway, modernism was a HUGE part of Jakarta's history. But don't take my word for it. Have a look at Abidin Kusno's fabulous work. Anyway, with that said, I think that single word--"modernist"--really helps to clarify, expand, and inform the transformations of Jakarta from 1945-present. Regards, -- Smilo Don 01:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
(unindent) Hey brother--please don't bark orders at me. I've given you several sources already, okay? Here's one more, at no extra charge: "In Indonesia, architect/president Sukarno's guided democracy was symbolized by a phalanx of Modernist buildings including a national monument, the Hotel Indonesia, the Independence Mosque, the Asian Games Complex and the Jakarta bypass..." (New Directions In Tropical Asian Architecture,Philip Goad, Anoma Pieris, Patrick Bingham-Hall. Periplus. 2005. pp. 24-5). Instead of being so dour about this, why not see it as an interesting contribution to WP:Jakarta? We all have different skill sets and knowledges, so let's appreciate one another and make this page in a cheerful, collaborative manner. It's the Indonesian way. -- Smilo Don 13:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The concluding sentence of the History section read: "Jakarta has since been the center of Indonesian popular protest and national political instability, including several terms of ineffective Presidents, and a number Jemaah Islamiah-connected bombings." I separated the ideas from each other. The former sentence accidentally pushes a statist perspective (a la Soeharto, Hobbes, James Madison, etc.). E.g. popular unrest is bad, and frequent transitions of rule are bad. It's a very legit POV, but it does carve out a distinct ideological agenda. I tried to put a more neutral "remains a center of political activity;" without connecting bombings to the other two (even though they might arguably be linked). I also deleted the "weak" presidencies b/c I think that's very loaded and b/c SBY has been around for 3 years, with more to come. Granted, the end could still use some work, but that was my reasoning. Cheers, -- Smilo Don 01:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Am I missing something? Why do people keep vandalizing the population figures here and on Indonesia? I'm perplexed. It's a regular occurrence, via many users, so it forms a pattern. But what and why? Is there a politics being played out here? Smilo Don ( talk) 17:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of which, why does it say 'Jakarta is the eleventh biggest city by population', when the link provided to a list of cities by population shows that it is tenth biggest? It doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.105.181.49 ( talk) 17:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
The article suggests the city was renamed 'Jakarta' during the Japanese invasion, but earlier states it was 'Djakarta' at this time, and wasn't called 'Jakarta' until decades later. Can anyone clear this up? A recent edit on the Rem Koolhaas page suggests he lived in Jakarta, though he was there in the fifties. Is this right? Millichip ( talk) 13:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The metro population figure appears unsourced. The only ref provided is to the government site which only lists the city figure Nil Einne ( talk) 22:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Why is the population of the Jakarta metroplitan area not listed as with other major cities on Wikipedia? It seems the 2004 population figure is only for the physical province of Jakarta (DKI Jakarta). The provincial area of 660km2 became saturated in the early 1990s and the population of this area is no longer growing, whereas the surrounding urban area has exploded in terms of population growth. There is not even mention on the page of Jabodetabek, and attempts to rectify this have been met with revision reverts.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.223.95 ( talk) 01:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The President of the United States grew up in Jakarta, ages 2 - 10.
~ter890~ 12:11, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Aged 6-10. He only spent 4 years in Jakarta. Marmalade1975 ( talk) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)Marmalade1975, 5.27pm WIB, 7th February 2010
Jakarta is by no means on or adjacent to the Indian Ocean (yet) - removed the category Satu Suro 13:52, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The concentration of wealth and political influence in the city means that it has much more noticeable foreign influence on its landscape and culture, an effect illustrated by the presence in the city of many major international fast-food chains, for example. Isn't that a bit ridiculous? Fast-food chains as indicators of culture? Can I just change that to foreign movies, concerts, or other more "refined" stuff? Rafaledeguerre Rafaledeguerre 07:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
With more than 3.5 million vehicles, more than 10 million inhabitants and messy transportation system, Jakarta has one of the worst traffic problems in the world. Even with the addition of the new busway lines, most public transportation are privately owned with no clear route. Buses (metromini, kopaja, mayasari bakti) as well as minivans (mikrolet) are famous for stopping in the middle of the road to take up passengers.
Traffic jams are usually expected to last for hours. The government's three-in-one rule (vehicles have to contain more than 3 passengers to use the road) are rarely imposed and the CBD area are still jammed in the rush hours. The new busway are not helping much, because they took up special lanes that are not to be used for other vehicles. As a result, the road for other motorists are getting narrower, leading up to more traffic jams.
Finally, traffic policemen are rarely of help. Most of them are unseen during the traffic jams, but suddenly appear when you turn left in a supposedly no turn left from 9 to 11 am crossroad. more citation and references needed for the above part.. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antoniho ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The pictures recently added are quite nice actually. Maybe an opportunity for a Gallery section at the bottom of the article? Kind rgds, K. -- KARL RAN ( talk) 12:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Oh well, then some work to do elsewhere I guess: National Monument (Indonesia) -- KARL RAN ( talk) 12:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I made an edit to a translation on the page, but it was reversed...I'm new to this, but what happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.35.230 ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
It was mentioned that Manila, along with Jakarta lack public transportation. Manila is different from Jakarta and the city does have a wide range of public transportation from jeepneys to buses, ferry, commuter rail and rapid transit system such as LRT/MRT.
I decided to omit parts of that section
Themanilaxperience ( talk) 08:18, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I've never met any locals that know that big durian nickname, and is thinking about deleting it because it would not be a nickname would it if its just a bunch of foreigners calling it such? I keep adding Old Sac as Sacramento's nickname but some nerd keeps on deleting it. So yeah, I guess it's time for me to take over the control over my hometown's article. Rafaledeguerre Rafaledeguerre 07:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's really important to be there. Besides, it's not well formatted/presented Guybrush1979 ( talk) 00:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
The newspaper article for Footnote (2) which is used to support the 24 million person metro population figure does not actually contain that number in it. As such it should be deleted or marked as speculative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krypter ( talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It appears this article is experiencing some continuous vandalistic edits by a certain person, who apparently does not like the idea of Jakarta being the captital city of Indonesia. Using an IP translator, I've concluded said person logs in from a computer in Jakarta. Furthermore, his/her writing style tells us that he/she is not very familiar with the English language, so together with the IP location, said person is likely to be a citizen of Jakarta. I don't suppose we can do something more... permanent about this, as the IP address changes every time. Or is there a way? HyperGaruda ( talk) 20:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The Annoying Editor strikes again.... After reading the information about the lock Bogomolov.PL mentions, it appears to me that every anonymous IP adress will be affected. It would be unfair to other anonymous users who do make helpfull edits. I'm wondering if there is something a bit more specific so that only those IP adresses which look like 125.16x.xxx.xxx -the IP of the editor who does not like Jakarta as a capital- are excluded from editing. I realise ofcourse that there are several IPs of this kind which do not belong to the AE, but excluding only those will not be as bad as excluding every single anonymous user. HyperGaruda ( talk) 18:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but I see no reason to completely erase the Gallery section, and I see a very good reason to, at the very least, restore the Gallery section of 2010. I sometimes link directly to gallery sections, and I doubt that I'm the only one who does this. To erase a gallery section, or any section for that matter, might break links in other parts of Wikipedia. Comments? Suggestions?
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I'd just like to ask some editors to expand the economy and demography section, it contains very little substantial information. In the demography section, for example, why don't we make it similar to the style of demography section in Indonesian page. The demography section of Jakarta needs to contain information about population and its growth, religion, ethnic, and education. So, by expanding demography section, we can delete education section which has too many "red link" and is not necessary in the page. In economy section, on the other hand, we need to add more information about economy by sectors where Jakarta people work in and its growth during decades, and its challenges. I do really need your help,,, especially those who has since guarded this page Merbabu and Gunkarta. Thank you. Salam-- Mikael07 ( talk) 12:22, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
question: when clicking on Batavia i am redirected here. while quite a comprehensive article on modern Jakarta, it hardly covers the old city of Batavia at all. Jakarta was known as Batavia for hundreds of years, so is a seperate (historic) article still missing perhaps? warm regards, -- Ms.Finesse ( talk) 23:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
A hindu person by the username merbabu has made nothing but negative edits in indonesia related articles. he has repeated the same picture and all his edits in indonesian articles have been to remove any positives and exaggerate the negatives. please do this biased editing in your indian cities articles and not in indonesia related articles. all outdated reference put by this user need to be double checked. Though i must say that the putrid conditions of indian cities is really terrible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WutUdPwYMZo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.110.149 ( talk) 18:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
So, as expected, the "Look at our skyscrapers and mall" editors have taken offence at a picture of a slum. But Jakarta is not just skyscrapers, toll roads, and monuments. Where are the kampungs where the vast majority live? Kampungs are the fundamental fabric of Jakarta and this article ignores it. NPOV requires all aspects of a topic to be discussed. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC) PS - to be fair, there seems to be competition amongst all Asian city editors to over-emphasise how modern and sophisticated their cities are, while ignoring the more humble or even shameful parts. -- Merbabu ( talk) 10:48, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Where's the pictures previously featured in this article? In particular 'jakarta after the rain' and jakarta chatedral? Present pictures are boring and dusty, making the impression of being lesser city than other capital like kuala lumpur, bangkok, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.215.36.183 ( talk) 03:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
There's a section in the article High-occupancy vehicle lane mentioning countries which have HOV lanes. I've only been to Jakarta a couple of times, and I wasn't driving - but I'm sure I remember these lanes, and also the "Car Jockeys" which as far as I know are unique to the city. Could someone update the HOV article with a reference to Jakarta, add a section here, and perhaps expand my section in Slugging Thanks Number774 ( talk) 13:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
having been living in a nearby province for some time, i feel the part that says "Jakarta is not part of any province, it is controlled directly by the national government" (in the box) is quite incorrect. jakarta itself is a province consisting of 5 cities and 1 regency. jakarta has its own local government though lacking city level people's council. what the others think about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.96.82.32 ( talk) 00:14, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
The short histrory section refers to both a "Prince Jayawikarta" and a "Prince Jayakarta". I assume this is a mistake and it should be "Jayawikarta" throughout? However, the wikipedia article on the Betawi People lists a "Sultan Jayakarta" among notable Betawi people. Is "Sultan Jayakarta" the same person as "Prince Jayakarta", the same as "Prince Jayawikarta"? It would be great if someone knowledgeable could clean this up a bit and bring clarity. Thank you. Pontus rosen ( talk) 07:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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I learn that User talk:Rachman227 insist to add too many pictures. They are lovely I agree, but I think those images has overwhelmed the article, they just too much, and might harmed the featured article status of this article. The images should help the reader to understand the subjects better, instead of cluttering the page. Image should not sandwiching the article/body text. Wikipedia article is not an image gallery. Please learn more on Wikipedia:Manual of Style especially the section MoS:IMAGES. I will revert to a more stable and lean version with less pictures. Any suggestions, opinions, and objections are welcome and should be discussed in this talk page to reach consensus to avoid edit war. Thank you. Gunkarta talk 16:40, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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See Provinces of Indonesia, Jakarta is one of 34 provinces of Indonesia. In Indonesia, province is the highest tier of the local government or level I region, while city or regency is on level II region. (Jakarta is not a city)
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Jakarta is a province, official name is Special Capital Region of Jakarta. Other region such as Aceh, Special Region of Yogyakarta, Papua, and West Papua is also a province, not Special Region. Hddty. ( talk) 03:48, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Merbabu said "they may be newer and higher res. But they are worse pictures". First off, that is a very subjective claim, you can't just revert the montage based on the justification that you think they are worse pictures. You said it yourself, they are newer and higher resolution, which are the two standard key elements to an effective montage and ultimately, makes them in fact better pictures. "Previous montage had far more iconic and representative photos", okay, so? I chose only a select bunch of landmarks in the montage to summarize the city. If you look at London, Paris, NYC, Tokyo, etc. all of their montages are simple and only show a few select key landmarks. There are many more iconic sights in each city that could have been featured, but those sights are instead shown in elsewhere in article. All of the landmarks from the outdated previous montage that I left out are, yes, shown elsewhere on the page. The size differences is not nearly as drastic to warrant it "too bloated" or "bigger than big". The size is pretty standard, as a matter of fact. Why make this a big deal? ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 22:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
"The primary purpose and criteria to judge a photo in an article is how it works with the rest of the page". As you didn't seem to address this point that I made, I am not going to bother rewriting the same thing.
Copying & paste what I wrote before: "If you look at London, Paris, NYC, Tokyo, etc. all of their montages are simple [yet informative] and only show a few select key landmarks. There are many more iconic sights in each city that could have been featured, but those sights are instead shown in elsewhere in article. All of the landmarks from the outdated previous montage that I left out are, yes, shown elsewhere on the page."
The stadium shot is iconic, mosque is well composed, the hotel looks excellent and so on and so forth, that's great! You can replace the photos that are already found within the article to your preferred ones, I don't care. I only chose a few perhaps the MOST iconic landmarks to include in the montage. Literally every city has stadiums, what makes the one in Jakarta strikingly different? Does it really need to be included in the montage? It's just a stadium (and it's already seen in the sports section).
Though the I added the Gama Tower in my proposed montage as it is the tallest building in the entire city, I am fine with switching it out for a more iconic landmark, you can provide a suggestion (maybe the mosque or something else, not the stadium). I don't really find the current monas image that much strikingly better as you described, but honestly it could go either way, that's not a big of a deal.
The Taman Mini Indonesia Indah castle is the most iconic and recognizable landmark of the entire park. It instantly says "Jakarta!" with its unique color, and at least it's more recognizable than the museum. I chuckled a bit when you wrote this, how useful do you think readers will find images of "slums and pollution" in in the infobox montage? It be should be simple and contain images that are representative AND useful to understanding the city and its sites. This is an encyclopedia, not a news article. Take everything with a grain of salt. And yes, the claim "the previous photos are worse" is a very subjective claim. I never went out of the blue said anything you've done is better or worse, I actually analyzed the elements of each component of the montage and determined which one is more suitable.
So in summary, the montage
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Noting there was no agreement on the change from this montage - it was only changed a week or so ago - by Nikon alone. I did agree, I simply relented. And now an anon IP also reverted back to the old montage. I also note that Nikon also said we could change them. However, current behavior suggests that Niknon is acting alone on this one. Unless there is agreement, then i suggest it is reverted back to the original. -- Merbabu ( talk) 01:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, as the creator of the old version, I would like to comments about the photo montage. I must agree to most of Merbabu's argument, the old one looks better and has a pleasant composition. However, I noted that the new skyline proposed by Nkon21 looks far better than the old one. Indeed the benefit of composing a dedicated montage in a single file is the creator could play with cropping and composition more liberally, which help to achieve better looks and better focus, which can not be done by solely using existing proportion of the selected pictures. Taking notes and opinion from you both, I proposed to improve the old one. Having move and change some images, I have upload the newer version of the montage. Hope it will be an improvement, please tell me what you think. Thank you. Gunkarta talk 17:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
In summary, my annoyance arose after you changed the montage to 100% what you wanted after 100% dismissing my concerns (not even 10% comprise was shown) only because i said I indicated that although i didn't support, i wasn't in the mood to debate. I relented, rather than us reaching agreement. As such, i would have thought you might show some collaborative skills when I was WP:BOLD and made a change to one of your six photos. Instead, you reverted and made a narky comment about a note that you provided (and which i didn't read, and wasn't required anyway as we have policies on how to edit), and claimed it was against "consensus". And, consensus is not "winner takes all". -- Merbabu ( talk) 06:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)