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The lead section of the article claims that: "the great success of The Lord of the Rings led directly to a popular resurgence of the genre", and links to
Works inspired by J. R. R. Tolkien in support of this claim. The "popular resurgence" claim is problematic. Yes, there were earlier fantasy writers like Morris, Dunsany, Cabell, Eddison, etc., but at the time LOTR was published, there was not yet a cohesive fantasy tradition from which to "resurge".
I am surprised to see how nothing has been written concerning the fact that Tolkien was born in the Republic of South Africa. It does show Bloemfontein but more could've been mentioned to that effect. Why do people mostly want to associate Africa with disease, starvation, and just poverty? The writer obviously benefitted SOMETHING from Africa. The article must be edited to show a clearer picture.
45.215.254.1 (
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19:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the thoughts. He left SA when still very young. Some scholars have suggested that
Shelob the giant spider owes something to a childhood memory (covered over there); otherwise there is little that could possibly be mentioned here.
Chiswick Chap (
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19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The article currently says The scholar
Tom Shippey refers to Tolkien as one of the authors of the 20th century and one of the most influential authors of all time. That Tolkien was "one of the authors of the 20th century" is of course correct (if trivial), but it seems pretty obvious that Shippey made a more specific statement than that. Ping
Chiswick Chap who might know what was intended.
TompaDompa (
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15:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Shippey's phrase was "author of the century", implying somewhat boldly that he was the
Muhammad Ali of fiction writers. I guess someone had a go at toning this down and came up with the current incomprehensible waffle. I'll put it back but please feel free to rephrase it, intelligibly, as you like.
Chiswick Chap (
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16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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The lead section of the article claims that: "the great success of The Lord of the Rings led directly to a popular resurgence of the genre", and links to
Works inspired by J. R. R. Tolkien in support of this claim. The "popular resurgence" claim is problematic. Yes, there were earlier fantasy writers like Morris, Dunsany, Cabell, Eddison, etc., but at the time LOTR was published, there was not yet a cohesive fantasy tradition from which to "resurge".
I am surprised to see how nothing has been written concerning the fact that Tolkien was born in the Republic of South Africa. It does show Bloemfontein but more could've been mentioned to that effect. Why do people mostly want to associate Africa with disease, starvation, and just poverty? The writer obviously benefitted SOMETHING from Africa. The article must be edited to show a clearer picture.
45.215.254.1 (
talk)
19:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the thoughts. He left SA when still very young. Some scholars have suggested that
Shelob the giant spider owes something to a childhood memory (covered over there); otherwise there is little that could possibly be mentioned here.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
19:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The article currently says The scholar
Tom Shippey refers to Tolkien as one of the authors of the 20th century and one of the most influential authors of all time. That Tolkien was "one of the authors of the 20th century" is of course correct (if trivial), but it seems pretty obvious that Shippey made a more specific statement than that. Ping
Chiswick Chap who might know what was intended.
TompaDompa (
talk)
15:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Shippey's phrase was "author of the century", implying somewhat boldly that he was the
Muhammad Ali of fiction writers. I guess someone had a go at toning this down and came up with the current incomprehensible waffle. I'll put it back but please feel free to rephrase it, intelligibly, as you like.
Chiswick Chap (
talk)
16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply