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Change his Wonderlic test score to 31 Sources:
BrytonK ( talk) 03:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC) BrytonK
"Because of his knack for batting balls down at the line of scrimmage, he was nicknamed "J.J. Swatt" by Monday Night Football commentator and former NFL head coach Jon Gruden.[10]"
This is incorrect. According to this link, Gruden dubbed Watt "JJ Swat" during the Monday night game on October 8th. That nickname was in use before Gruden's comment. On September 12th NFL writer John McClain wrote the following piece:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/09/j-j-swat-suits-watt-just-fine/
I believe that the line mentioned above should be removed from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.38.99.226 ( talk) 01:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no information about his 2013 season? Can someone add this section? Natg 19 ( talk) 22:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the season stats section at the bottom of 'Professional Career' - What the hell does SWOQB mean? It's not a part of the source table on ESPN, and I can't find any other usage of this phrase in relation to football at all. And yet, he apparently recorded a SWOQB this year all the same. The only page I can find referencing this term is this exact page and nowhere else. Can we either find out what that means or remove it from the table? 217.44.116.178 ( talk) 09:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
While expanding this specific athlete's page, I have noticed that there are more and more athletes popping up with their statistics from the current season. I plan on expanding on JJ Watt's current season with The Houston Texans. Is there anything else anyone has noticed that would be beneficial for me to add? I do not mind putting in the work to expand this page in any way that I can. Thank you in advance for any feedback.( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Anything anyone would like to see added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I have come up with a list of eight sources that I found to be most beneficial when adding to JJ's charity section of 2015. Here is he list I came up with:
Resources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
References
( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
After researching these articles, I will use that information to build a section to add to his charity work. Introduction: To begin, I will build off of the 2014 year of charity work. From there, I will introduce his charity softball game of 2015 and it's unbelievable turn out. Paragraph: Here, I will break down everything he has done in 2015 leading up to his charity game and how it has such a huge impact on the community. By discussing the numbers, turn out, sponsors, and everything that goes into the event, it will be beneficial for readers to have a better understanding of everything he does on and off of the field. Conclusion: I will discuss why this is important to the Houston area and all the children that benefit every single day from his work. ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems like you have a lot of really great information to contribute to this page, Chrissy! I recall seeing that J.J. Watt has been doing a lot of publicity things lately along with his charity work such as commercials. I would be interested in hearing more about this because I think it does a lot in preserving his current star image. Jaylinclevenger ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you for the feedback! ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 17:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC) )
I think adding the stats on his page weekly is a great idea and is very beneficial to the page however, I would not count that as a meaningful addition to the page. I took a look at all your sources they look reliable and constructive to his page. I also noticed his personal life section was a little smaller than the rest, I'd like to hear more about his brothers who also play football and his family life. Be careful about being biased with your additions as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshewuh2 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I agree, it might be hard but just facts! ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 22:20, 8 November 2015 (UTC) )
I agree that adding to the public image portion makes it less bias. For example: How has the public reacted to his charity work, and what led to the start? Also I think since he is a successful athlete, he has probably won awards and maybe you could mention some of them? His while career is an accomplishment but maybe you could add a section that specifically focuses on it? I don't know much about football, and so from my perspective I would want it to be reader friendly for people like me :) Other than that great sources and good luck!
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06:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Montse
Missing section for his filmography. He's been in 3 things: The League (as himself), the New Girl (as himself) and the film Bad Moms as "Coach Craig".
For reference: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4457043/?ref_=nv_sr_1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.84.87 ( talk) 00:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Watt's 2016 season became short-lived as he played only three games with eight tackles, 1.5 sacks, and a fumble recovery. On September 29, he underwent back surgery again, and was officially ruled out for the rest of the season. [1]
References
50.29.199.144 ( talk) 12:55, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: MOVED. ( non-admin closure) Per WP:COMMONNAME, the title of this article should not have the space. The oppose rationales are mostly either that Wikipedia should use its own style or based on how other names are usually written. These arguments are not in accordance with policy. KSF T C 17:52, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
J. J. Watt →
J.J. Watt –
MOS:INITIALS states "An initial is followed by a full stop (period) and a space unless an overwhelming majority of reliable sources do otherwise for that person." (My emphasis). It's abundantly clear just by looking at the reference section that nearly every source excludes a space between each J. This also includes
NFL.com,
ESPN,
Pro-Football-Reference, and the
Texans.
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1) Wikipedia has a set of consistent guidelines. The space between initials is one of such guidelines. Consistency in the application of Wikipedia's guidelines is equally important — otherwise we would be faced with a set of randomly and/or arbitrarily selected names with spaced and un-spaced initials on the basis of stylistic inconsistencies in capitalization and spacing that have commonly appeared in the past decades, to say nothing of past centuries (for example, "is"/"was" in titles, instead of "Is"/"Was", per MOS:CT).
2) It is sufficient to glance at List of literary initials to imagine the result of various submissions that, for example, D. H. Lawrence usually appears on book covers as D.H. Lawrence or that T. S. Elliot is usually seen as T.S. Elliot or that W. H. Auden should be rendered as W.H. Auden, due to such forms appearing in various WP:RELIABLE SOURCES.
3) The sole "J. J. Watt" example presented at MOS:INITIALS is the relatively rare CC Sabathia — rare because the initials of the given names are unpunctuated. In a cursory search, not a single example of un-spaced punctuated initials can be found (not counting the punctuated lowercase entry for k.d. lang). If one or a handful of other entries is ultimately unearthed, it is almost certainly because these articles escaped notice, rather than as a result of a discussion and vote which confirmed them in such form. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
If this article doesn't meet that criteria, I'm not sure what article ever would.this is exactly the point of having a house style. Instances where an individual explicitly names one style of spacing and punctuation as the one we must use, or where sources are consciously united on an issue of this nature, are incredibly rare. This is similar to the long-running debate at WP:JR. So far, I'm not sure there is one single case there in which inclusion of a comma is backed up by preference or consistency of sources, and the same goes for initialisms. Perhaps it's true that no article ever would meet the criteria, and if so that's a good thing, because we prefer our house style anyway. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Where is the official announcement that JJ Watt is active for the Wild Card game? TheBigMan720 ( talk) 21:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Okay didn't realize that. TheBigMan720 ( talk) 22:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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98.102.77.34 ( talk) 21:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC) JJ Watts number is 99
Some info within the Personal life section duplicates content from Early life section. Typically, duplication isn't needed because the page should stand as an entire, progressive article. Suggest that info about family, brothers, hockey, and school should be in Early life (combining citations as needed) to clean up the page. Then Personal life contains info about the person as an adult, and may relate to or expand on information from prior sections.
There may be others, but here are a few examples (sans citations):
Suggestion #1: Combine all the "hockey" within Early life: "Watt played ice hockey from age four until he was 13 years old, "primarily as a center and a goal scorer." He traveled as far as Canada and Germany for competitive tournaments. Watt also played football throughout his childhood and became passionate about the sport while he was in fifth grade. He gave up hockey to focus on football due to weekly scheduling conflicts, and due to the financial cost of the sport. ---AND THEN--- For Personal life, something like: "Because of his involvement with hockey as a child, Watt has joked that he "may or may not" use skating as part of his off-season training."
(Side note: Typo "offseason" on the page should be "off-season".)
Suggestion #2: Combine all birth-family info into Early life, eliminating NFL info that can be included later: "Watt was born in Pewaukee, Wisconsin to parents Connie, a building operations vice president, and John, a firefighter. Watt's younger brothers are Derek and Trent Jordan ("T.J.") Watt." ---<NEW PARAGRAPH>--- "Watt played ice hockey... " (use Suggestion #1 as edit from here..) ---AND THEN--- For Personal life, something like: "Both of J.J.'s younger brothers are players in the NFL; as of the 2022-23 season, fullback Derek and outside linebacker T.J. both play for the Pittsburgh Steelers." 70.162.40.89 ( talk) 16:48, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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Change his Wonderlic test score to 31 Sources:
BrytonK ( talk) 03:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC) BrytonK
"Because of his knack for batting balls down at the line of scrimmage, he was nicknamed "J.J. Swatt" by Monday Night Football commentator and former NFL head coach Jon Gruden.[10]"
This is incorrect. According to this link, Gruden dubbed Watt "JJ Swat" during the Monday night game on October 8th. That nickname was in use before Gruden's comment. On September 12th NFL writer John McClain wrote the following piece:
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/09/j-j-swat-suits-watt-just-fine/
I believe that the line mentioned above should be removed from this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.38.99.226 ( talk) 01:25, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no information about his 2013 season? Can someone add this section? Natg 19 ( talk) 22:46, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Looking at the season stats section at the bottom of 'Professional Career' - What the hell does SWOQB mean? It's not a part of the source table on ESPN, and I can't find any other usage of this phrase in relation to football at all. And yet, he apparently recorded a SWOQB this year all the same. The only page I can find referencing this term is this exact page and nowhere else. Can we either find out what that means or remove it from the table? 217.44.116.178 ( talk) 09:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
While expanding this specific athlete's page, I have noticed that there are more and more athletes popping up with their statistics from the current season. I plan on expanding on JJ Watt's current season with The Houston Texans. Is there anything else anyone has noticed that would be beneficial for me to add? I do not mind putting in the work to expand this page in any way that I can. Thank you in advance for any feedback.( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 22:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Anything anyone would like to see added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I have come up with a list of eight sources that I found to be most beneficial when adding to JJ's charity section of 2015. Here is he list I came up with:
Resources: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
References
( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:32, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
After researching these articles, I will use that information to build a section to add to his charity work. Introduction: To begin, I will build off of the 2014 year of charity work. From there, I will introduce his charity softball game of 2015 and it's unbelievable turn out. Paragraph: Here, I will break down everything he has done in 2015 leading up to his charity game and how it has such a huge impact on the community. By discussing the numbers, turn out, sponsors, and everything that goes into the event, it will be beneficial for readers to have a better understanding of everything he does on and off of the field. Conclusion: I will discuss why this is important to the Houston area and all the children that benefit every single day from his work. ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2015 (UTC) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrissy333 ( talk • contribs) 04:36, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
It seems like you have a lot of really great information to contribute to this page, Chrissy! I recall seeing that J.J. Watt has been doing a lot of publicity things lately along with his charity work such as commercials. I would be interested in hearing more about this because I think it does a lot in preserving his current star image. Jaylinclevenger ( talk) 23:11, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you for the feedback! ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 17:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC) )
I think adding the stats on his page weekly is a great idea and is very beneficial to the page however, I would not count that as a meaningful addition to the page. I took a look at all your sources they look reliable and constructive to his page. I also noticed his personal life section was a little smaller than the rest, I'd like to hear more about his brothers who also play football and his family life. Be careful about being biased with your additions as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshewuh2 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I agree, it might be hard but just facts! ( Chrissy333 ( talk) 22:20, 8 November 2015 (UTC) )
I agree that adding to the public image portion makes it less bias. For example: How has the public reacted to his charity work, and what led to the start? Also I think since he is a successful athlete, he has probably won awards and maybe you could mention some of them? His while career is an accomplishment but maybe you could add a section that specifically focuses on it? I don't know much about football, and so from my perspective I would want it to be reader friendly for people like me :) Other than that great sources and good luck!
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talk)
06:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Montse
Missing section for his filmography. He's been in 3 things: The League (as himself), the New Girl (as himself) and the film Bad Moms as "Coach Craig".
For reference: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4457043/?ref_=nv_sr_1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.84.87 ( talk) 00:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
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Watt's 2016 season became short-lived as he played only three games with eight tackles, 1.5 sacks, and a fumble recovery. On September 29, he underwent back surgery again, and was officially ruled out for the rest of the season. [1]
References
50.29.199.144 ( talk) 12:55, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 27 January 2017. The result of the move review was 'Overturned'. |
The result of the move request was: MOVED. ( non-admin closure) Per WP:COMMONNAME, the title of this article should not have the space. The oppose rationales are mostly either that Wikipedia should use its own style or based on how other names are usually written. These arguments are not in accordance with policy. KSF T C 17:52, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
J. J. Watt →
J.J. Watt –
MOS:INITIALS states "An initial is followed by a full stop (period) and a space unless an overwhelming majority of reliable sources do otherwise for that person." (My emphasis). It's abundantly clear just by looking at the reference section that nearly every source excludes a space between each J. This also includes
NFL.com,
ESPN,
Pro-Football-Reference, and the
Texans.
Lizard (
talk)
12:10, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
1) Wikipedia has a set of consistent guidelines. The space between initials is one of such guidelines. Consistency in the application of Wikipedia's guidelines is equally important — otherwise we would be faced with a set of randomly and/or arbitrarily selected names with spaced and un-spaced initials on the basis of stylistic inconsistencies in capitalization and spacing that have commonly appeared in the past decades, to say nothing of past centuries (for example, "is"/"was" in titles, instead of "Is"/"Was", per MOS:CT).
2) It is sufficient to glance at List of literary initials to imagine the result of various submissions that, for example, D. H. Lawrence usually appears on book covers as D.H. Lawrence or that T. S. Elliot is usually seen as T.S. Elliot or that W. H. Auden should be rendered as W.H. Auden, due to such forms appearing in various WP:RELIABLE SOURCES.
3) The sole "J. J. Watt" example presented at MOS:INITIALS is the relatively rare CC Sabathia — rare because the initials of the given names are unpunctuated. In a cursory search, not a single example of un-spaced punctuated initials can be found (not counting the punctuated lowercase entry for k.d. lang). If one or a handful of other entries is ultimately unearthed, it is almost certainly because these articles escaped notice, rather than as a result of a discussion and vote which confirmed them in such form. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
If this article doesn't meet that criteria, I'm not sure what article ever would.this is exactly the point of having a house style. Instances where an individual explicitly names one style of spacing and punctuation as the one we must use, or where sources are consciously united on an issue of this nature, are incredibly rare. This is similar to the long-running debate at WP:JR. So far, I'm not sure there is one single case there in which inclusion of a comma is backed up by preference or consistency of sources, and the same goes for initialisms. Perhaps it's true that no article ever would meet the criteria, and if so that's a good thing, because we prefer our house style anyway. — Amakuru ( talk) 10:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Where is the official announcement that JJ Watt is active for the Wild Card game? TheBigMan720 ( talk) 21:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
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98.102.77.34 ( talk) 21:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC) JJ Watts number is 99
Some info within the Personal life section duplicates content from Early life section. Typically, duplication isn't needed because the page should stand as an entire, progressive article. Suggest that info about family, brothers, hockey, and school should be in Early life (combining citations as needed) to clean up the page. Then Personal life contains info about the person as an adult, and may relate to or expand on information from prior sections.
There may be others, but here are a few examples (sans citations):
Suggestion #1: Combine all the "hockey" within Early life: "Watt played ice hockey from age four until he was 13 years old, "primarily as a center and a goal scorer." He traveled as far as Canada and Germany for competitive tournaments. Watt also played football throughout his childhood and became passionate about the sport while he was in fifth grade. He gave up hockey to focus on football due to weekly scheduling conflicts, and due to the financial cost of the sport. ---AND THEN--- For Personal life, something like: "Because of his involvement with hockey as a child, Watt has joked that he "may or may not" use skating as part of his off-season training."
(Side note: Typo "offseason" on the page should be "off-season".)
Suggestion #2: Combine all birth-family info into Early life, eliminating NFL info that can be included later: "Watt was born in Pewaukee, Wisconsin to parents Connie, a building operations vice president, and John, a firefighter. Watt's younger brothers are Derek and Trent Jordan ("T.J.") Watt." ---<NEW PARAGRAPH>--- "Watt played ice hockey... " (use Suggestion #1 as edit from here..) ---AND THEN--- For Personal life, something like: "Both of J.J.'s younger brothers are players in the NFL; as of the 2022-23 season, fullback Derek and outside linebacker T.J. both play for the Pittsburgh Steelers." 70.162.40.89 ( talk) 16:48, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
All Pro count is off 2600:4040:254D:5B00:3069:2C2D:AD23:D719 ( talk) 20:37, 18 February 2023 (UTC)