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The result of the move request was: moved to Iz One per discussion below. ( page mover nac) The editor whose username is Z0 09:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
IZ*ONE → ? – The title should be either Iz One or IZONE. The current title is a stylisation, as indicated in the article (also, the title in the lead is inconsistent with the page name), and it cannot stay. I propose the name to be Iz One, as it fits the Wikipedia guidelines of avoiding capitals and [following] standard English text formatting and capitalization practices. On the other hand, I saw sources (although none of them is considered reliable by WP:KOREA) using "IZONE", eg. [1] [2]. — bieχχ ( talk) 20:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Can we get the Korean romanization for the group name listed instead of pronounced "aiz won". The Japanese romanization is Aizuwan but one of the editors did not want to retain that. I can't tell if it should be pronounced "is one", "eyes one", "eye zee one" AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
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Per MOS:TMRULES, please leave the title to be Iz One. "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices" and "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 16:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
'"IZ*ONEis the offcial name. Not Iz One Why you have change 'PureRED'?? Please explain. Yè Myat Thiha ( talk) 16:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Snowflake91, please start a new request move instead of adding to this thread. This could go the way of M*A*S*H, but needs to be agreed upon formally, now that the group has been out for over a year. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
An edit war over the group's origin stakes is taking place (the mirror is quite vivid, eh?)–it was previously assumed that "South Korean–Japanese girl group" is more than sufficient, seeing as how Iz One was conceived through a joint partnership between Mnet and Japan's AKB48 (as reiterated in the article). However, an editor made a valid claim that it was a sole Mnet production, thus rendering them "South Korean" as I can gather from their edit summaries. @ Heolkpop: brought on references that cite Billboard, The Korea Herald and The Korea Times for "South Korean-Japanese", the other user has not. Any input is appreciated, more so those familiar with Wikipedia policy. Currently, as the article omits both nationalities "girl group formed through [...] Produce 48" is pretty neutral to me; this whole thing just reminds me of Chinese Taipei. diplomat’s son ( talk+ contrib) 03:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Iz One is a joint project group by Korean Mnet and Japanese AKB48 Group. For example, Cosmic Girls is a collaboration between the Korean Starship Entertainment and the Chinese Yuehua Entertainment, hence it is known as the South Korean-Chinese group. So it makes more sense for Iz One to be known as South Korean-Japanese on top of the sources provided. Heolkpop ( talk) 07:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Mkenny6: When one more than source is used as a reference (in this case, three sources are provided), it is obvious that these sources are used to fact check. There are many Korean and Western sources that use "South Korean-Japanese" so it is not disputable at all. I still do not understand what you are trying to achieve here. Firstly, you keep adding in "... 9 Korean members and 3 Japanese members". Then a few hours later, you changed to a different stance. Can you please be more consistent? Heolkpop ( talk) 07:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
References
What are you talking about? Have you ever wondered what people would think if they did not know about this group and saw Wikipedia information? Again, this group is a pure Kpop group. Can you say this group is Jpop genre because Japanese members are in it? Please do not distort the essence by hanging on a superficial source. In your theory, TWICE is also J-pop genre? I really really ask you to see the essence!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I would just like to report the existence of Kwon Ebi (sic). -- Chiya 92 08:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
It has came to my attention that someone has decided to edit the Oricon sales of IZ*ONE to reflect the Billboard sales instead. Not only do I find this misleading since every single Korean artist and Japan artist uses Oricon as their sales reference, 48/46 group Wiki's clarify the distinction between Oricon and Billboard. This seems like a misleading attempt to make their numbers seem more flashy when they are already doing well already. If someone wants to use Billboard that is fine but do what 48/46 wikis do have two separate tabs for the both of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ONCEZONE ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 03:33, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Iz One → Iz*One – Per MoS, "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." All highly reliable K-pop sources ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.) are using IZ*ONE, and by omitting the all-caps stylzations, it should be Iz*One. Snowflake91 ( talk) 19:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Since Produce X 101#Vote manipulation investigation is starting to overlap with Produce 48, Iz*One, X1, and Idol School, you are welcome to join the discussion taking place at Talk:Produce X 101#Split proposal to see how we can split the article, or if it is needed at this time. Your input is appreciated. Thank you! lullabying ( talk) 21:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Why is User:Nguyen_QuocTrung so keen on removing the absolutely necessary information that the group is currently on hiatus? Rka001 ( talk) 17:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @ Lullabying:, thank you for your opinion but the Official label (OFF THE RECORD) clearly specified as a single [3] and it is released in many type. In Japan, many artist release single, it called the Maxi single that seems like the EP (more 4-5 track in CD or download) but it is one type of the single. For example sister group AKB48, Teacher Teacher (AKB48 song) is the 52nd single. It is released many type. Type A has 6 track, Type B has 6 track, but the official called it be a single. So I think the wiki page should refer same the official label. ( talk) 21:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I understand from the previous post that the Japanese releases are put in both the singles and EP section because physical sales=physical, EP=digital special edition.
As far as I know, though, Suki to Iwasetai was never released differently online; if you look on Spotify or Apple Music, you will see the WIZ*ONE edition, the Type A edition and the Type B edition (like they are sold physically). Furthermore, where are the sales for Suki to Iwasetai in the EP section coming from? Source #117, which is listed next to the sales number of 2,555 copies makes no mention of either アイズワン or 好きと言わせたい.
While I don't 100% agree with separating it, I guess it's also not my place to say "let's merge it," but shouldn't we at least make it more obvious what's going on? The EP "Buenos Aires" and the single "Buenos Aires" refer to the same thing – the single doesn't only refer to the one song, but the Maxi Single, as they call it in Japan. The 'single' contains the same songs as the EP (except that the 'single' has the songs split across three versions, while the EP has them all combined in a so-called Special Edition). The same goes for Vampire. I'm not sure the note is effective enough in conveying the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonjourmarlene ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I am currently working on the above draft for the group as the "Awards" section in the main article is too large to stay there. It's already been converted to the all-in-one table format. The article would have been moved to the mainspace earlier but there is a redirect that needs deleting first (which I have requested assistance from another editor for). Once this has been done, I'll publish the list. To save any further changes being made to the "Awards" section, that would then have to be copied to the draft, I am going to temporarily delete the awards section. When the article is published, I will restore the section and link the new article there. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DRAFT IN THE MEAN TIME!!! --
Carlobunnie (
talk)
02:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Jade.parker123/sandbox. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 4#Jade.parker123/sandbox until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 ( 𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 08:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
See Draft:Lee Chae-yeon (singer, born 2000) to review! - St3095 (?) 13:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 11:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Iz*One → IZ*ONE – No reliable source that I know of uses the "Iz*One" capitalization. Per MOS:TM, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one" (emphasis mine). Wikipedia definitely seems to be inventing a new style here, and it looks very unnatural. nyuszika7h ( talk) 12:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
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This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
The result of the move request was: moved to Iz One per discussion below. ( page mover nac) The editor whose username is Z0 09:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
IZ*ONE → ? – The title should be either Iz One or IZONE. The current title is a stylisation, as indicated in the article (also, the title in the lead is inconsistent with the page name), and it cannot stay. I propose the name to be Iz One, as it fits the Wikipedia guidelines of avoiding capitals and [following] standard English text formatting and capitalization practices. On the other hand, I saw sources (although none of them is considered reliable by WP:KOREA) using "IZONE", eg. [1] [2]. — bieχχ ( talk) 20:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Can we get the Korean romanization for the group name listed instead of pronounced "aiz won". The Japanese romanization is Aizuwan but one of the editors did not want to retain that. I can't tell if it should be pronounced "is one", "eyes one", "eye zee one" AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 11:21, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Per MOS:TMRULES, please leave the title to be Iz One. "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices" and "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 16:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
'"IZ*ONEis the offcial name. Not Iz One Why you have change 'PureRED'?? Please explain. Yè Myat Thiha ( talk) 16:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Snowflake91, please start a new request move instead of adding to this thread. This could go the way of M*A*S*H, but needs to be agreed upon formally, now that the group has been out for over a year. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 19:07, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
An edit war over the group's origin stakes is taking place (the mirror is quite vivid, eh?)–it was previously assumed that "South Korean–Japanese girl group" is more than sufficient, seeing as how Iz One was conceived through a joint partnership between Mnet and Japan's AKB48 (as reiterated in the article). However, an editor made a valid claim that it was a sole Mnet production, thus rendering them "South Korean" as I can gather from their edit summaries. @ Heolkpop: brought on references that cite Billboard, The Korea Herald and The Korea Times for "South Korean-Japanese", the other user has not. Any input is appreciated, more so those familiar with Wikipedia policy. Currently, as the article omits both nationalities "girl group formed through [...] Produce 48" is pretty neutral to me; this whole thing just reminds me of Chinese Taipei. diplomat’s son ( talk+ contrib) 03:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Iz One is a joint project group by Korean Mnet and Japanese AKB48 Group. For example, Cosmic Girls is a collaboration between the Korean Starship Entertainment and the Chinese Yuehua Entertainment, hence it is known as the South Korean-Chinese group. So it makes more sense for Iz One to be known as South Korean-Japanese on top of the sources provided. Heolkpop ( talk) 07:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
Mkenny6: When one more than source is used as a reference (in this case, three sources are provided), it is obvious that these sources are used to fact check. There are many Korean and Western sources that use "South Korean-Japanese" so it is not disputable at all. I still do not understand what you are trying to achieve here. Firstly, you keep adding in "... 9 Korean members and 3 Japanese members". Then a few hours later, you changed to a different stance. Can you please be more consistent? Heolkpop ( talk) 07:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
References
What are you talking about? Have you ever wondered what people would think if they did not know about this group and saw Wikipedia information? Again, this group is a pure Kpop group. Can you say this group is Jpop genre because Japanese members are in it? Please do not distort the essence by hanging on a superficial source. In your theory, TWICE is also J-pop genre? I really really ask you to see the essence!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkenny6 ( talk • contribs) 19:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
I would just like to report the existence of Kwon Ebi (sic). -- Chiya 92 08:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
It has came to my attention that someone has decided to edit the Oricon sales of IZ*ONE to reflect the Billboard sales instead. Not only do I find this misleading since every single Korean artist and Japan artist uses Oricon as their sales reference, 48/46 group Wiki's clarify the distinction between Oricon and Billboard. This seems like a misleading attempt to make their numbers seem more flashy when they are already doing well already. If someone wants to use Billboard that is fine but do what 48/46 wikis do have two separate tabs for the both of them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ONCEZONE ( talk • contribs) 19:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. ( non-admin closure) Steel1943 ( talk) 03:33, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Iz One → Iz*One – Per MoS, "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words or letters (e.g., "♥" used for "love", "!" used for "i") or for normal punctuation, unless a significant majority of reliable sources that are independent of the subject consistently include the special character in the subject's name." All highly reliable K-pop sources ( 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.) are using IZ*ONE, and by omitting the all-caps stylzations, it should be Iz*One. Snowflake91 ( talk) 19:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Since Produce X 101#Vote manipulation investigation is starting to overlap with Produce 48, Iz*One, X1, and Idol School, you are welcome to join the discussion taking place at Talk:Produce X 101#Split proposal to see how we can split the article, or if it is needed at this time. Your input is appreciated. Thank you! lullabying ( talk) 21:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Why is User:Nguyen_QuocTrung so keen on removing the absolutely necessary information that the group is currently on hiatus? Rka001 ( talk) 17:37, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @ Lullabying:, thank you for your opinion but the Official label (OFF THE RECORD) clearly specified as a single [3] and it is released in many type. In Japan, many artist release single, it called the Maxi single that seems like the EP (more 4-5 track in CD or download) but it is one type of the single. For example sister group AKB48, Teacher Teacher (AKB48 song) is the 52nd single. It is released many type. Type A has 6 track, Type B has 6 track, but the official called it be a single. So I think the wiki page should refer same the official label. ( talk) 21:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I understand from the previous post that the Japanese releases are put in both the singles and EP section because physical sales=physical, EP=digital special edition.
As far as I know, though, Suki to Iwasetai was never released differently online; if you look on Spotify or Apple Music, you will see the WIZ*ONE edition, the Type A edition and the Type B edition (like they are sold physically). Furthermore, where are the sales for Suki to Iwasetai in the EP section coming from? Source #117, which is listed next to the sales number of 2,555 copies makes no mention of either アイズワン or 好きと言わせたい.
While I don't 100% agree with separating it, I guess it's also not my place to say "let's merge it," but shouldn't we at least make it more obvious what's going on? The EP "Buenos Aires" and the single "Buenos Aires" refer to the same thing – the single doesn't only refer to the one song, but the Maxi Single, as they call it in Japan. The 'single' contains the same songs as the EP (except that the 'single' has the songs split across three versions, while the EP has them all combined in a so-called Special Edition). The same goes for Vampire. I'm not sure the note is effective enough in conveying the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonjourmarlene ( talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
I am currently working on the above draft for the group as the "Awards" section in the main article is too large to stay there. It's already been converted to the all-in-one table format. The article would have been moved to the mainspace earlier but there is a redirect that needs deleting first (which I have requested assistance from another editor for). Once this has been done, I'll publish the list. To save any further changes being made to the "Awards" section, that would then have to be copied to the draft, I am going to temporarily delete the awards section. When the article is published, I will restore the section and link the new article there. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DRAFT IN THE MEAN TIME!!! --
Carlobunnie (
talk)
02:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Jade.parker123/sandbox. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 4#Jade.parker123/sandbox until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 ( 𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 08:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
See Draft:Lee Chae-yeon (singer, born 2000) to review! - St3095 (?) 13:07, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 11:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Iz*One → IZ*ONE – No reliable source that I know of uses the "Iz*One" capitalization. Per MOS:TM, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization practices, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official", as long as this is a style already in widespread use, rather than inventing a new one" (emphasis mine). Wikipedia definitely seems to be inventing a new style here, and it looks very unnatural. nyuszika7h ( talk) 12:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Iz*One has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
change past members to members Alfarta ( talk) 03:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)