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"This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science Fiction" Why ? It is not a science fiction film 80.229.222.48 11:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
What about Scotland and Wales? Not even mentioned in this article- does the film just ignore them, or is there some mention in the plot? Badgerpatrol 10:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
At one point in the film a speech on the radio (in the background) is addressed at the "people of Britain" other than that there is no mention of Britain as a single entity -just "England". It is possible that the occupying forces have decided to govern Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (or the whole of Ireland) as seperate entities. Although given the actual wartime Nazi policy in other (Western) occupied countries of preserving existing government structures and institutions as much as possible this seems rather unlikely. 80.229.222.48 18:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
One possible flaw in the plot of an otherwise good film? If the Nazi's had successfully invaded and occupied Britain why would the US forces have undertaken a landing in Britain when in order to defeat the Nazi's it would almost certainly have been necessarily to subsequently undertake another landing (having lost the any advantage of surprise second time around) on the European continent (or failing that abandon the entire continent to the advancing Soviet forces). As such landings tend to be extremely costly in terms of casualties (military and civilian), equipment losses and destruction of infrastructure it would have made more sense for the Americans to land directly on the continent bypassing Britain for the time being until the war had been won. The fact that this is exactly what the British did in relation to the Channel Islands lends credence to such a scenario. In any case by late July 1945 undertaking a landing anywhere wouldnt have made a lot of sense in the light of other developments. 80.229.222.48 ( talk) 20:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Following an upsurge in partisan activity in her area in July 1945, she (Pauline) is forcibly evacuated from her village by the Nazis
The only reference to a precise date was (fairly late on in the film) a notice for funeral service for an assassinated member of the IAO dated 21st July 1945. Presumably therefore the evacuation of the villagers would have taken place a few months earlier (Most likely in the winter/early spring of 1944/45 given the early onset of darkness during the village scenes) although it still raises the question of why the Americans were landing in Britain in late July/Aug 1945 after the success of the Manhattan project ? 213.40.254.31 ( talk) 11:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Did the film makers ever give any explanation for deciding to use Neo-nazi's like Colin Jordan ? Surely the parts could just as easily have been played by ordinary actors who wouldnt have aroused as much controversy. And what other neo-nazi's were used in the film ? 213.40.220.139 ( talk) 14:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
86.112.82.162 ( talk) 02:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
An interesting aspect of the film is the widely varying degree of enthusiasm among those collaborating with the occupying regime. Some characters appear to eagerly embrace the new order while others do so reluctantly seeing themselves as having little alternative or feeling that resistance is a lost cause and desperate for a return to some form of normality and order. Branding the central character as a collaborator seems somewhat harsh given how she was pressured into joining the IAO and was clearly unenthusiastic about the political aspects of the organisation she eventually fell fowl of ? 86.112.94.153 ( talk) 14:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Volk ans Gewehr was played at introduction (title sequence) and Horst-Wessel-Lied was played during the newsreel and funeral scenes but the article doesnt mention what other music was used in the film ? 86.112.66.248 ( talk) 21:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Were there any organisations similar to the IAO established in real life Nazi-occupied territories and what were they called ? 86.112.48.48 ( talk) 16:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Is the IAO supposed to have been "a politicised paramilitary (???) responsible for policing" or (as described in previous edits) "a kind of quasi-paramilitary medical corps" The latter (i.e. "medical") description would seem to be more accurate given that in the film the antifascist doctor mentions having most of his house requisitioned on account of his refusal to join "that organisation which sounds like a laxative". I suspect the idea that they may also have been involved in policing came about from the riot scene where an ambulance crew appear on the scene alongside the (obviously also heavily paramilitarised) police. However there is nothing to suggest that the police were part of the same outfit ? 89.242.194.4 ( talk) 09:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The article states that the IAO is "a kind of quasi-paramilitary medical corps of the ruling fascist party of England" while earlier stating that "England appears to be governed by the British Union of Fascists (the situation in the rest of the British Isles is unclear but presumably similar); the followers are referred to as "Blackshirts", wear uniforms with the Flash and Circle, and a framed portrait of Oswald Mosley appears in a government building, alongside one of Adolf Hitler."
In fact the film never mentions a "fascist party of England" (did such an outfit ever exist ?) It is implied (through a 1938 speech used in a radio broadcast) that Mosley is the leader but whether the "ruling party" is the BUF on its own. Or a newly created merger of the BUF, some (or all) fascist/national socialist parties and (very likely) some collaborationist/appeasementist former members of the mainstream pre-invasion parties is pure speculation. Other alternate histories on a similar theme envisage a government consisting of key members of the Conservative party such as Rothermere and Halifax. Even some ex-Labour figures could have been eligible given that Mosley himself was a former member of the ILP ! Incidentally is it Mosley's portrait hanging alongside Hitler in the IAO recruitment scene (at about 25:00) it doesnt really look like him ??? 86.112.89.3 ( talk) 20:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
We already have Category:World War II alternate histories; there's no reason for a "See also" section in this article. -- Orange Mike | Talk 15:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The audio quality (and lighting) on the opening reel is rather poor, which makes the dialog difficult to follow for the first few minutes. The book How it Happened Here gives an explanation for this. In the early stages of production the film makers through lack of experience made some errors in handling the sound recording equipment. Some of the master tapes were recorded at 4.75 cm/s (The slowest speed -economizing on tape but also giving the poorest audio quality) mistakes were also made with microphone placement. While the book doesn't mention the poor lighting in the village scenes presumably the explanation for this is similar. 94.0.215.193 ( talk) 00:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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"This article is within the scope of WikiProject Science Fiction" Why ? It is not a science fiction film 80.229.222.48 11:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
What about Scotland and Wales? Not even mentioned in this article- does the film just ignore them, or is there some mention in the plot? Badgerpatrol 10:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
At one point in the film a speech on the radio (in the background) is addressed at the "people of Britain" other than that there is no mention of Britain as a single entity -just "England". It is possible that the occupying forces have decided to govern Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland (or the whole of Ireland) as seperate entities. Although given the actual wartime Nazi policy in other (Western) occupied countries of preserving existing government structures and institutions as much as possible this seems rather unlikely. 80.229.222.48 18:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
One possible flaw in the plot of an otherwise good film? If the Nazi's had successfully invaded and occupied Britain why would the US forces have undertaken a landing in Britain when in order to defeat the Nazi's it would almost certainly have been necessarily to subsequently undertake another landing (having lost the any advantage of surprise second time around) on the European continent (or failing that abandon the entire continent to the advancing Soviet forces). As such landings tend to be extremely costly in terms of casualties (military and civilian), equipment losses and destruction of infrastructure it would have made more sense for the Americans to land directly on the continent bypassing Britain for the time being until the war had been won. The fact that this is exactly what the British did in relation to the Channel Islands lends credence to such a scenario. In any case by late July 1945 undertaking a landing anywhere wouldnt have made a lot of sense in the light of other developments. 80.229.222.48 ( talk) 20:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Following an upsurge in partisan activity in her area in July 1945, she (Pauline) is forcibly evacuated from her village by the Nazis
The only reference to a precise date was (fairly late on in the film) a notice for funeral service for an assassinated member of the IAO dated 21st July 1945. Presumably therefore the evacuation of the villagers would have taken place a few months earlier (Most likely in the winter/early spring of 1944/45 given the early onset of darkness during the village scenes) although it still raises the question of why the Americans were landing in Britain in late July/Aug 1945 after the success of the Manhattan project ? 213.40.254.31 ( talk) 11:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Did the film makers ever give any explanation for deciding to use Neo-nazi's like Colin Jordan ? Surely the parts could just as easily have been played by ordinary actors who wouldnt have aroused as much controversy. And what other neo-nazi's were used in the film ? 213.40.220.139 ( talk) 14:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
86.112.82.162 ( talk) 02:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
An interesting aspect of the film is the widely varying degree of enthusiasm among those collaborating with the occupying regime. Some characters appear to eagerly embrace the new order while others do so reluctantly seeing themselves as having little alternative or feeling that resistance is a lost cause and desperate for a return to some form of normality and order. Branding the central character as a collaborator seems somewhat harsh given how she was pressured into joining the IAO and was clearly unenthusiastic about the political aspects of the organisation she eventually fell fowl of ? 86.112.94.153 ( talk) 14:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Volk ans Gewehr was played at introduction (title sequence) and Horst-Wessel-Lied was played during the newsreel and funeral scenes but the article doesnt mention what other music was used in the film ? 86.112.66.248 ( talk) 21:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Were there any organisations similar to the IAO established in real life Nazi-occupied territories and what were they called ? 86.112.48.48 ( talk) 16:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Is the IAO supposed to have been "a politicised paramilitary (???) responsible for policing" or (as described in previous edits) "a kind of quasi-paramilitary medical corps" The latter (i.e. "medical") description would seem to be more accurate given that in the film the antifascist doctor mentions having most of his house requisitioned on account of his refusal to join "that organisation which sounds like a laxative". I suspect the idea that they may also have been involved in policing came about from the riot scene where an ambulance crew appear on the scene alongside the (obviously also heavily paramilitarised) police. However there is nothing to suggest that the police were part of the same outfit ? 89.242.194.4 ( talk) 09:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
The article states that the IAO is "a kind of quasi-paramilitary medical corps of the ruling fascist party of England" while earlier stating that "England appears to be governed by the British Union of Fascists (the situation in the rest of the British Isles is unclear but presumably similar); the followers are referred to as "Blackshirts", wear uniforms with the Flash and Circle, and a framed portrait of Oswald Mosley appears in a government building, alongside one of Adolf Hitler."
In fact the film never mentions a "fascist party of England" (did such an outfit ever exist ?) It is implied (through a 1938 speech used in a radio broadcast) that Mosley is the leader but whether the "ruling party" is the BUF on its own. Or a newly created merger of the BUF, some (or all) fascist/national socialist parties and (very likely) some collaborationist/appeasementist former members of the mainstream pre-invasion parties is pure speculation. Other alternate histories on a similar theme envisage a government consisting of key members of the Conservative party such as Rothermere and Halifax. Even some ex-Labour figures could have been eligible given that Mosley himself was a former member of the ILP ! Incidentally is it Mosley's portrait hanging alongside Hitler in the IAO recruitment scene (at about 25:00) it doesnt really look like him ??? 86.112.89.3 ( talk) 20:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
We already have Category:World War II alternate histories; there's no reason for a "See also" section in this article. -- Orange Mike | Talk 15:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The audio quality (and lighting) on the opening reel is rather poor, which makes the dialog difficult to follow for the first few minutes. The book How it Happened Here gives an explanation for this. In the early stages of production the film makers through lack of experience made some errors in handling the sound recording equipment. Some of the master tapes were recorded at 4.75 cm/s (The slowest speed -economizing on tape but also giving the poorest audio quality) mistakes were also made with microphone placement. While the book doesn't mention the poor lighting in the village scenes presumably the explanation for this is similar. 94.0.215.193 ( talk) 00:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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