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What's with this fiscal cliff ?
Why use this expression when it's not appropriate (neither here, and IMO, nor anywhere else) ?
Ronbarak (
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12:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
With Mofaz elected, should we take out the hypothetical Livni polls and put them in a navbox (or a subpage)? I would argue yes because they are irrelevant now. Certainly keep them around because they are irrelevant to the election, but they should be sidelined a bit.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 16:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
According to the Jerusalem Post, the Knesset is going to vote to dissolve itself on monday. Ericl ( talk) 12:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I have strong reservations about this part in the lead. The elections are for the legislative, not the government. The formation of a new government is a mere consequence. The discrepancy between the Knesset number (19) and government number (33) is good evidence. Rami R 11:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Per this the bold in the lead should reflect the article title. How can we have inconsistency right in the front? the whole page should be consistent. Its also ONE election to ONE body Lihaas ( talk) 21:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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In light of the recent differences of opinions regarding the infobox used in this article, I have decided to raise the matter for discussion here so that all of the participating editors as well as the rest of the Wikipedia community would be able to help determine what would be the best suited infobox to be used in this specific article, and what data should actually be presented in it in this early stage of the elections.
I have several comments about the infobox currently displayed above in this discussion under the headline "Option 1" (which is also currently in use in the article itself):
What infobox should be used in your opinion in this article? What information do you think should be currently presented in the infobox? TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 17:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't actually agree with what you three have decided since we won't have all of the parties in the infobox at the next election anyway. For the moment, the parties that got the largest share of the vote at the last election are the ones that should be listed. As they are at election articles across the project. Even setting that aside, the current box isn't really an infobox. It has the title of the page, the election date, the PM, and his party. A huge portion of the infobox is dedicated to a no-image block and the fact that the election's winner is unknown. If there is a strong object to having an election infobox that conveys information, then why not just use {{ Politics of Israel}}. - Rrius ( talk) 21:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like some form of option 1, which is how i originally made the article.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The hype about elections has dissipated. The article is a mere time capsule of the media hype of recentism and is not relevant anymore. -- Shuki ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
At present, we list the pollster (Dahaf) and the commissioning media organization (Yediot). I feel this is too clunky and unnecessary. In the US and Canada, pollsters are generally profitable enough they dont need a media sponsor (I think). However sometimes, they still have joint listed polls. So I think we should just list the pollster and not the media sponsor, which isnt really as important.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Any ideas for improvement? -- Metallurgist ( talk) 00:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
this needs a clean up for the big show. Ericl ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see more Opinion Polling graphs in this article, ideally similar to those used here. Yesterday I added the graph of the Haaretz/Dialog Opinion Polls. What other Opinion Polls do you think should be created and added to this article? TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 16:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
The IMRA link I put has the main poll data, but lacks Netanyahu data. Does anyone have a Hebrew link that shows it? Please update if you do.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 02:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
These two articles might be good for the Arab section, but Im not sure what to write on them. [1] [2] -- Metallurgist ( talk) 00:55, 21 October 2012 (UTC) more links [3] [4] [5]-- Metallurgist ( talk) 20:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
There is a huge number of polls on Knesset Jeremy. Unfortunately he doesnt link to his sources. But it does tell us the existence of polls that we could search for.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 21:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
This section is full of speculation when the article was written about the future elections. Is it relevant to have the drama from the past year in this article? -- Shuki ( talk) 20:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
The table I think we all recognize is too wide. Wikilogin proposed a change that I dont think looks good at all, so I reversed it. To compensate, I removed Tikun, which is a defunct party anyway. But we still have it a bit too wide, so I have two proposals: 1. Remove Atzmaut. Without Barak, it is not going to win any seats (if it even runs) and even with him, it probably wouldnt. If this is done, I would also like to consider removing the information about Atzmaut, since they were never really an electoral factor and certainly wont be now. 2. Only cite the polling firm, not the media release. In the US, Canada, and UK, polls tend to be done by pollsters and released by them. In Israel, it seems a media organization commissions a poll and publishes it. However, in the US there are sometimes joint polls like CNN-Zogby. I think it might be an acceptable idea to remove the media publisher of the polls and stick to the pollster (Panels, Dahaf, New Wave, etc). However, native Hebrew speakers and Israelis might know better how to do this. -- Metallurgist ( talk) 20:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Can we also get "Atzmaut" changed to "Independence"? That's the name of the header above and the article. Timrollpickering ( talk) 18:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article only discusses the situation where both parties make it past the threshold but one party agrees to transfer its "extra" votes to the other so that the other may get one additional seat. What about the related situation where, say, Kadima gets 1.7% and Am Shalem gets 3.1%, so that Kadima falls short of the threshold; can it then transfer its 1.7% to Am Shalem so that the latter gets extra seat(s)? How about the situation where both fall short, for instance, Kadima gets 1.6% and Am Shalem 1.8%, can they then "combine" their votes to push Am Shalem past the threshold? The article ought to clarify what would happen in those situations. LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 00:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
The knesset website explains it all very clearly, with copies of the election law on as well. A couple of relevant points: Both parties who sign agreements have to individually pass the threshold. Only two parties can sign with each other, no more.
The actual mechanics of how it works is slightly different to how it is explained in the article. Basically, when it comes to distributing remaining seats by using the highest average method, then the seats and votes of the two parties will be combined. If they gain an extra seat, it goes to the party (between the two) which has the higher average. Yamor2 ( talk) 23:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Currently, the numbers shown are based on the current numbers (and someone just changed the heading to "Seats in outgoing Knesset." I don't think that should be how it is; rather, we should show which parties got how many seats in 2009, not which parties merged/disintegrated since then. -- YPN YPN ✡ 01:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
the article notes there was a request made to the central electoral commission to ban these two parties on the grounds that they do not allow women MPs and are therefore discriminatory. the article doesn't give the verdict. presumably it was decided not to ban them since they appear to be standing. does anyone know the details, thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.215.34 ( talk) 16:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
There are a very large number of polls, causing the article to be quite long. I think all polls should be moved to Polling for the Israeli legislative election, 2013. (Similar articles exist for US elections.) -- YPN YPN ✡ 17:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Issues: Settlements [6] and Iran Lihaas ( talk) 09:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article have a section on government formation? Bondegezou ( talk) 10:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Table in Infobox doesn't match table in Results section. One or both needs to be updated with final results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.84.229 ( talk) 21:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
In the Participating Parties section of this article two Arab parties have photos that are significantly smaller than the photos accompanying the other parties. The third Arab party has no photo at all. Is there a good reason for this? Could someone who knows how please re-size the photos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePhantomCopyEditor ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
>> The Gatekeepers - Can a Film Change The Course of the Israeli Elections? ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)).
Why we don´t make a normal infobox? 83.80.208.22 ( talk) 14:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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What's with this fiscal cliff ?
Why use this expression when it's not appropriate (neither here, and IMO, nor anywhere else) ?
Ronbarak (
talk)
12:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
With Mofaz elected, should we take out the hypothetical Livni polls and put them in a navbox (or a subpage)? I would argue yes because they are irrelevant now. Certainly keep them around because they are irrelevant to the election, but they should be sidelined a bit.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 16:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
According to the Jerusalem Post, the Knesset is going to vote to dissolve itself on monday. Ericl ( talk) 12:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I have strong reservations about this part in the lead. The elections are for the legislative, not the government. The formation of a new government is a mere consequence. The discrepancy between the Knesset number (19) and government number (33) is good evidence. Rami R 11:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Per this the bold in the lead should reflect the article title. How can we have inconsistency right in the front? the whole page should be consistent. Its also ONE election to ONE body Lihaas ( talk) 21:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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In light of the recent differences of opinions regarding the infobox used in this article, I have decided to raise the matter for discussion here so that all of the participating editors as well as the rest of the Wikipedia community would be able to help determine what would be the best suited infobox to be used in this specific article, and what data should actually be presented in it in this early stage of the elections.
I have several comments about the infobox currently displayed above in this discussion under the headline "Option 1" (which is also currently in use in the article itself):
What infobox should be used in your opinion in this article? What information do you think should be currently presented in the infobox? TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 17:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't actually agree with what you three have decided since we won't have all of the parties in the infobox at the next election anyway. For the moment, the parties that got the largest share of the vote at the last election are the ones that should be listed. As they are at election articles across the project. Even setting that aside, the current box isn't really an infobox. It has the title of the page, the election date, the PM, and his party. A huge portion of the infobox is dedicated to a no-image block and the fact that the election's winner is unknown. If there is a strong object to having an election infobox that conveys information, then why not just use {{ Politics of Israel}}. - Rrius ( talk) 21:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like some form of option 1, which is how i originally made the article.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The hype about elections has dissipated. The article is a mere time capsule of the media hype of recentism and is not relevant anymore. -- Shuki ( talk) 22:32, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
At present, we list the pollster (Dahaf) and the commissioning media organization (Yediot). I feel this is too clunky and unnecessary. In the US and Canada, pollsters are generally profitable enough they dont need a media sponsor (I think). However sometimes, they still have joint listed polls. So I think we should just list the pollster and not the media sponsor, which isnt really as important.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 18:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Any ideas for improvement? -- Metallurgist ( talk) 00:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
this needs a clean up for the big show. Ericl ( talk) 23:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see more Opinion Polling graphs in this article, ideally similar to those used here. Yesterday I added the graph of the Haaretz/Dialog Opinion Polls. What other Opinion Polls do you think should be created and added to this article? TheCuriousGnome ( talk) 16:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
The IMRA link I put has the main poll data, but lacks Netanyahu data. Does anyone have a Hebrew link that shows it? Please update if you do.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 02:14, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
These two articles might be good for the Arab section, but Im not sure what to write on them. [1] [2] -- Metallurgist ( talk) 00:55, 21 October 2012 (UTC) more links [3] [4] [5]-- Metallurgist ( talk) 20:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
There is a huge number of polls on Knesset Jeremy. Unfortunately he doesnt link to his sources. But it does tell us the existence of polls that we could search for.-- Metallurgist ( talk) 21:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
This section is full of speculation when the article was written about the future elections. Is it relevant to have the drama from the past year in this article? -- Shuki ( talk) 20:31, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
The table I think we all recognize is too wide. Wikilogin proposed a change that I dont think looks good at all, so I reversed it. To compensate, I removed Tikun, which is a defunct party anyway. But we still have it a bit too wide, so I have two proposals: 1. Remove Atzmaut. Without Barak, it is not going to win any seats (if it even runs) and even with him, it probably wouldnt. If this is done, I would also like to consider removing the information about Atzmaut, since they were never really an electoral factor and certainly wont be now. 2. Only cite the polling firm, not the media release. In the US, Canada, and UK, polls tend to be done by pollsters and released by them. In Israel, it seems a media organization commissions a poll and publishes it. However, in the US there are sometimes joint polls like CNN-Zogby. I think it might be an acceptable idea to remove the media publisher of the polls and stick to the pollster (Panels, Dahaf, New Wave, etc). However, native Hebrew speakers and Israelis might know better how to do this. -- Metallurgist ( talk) 20:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Can we also get "Atzmaut" changed to "Independence"? That's the name of the header above and the article. Timrollpickering ( talk) 18:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Currently the article only discusses the situation where both parties make it past the threshold but one party agrees to transfer its "extra" votes to the other so that the other may get one additional seat. What about the related situation where, say, Kadima gets 1.7% and Am Shalem gets 3.1%, so that Kadima falls short of the threshold; can it then transfer its 1.7% to Am Shalem so that the latter gets extra seat(s)? How about the situation where both fall short, for instance, Kadima gets 1.6% and Am Shalem 1.8%, can they then "combine" their votes to push Am Shalem past the threshold? The article ought to clarify what would happen in those situations. LonelyBoy2012 ( talk) 00:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
The knesset website explains it all very clearly, with copies of the election law on as well. A couple of relevant points: Both parties who sign agreements have to individually pass the threshold. Only two parties can sign with each other, no more.
The actual mechanics of how it works is slightly different to how it is explained in the article. Basically, when it comes to distributing remaining seats by using the highest average method, then the seats and votes of the two parties will be combined. If they gain an extra seat, it goes to the party (between the two) which has the higher average. Yamor2 ( talk) 23:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Currently, the numbers shown are based on the current numbers (and someone just changed the heading to "Seats in outgoing Knesset." I don't think that should be how it is; rather, we should show which parties got how many seats in 2009, not which parties merged/disintegrated since then. -- YPN YPN ✡ 01:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
the article notes there was a request made to the central electoral commission to ban these two parties on the grounds that they do not allow women MPs and are therefore discriminatory. the article doesn't give the verdict. presumably it was decided not to ban them since they appear to be standing. does anyone know the details, thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.37.215.34 ( talk) 16:34, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
There are a very large number of polls, causing the article to be quite long. I think all polls should be moved to Polling for the Israeli legislative election, 2013. (Similar articles exist for US elections.) -- YPN YPN ✡ 17:16, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Issues: Settlements [6] and Iran Lihaas ( talk) 09:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article have a section on government formation? Bondegezou ( talk) 10:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Table in Infobox doesn't match table in Results section. One or both needs to be updated with final results. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.156.84.229 ( talk) 21:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
In the Participating Parties section of this article two Arab parties have photos that are significantly smaller than the photos accompanying the other parties. The third Arab party has no photo at all. Is there a good reason for this? Could someone who knows how please re-size the photos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePhantomCopyEditor ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
>> The Gatekeepers - Can a Film Change The Course of the Israeli Elections? ( Lihaas ( talk) 16:57, 12 December 2013 (UTC)).
Why we don´t make a normal infobox? 83.80.208.22 ( talk) 14:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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