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This is an ongoing highly contentious issue so I don't want to just go spew tags all over the article. Here are some things I've noticed though:
On 6 November, more than 75 activists blocked the entrances to the Boeing plant in St. Charles, Missouri, stating it was where the company manufactures bombs for the Israeli government.
It does: https://www.kcur.org/news/2023-11-07/protesters-block-boeing-plant-in-missouri-that-produces-weapons-used-in-israel-hamas-war. I reworded the line and cited it. Catboy69 ( talk) 19:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
On 10 November, protesters staged a sit-in at The New York Times
In Thousand Oaks, California, a 69-year-old Jewish man named Paul Kessler died after sustaining head injuries following an altercation during dueling protests on 4 November.
After Harvard University banned the slogan "from the river to the sea,"
I'm not sure if anything actually was banned. The cited article doesn't mention any specific ban. It mentions "sanctions" on "afilliates," but I'm not sure exactly what that means. There's some mention about the potential for censorship and some concern for "academic freedom," but nothing specific. The letter seems to be in response to Gay's condemnation of the slogan "from the river to the sea" and maybe to the antisemitism board, but I couldn't find anything about the "ban." Catboy69 ( talk) 19:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
jp脳 g 馃棷锔 10:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
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Ironic ( talk) 22:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
The "Counting Crowds Consortium" mentioned in the reference to the Haaretz piece is actually the Crowd Counting Consortium. You might link to our GitHub repository or our blog as a source for that. Jay ulfelder ( talk) 22:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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On the "Firings" section, mention that voice actress Tara Strong was fired from Boxtown because she claimed that Hamas had "brainwashed the western world" to support terrorism. [1] She also stated that people can "help Palestine without supporting terrorism" [2] and expressed support for Israel. [3] 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 23:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Serious concerns regarding NPOV through out article. I started going through it and I see the neutrality problem is overreaching throughout the article. Here is an example from Responses:
In response to actions taken by the Biden administration in support of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's approach to the war, Muslim and Arab Americans organized a campaign titled "Abandon Biden" to advocate against voting for Biden in the 2024 presidential election. Stephen Zunes, a professor at the University of San Francisco, stated Biden had lost significant support amongst progressive voters and Muslim Americans who believed the US was "aiding and abetting war crimes on a massive scale." Leaders from the United Electrical Workers and United Auto Workers vowed to use their electoral clout to push for a ceasefire.
As you can see, this is only 1 POV. Does not show any responses from different point of views and no balances.
On November 3, Jewish Voice for Peace activists in Seattle demonstrated outside the Henry M. Jackson Federal Building, demanding US Senator Patty Murray to call for a ceasefire. On November 6, an estimated 300 people blocked the entrance of the Port of Tacoma to prevent longshoremen from loading suspected military equipment and weapons onto the MV Cape Orlando. On November 11, a protest organized by the "Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network" blocked streets near Westlake Center in Seattle. On November 19, hundreds called for a ceasefire at the Space Needle. The rally was organized by "Jewish Voice for Peace."
On December 7, University of Washington police in Seattle detained 36 people for occupying an administration building with demands that the school stop funding Israel and Boeing.
No mention of pro-Israeli protests, or more point of views...
On November 18, the California Democratic Convention in Sacramento was cancelled after hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters descended on the SAFE Credit Union Convention Center. On December 5, a Holiday tree-lighting ceremony at the California Sate Capitol was postponed due to a planned protest organized by the Sacramento Regional Coalition for Palestinian Rights.
On October 15, hundreds demonstrated for Gaza outside the San Diego County Administration Building. On October 21, 2023, hundreds of protesters organized by San Diego Coalition for Palestine shut down streets downtown. On November 9, hundreds protested outside the headquarters of defense contractor Northrup Grumman demanding a ceasefire. Later that same day, medical students, staff and other workers at UC San Diego School of Medicine staged a solidarity walkout to protest the public health crisis in Gaza. Both of these protests were part of the international "Shut it Down for Palestine" event. On Black Friday, marchers through and participated in a die-in at a mall in Escondido. On December 2, around 125 pro-Palestinian protesters disrupted a tree-lighting ceremony in Balboa Park. On December 23, protesters calling for a ceasefire marched through Balboa Park for two and half hours.
No mention of pro-Israeli protests, or more point of views...
I think the situation is clear, there are more examples. But this needs to be dealt with. I already went over the lead a bit and other bits but they also need more work.
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*::Your faint praise
WP:ASPERSIONS about other "excellent" editors seem to be the only obvious thing here. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else to make it "MORE" neutral, but you haven't defined what that means. Declaring something "obvious" or "clear" by labeling it so.
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A discussion about this question has been opened here. Kire1975 ( talk) 13:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
This sentence in the first section
鈥 A Jewish man was killed by a Pro-Palestinian protester. 鈥
is misleading as it implies that this has been determined while in fact the case is still open. The defendant has plead not guilty and his lawyer claims he was feet away during the fall, so it has absolutely not been determined that the victim was 鈥渒illed鈥 by the defendant and I find this wording to be purposefully misleading, if not flat out inaccurate. In addition, the charges are for involuntary manslaughter and battery, they do not indicate that the defendant had any intention of harming the victim ( https://www.ojaivalleynews.com/news/crime_and_courts/court-dates-set-for-man-charged-in-pro-israel-demonstrator-s-death/article_09416e9a-8f0f-11ee-bc06-5ba626f3066a.html). In fact, it was determined specifically there is not enough evidence to call this a murder or hate crime and I think the current wording implies both, whether internationally or not.
In light of this information, I think the wording is confusing and should be changed to something like 鈥淎 Jewish Man died after attending a protest and sustaining injures allegedly caused by a Pro-Palestinian protestor.鈥 This is an accurate statement given the current status of the case and the information currently available. 32.221.155.183 ( talk) 12:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Since Newport Beach is there (its in Orange County), can we change the title? Plus all information would still fit in. 112.197.31.150 ( talk) 10:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Some of the dates are in day/month/year, but they should all be month/day/year. Can we fix that? Thanks. 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 23:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Incredibly biased lede, I haven't had the chance to read the full article. The overwhelming majority of protests for the past few months have been pro-Palestinian ones demanding a ceasefire. Instead the lede highlights the first ten days only when pro-Israeli ones were more dominant. The infobox highlights the Israeli flag. The lede also highlights the unfortunate killing of a "Jewish" man while mentioning nothing of the Palestinian American student shot in Vermont. The lede mentions nothing of the skunk sprayed on pro-Palestine protestors in universities. The lede mentions the word "ceasefire" only once. The lede doesn't seem to summarize the body, but acts as a compilation of cherry picked highlights. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Is it worth making a new standalone page or should information about university protests belong on this page? User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 21:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Related: Tax Day protests (April 15, 2024)
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In the last paragraph of the section National, just before the subsection 2024 presidential election events, I suggest the following changes:
Thank you.
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This is an ongoing highly contentious issue so I don't want to just go spew tags all over the article. Here are some things I've noticed though:
On 6 November, more than 75 activists blocked the entrances to the Boeing plant in St. Charles, Missouri, stating it was where the company manufactures bombs for the Israeli government.
It does: https://www.kcur.org/news/2023-11-07/protesters-block-boeing-plant-in-missouri-that-produces-weapons-used-in-israel-hamas-war. I reworded the line and cited it. Catboy69 ( talk) 19:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
On 10 November, protesters staged a sit-in at The New York Times
In Thousand Oaks, California, a 69-year-old Jewish man named Paul Kessler died after sustaining head injuries following an altercation during dueling protests on 4 November.
After Harvard University banned the slogan "from the river to the sea,"
I'm not sure if anything actually was banned. The cited article doesn't mention any specific ban. It mentions "sanctions" on "afilliates," but I'm not sure exactly what that means. There's some mention about the potential for censorship and some concern for "academic freedom," but nothing specific. The letter seems to be in response to Gay's condemnation of the slogan "from the river to the sea" and maybe to the antisemitism board, but I couldn't find anything about the "ban." Catboy69 ( talk) 19:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
jp脳 g 馃棷锔 10:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
done
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talk) 17:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Kire1975 ( talk) 15:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Ironic ( talk) 22:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
The "Counting Crowds Consortium" mentioned in the reference to the Haaretz piece is actually the Crowd Counting Consortium. You might link to our GitHub repository or our blog as a source for that. Jay ulfelder ( talk) 22:32, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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On the "Firings" section, mention that voice actress Tara Strong was fired from Boxtown because she claimed that Hamas had "brainwashed the western world" to support terrorism. [1] She also stated that people can "help Palestine without supporting terrorism" [2] and expressed support for Israel. [3] 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 23:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
References
Serious concerns regarding NPOV through out article. I started going through it and I see the neutrality problem is overreaching throughout the article. Here is an example from Responses:
In response to actions taken by the Biden administration in support of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's approach to the war, Muslim and Arab Americans organized a campaign titled "Abandon Biden" to advocate against voting for Biden in the 2024 presidential election. Stephen Zunes, a professor at the University of San Francisco, stated Biden had lost significant support amongst progressive voters and Muslim Americans who believed the US was "aiding and abetting war crimes on a massive scale." Leaders from the United Electrical Workers and United Auto Workers vowed to use their electoral clout to push for a ceasefire.
As you can see, this is only 1 POV. Does not show any responses from different point of views and no balances.
On November 3, Jewish Voice for Peace activists in Seattle demonstrated outside the Henry M. Jackson Federal Building, demanding US Senator Patty Murray to call for a ceasefire. On November 6, an estimated 300 people blocked the entrance of the Port of Tacoma to prevent longshoremen from loading suspected military equipment and weapons onto the MV Cape Orlando. On November 11, a protest organized by the "Samidoun Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network" blocked streets near Westlake Center in Seattle. On November 19, hundreds called for a ceasefire at the Space Needle. The rally was organized by "Jewish Voice for Peace."
On December 7, University of Washington police in Seattle detained 36 people for occupying an administration building with demands that the school stop funding Israel and Boeing.
No mention of pro-Israeli protests, or more point of views...
On November 18, the California Democratic Convention in Sacramento was cancelled after hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters descended on the SAFE Credit Union Convention Center. On December 5, a Holiday tree-lighting ceremony at the California Sate Capitol was postponed due to a planned protest organized by the Sacramento Regional Coalition for Palestinian Rights.
On October 15, hundreds demonstrated for Gaza outside the San Diego County Administration Building. On October 21, 2023, hundreds of protesters organized by San Diego Coalition for Palestine shut down streets downtown. On November 9, hundreds protested outside the headquarters of defense contractor Northrup Grumman demanding a ceasefire. Later that same day, medical students, staff and other workers at UC San Diego School of Medicine staged a solidarity walkout to protest the public health crisis in Gaza. Both of these protests were part of the international "Shut it Down for Palestine" event. On Black Friday, marchers through and participated in a die-in at a mall in Escondido. On December 2, around 125 pro-Palestinian protesters disrupted a tree-lighting ceremony in Balboa Park. On December 23, protesters calling for a ceasefire marched through Balboa Park for two and half hours.
No mention of pro-Israeli protests, or more point of views...
I think the situation is clear, there are more examples. But this needs to be dealt with. I already went over the lead a bit and other bits but they also need more work.
Homerethegreat (
talk) 15:34, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
"Place this template on an article when you have identified a serious issue of balance and the lack of a WP:Neutral point of view, and you wish to attract editors with different viewpoints to the article. Please also explain on the article's talk page why you are adding this tag, identifying specific issues that are actionable within Wikipedia's content policies.
An unbalanced or non-neutral article is one that does not fairly represent the balance of perspectives of high-quality, reliable secondary sources. A balanced article presents mainstream views as being mainstream, and minority views as being minority views. The personal views of Wikipedia editors or the public are irrelevant."
*::Your faint praise
WP:ASPERSIONS about other "excellent" editors seem to be the only obvious thing here. Nothing is stopping you or anyone else to make it "MORE" neutral, but you haven't defined what that means. Declaring something "obvious" or "clear" by labeling it so.
Kire1975 (
talk) 12:15, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
A discussion about this question has been opened here. Kire1975 ( talk) 13:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
This sentence in the first section
鈥 A Jewish man was killed by a Pro-Palestinian protester. 鈥
is misleading as it implies that this has been determined while in fact the case is still open. The defendant has plead not guilty and his lawyer claims he was feet away during the fall, so it has absolutely not been determined that the victim was 鈥渒illed鈥 by the defendant and I find this wording to be purposefully misleading, if not flat out inaccurate. In addition, the charges are for involuntary manslaughter and battery, they do not indicate that the defendant had any intention of harming the victim ( https://www.ojaivalleynews.com/news/crime_and_courts/court-dates-set-for-man-charged-in-pro-israel-demonstrator-s-death/article_09416e9a-8f0f-11ee-bc06-5ba626f3066a.html). In fact, it was determined specifically there is not enough evidence to call this a murder or hate crime and I think the current wording implies both, whether internationally or not.
In light of this information, I think the wording is confusing and should be changed to something like 鈥淎 Jewish Man died after attending a protest and sustaining injures allegedly caused by a Pro-Palestinian protestor.鈥 This is an accurate statement given the current status of the case and the information currently available. 32.221.155.183 ( talk) 12:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Since Newport Beach is there (its in Orange County), can we change the title? Plus all information would still fit in. 112.197.31.150 ( talk) 10:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Some of the dates are in day/month/year, but they should all be month/day/year. Can we fix that? Thanks. 47.153.148.108 ( talk) 23:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Incredibly biased lede, I haven't had the chance to read the full article. The overwhelming majority of protests for the past few months have been pro-Palestinian ones demanding a ceasefire. Instead the lede highlights the first ten days only when pro-Israeli ones were more dominant. The infobox highlights the Israeli flag. The lede also highlights the unfortunate killing of a "Jewish" man while mentioning nothing of the Palestinian American student shot in Vermont. The lede mentions nothing of the skunk sprayed on pro-Palestine protestors in universities. The lede mentions the word "ceasefire" only once. The lede doesn't seem to summarize the body, but acts as a compilation of cherry picked highlights. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Is it worth making a new standalone page or should information about university protests belong on this page? User:Sawerchessread ( talk) 21:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Related: Tax Day protests (April 15, 2024)
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
Launchballer聽
talk聽06:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 62 past nominations.
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In the last paragraph of the section National, just before the subsection 2024 presidential election events, I suggest the following changes:
Thank you.
WagePeace ( talk) 17:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)