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German-Israeli citizen kidnapped. She kidnapped with a group of tourists. She was at the party in Reim forest. According to the documentation they published, the terrorists stripped, beat her and spat on her. They transferred her to Gaza.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hkt4cnj11p āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A041:1CE0:0:E813:77F3:5AD8:B10C ( talk) 06:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
According to the military corresponded from "Times of Israel", Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian, the palestinian health ministry claims that there are 370 killed and 2'200 injured on the Plestinian side.
[SOURCE: https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1711011674277163456]
The "Times of Israel" also say's the IDF claims to have killed 400+ Hamas terrorists.
[SOURCE: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-8-2023/]
Both claims are similare numbers BUT the Plestinian health ministry didn't distinguish between civilians or hamas terrorists/fighters.
The IDF only said "Hamas Terrorists". Poles Ragge ( talk) 13:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
It is appropriate to add this information. Biden ordered military aid and more is coming. Blinken too. Dl.thinker ( talk) 18:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
The practice of writing in a "Supported by" subheading is deprecated, and it then links to a discussion. That discussion does say that an article-specific consensus can override the deprecation, to be fair. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 01:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Just wanted to express that I dislike the current map (Israel-war-Oct-8-2023.png) for a number of reasons. Firstly, it puts the Gaza Strip and West Bank in a dotted line as opposed to a solid line, implying that it's a disputed territory and not an internationally recognized border, which is a problem. But I also dislike that there's low contrast between the colors in the towns where fighting is ongoing and there is no highlighted outline of the region where fighting is ongoing unlike the previous map, which makes it visually more difficult to understand the scale of the conflict.
I don't think either of these are perfect, but I do think that the previous one is easier to interpret and more informative. It is possible that the older one contains outdated information and therefore would not be appropriate to use right now, but I would appreciate if the map displayed visually had more in common with the older one, or if the newer one at least was modified to account for some of the issues I mentioned.
I did not attempt to boldly do this myself because I don't even want to think of getting into an edit war on a topic this contentious, even though all I'm proposing is a stylistic change and not really a content change. I hope others will agree.
Thanks,
Ā Vanilla Ā Wizard š 19:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Vanilla Wizard, Vice regent, Veggies, and Red-tailed hawk: Notice to all participants. I have uploaded the map in .svg format after a significant compression of the original file. It should be available for anyone to edit now. Additionally seam errors have been fixed. Ecrusized ( talk) 09:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
The stand-off in Be'eri and Ofakim is still ongoing in Ofakim, meaning the map needs to be updated to reflect that. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 02:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
It's been awhile since the advance was changed on this map. Is there anything new from both sides? 24.235.144.97 ( talk) 06:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I want to know is Hamas retriting or advancing because the map is a little confusing 2600:6C50:1B00:32BE:F8F3:4505:F6A8:414A ( talk) 07:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Captain Almighty Nutz ( Contact me EMail Me Contribs) 07:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Did Fatah and the Palestinian authority officially join the war? If so, then Abbas should be added in the infobox.
https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/138006 RAMSES$44932 ( talk) 10:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Belligerents Nx.colonel ( talk) 16:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Al-Quds Brigades are participating on the side of Palestine. Also USA has sent military support to Israel
Operation Al-Aqsa Flood | ||||||||
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![]() File:Flag of the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine.svg Islamic Jihad | Civilian non-combatants |
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Mohammed Al-Daif Ziyad al-Nakhalah |
Benjamin Netanyahu Yoav Galant | |||||||
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Unknown |
At least 2 (in Gaza).
[1] and 7 (in Israel) civilians killed. At least 5 (in Gaza) and 3 (in Israel) civilians injured. Multiple civilians captured (in Israel) [2] |
At least 10 killed
[3] |
Hi all,
Like many, I am deeply frustrated with never ending conflicts.
I believe that a major error in the reporting of such conflicts including by Wikipedians, is that it is always being presented as a two-sided conflict, when actually it is always a three-sided conflict where the third side is always forgotten about or only given as a foot note because they lack adequate representation in the conflict.
I am of course talking about the civilians.
These are unwilling participants who are being killed by being caught up in the middle of the conflict, despite not necessarily taking a side. This is particularly true of young children, who do not have a mental capability to understand, to even be able to take a side. The only ones supporting them are the medics are working tirelessly to save them. By not including them on equal footing, it is also suggesting that civilian victims are not as important as military casualties. In fact, I think that they are more important.
Even if you do not agree that non-belligerents deserve a front-seat in the conversation (and shame on you), to attribute them to a particular side is impossible given the level of reporting. All we know is what side of the border that they happened to be on when it happened.
For all we know, they could be a person of Israeli citizenship who does not politically align with the state of Israel (They could be a Palestinian living in Israel, for example). It could be a Palestinian living in Gaza who does not align with the values of Hamas. It could be someone of another state or religious affiliation or none at all.
It is disingenuous to equate a Palestinian or Gazan as someone who supports Hamas (and it might not be safe to elicit a true answer) and it is disingenuous to equate an Israeli or Jewish person as someone who supports the Israeli Government. So to include them in the info box under a particular state's figures could be offensive if it is wrong. It would be especially offensive to claim a Palestinian as an "Israeli" victim.
To the right is an example of how I believe the infobox should look like.
As it becomes known (if at all) that a civilian was supportive of a particular side, then by all means, they should be moved under the banner of which their align to. Note that it would be hard to be a "Citizen of Hamas" because Hamas is not a country and is itself a militant organisation so how is it even technically possible to be a non-combatant of Hamas. That is without a whole other can of worms of lumping Palestine with Hamas.
If it is absolutely decided that Civilians do not deserve a place of equal footing in the info box, my backup argument is that they should be included above the militants in the info box or of its own infobox above the military one, as they are the most important by virtue of being innocent and not actively making themselves part of the hostilities. Kleinerziegler ( talk) 11:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
There are two kinds of terrorists. The first are terrorists that kill innocent civilians in public places, with no military purpose or warfare-based strategic goal. 221 The second are terrorists that engage in warfare, within theaters of combat, against military targets (soldiers, service members, members of a tactical force, etc.), and with military objectives. 222 Brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, responsible for the Boston marathon bombing, are in the first group. Irek Hamidullin is in the second group
References
Daveout [3] it is convention on wikipedia to have a separate section for names (its often called "etymology"). I would respectfully keep the names section separate from the background section. VR talk 04:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk)
04:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Applodion. Regarding [
this]. Sorry but itĀ“s a completely BS rationale, itĀ“s far more common for wars\operations to have their allegedly vital nicknames on the lede than on a special section. Also, the text was moved just one paragraph down; comprehension is not affected in any shape or form. If you like etymology sections (actually nickname sections) so much please create one on the Columbine page explaining that the perpetrators' nicks were Rebel and Vodka. That definitely will be useful. Best wishes keep safe. ā
Daveout
(talk)
02:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk)
14:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)@ Veggies: I have removed Hamas presence in the map from Ashkelon. Ecrusized ( talk) 06:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Ecrusized: What's your deal? I update the SVG map and you...don't like it and overwrite it? -- Veggies ( talk) 16:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please change "Some Arab League countries such as Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and non-Arab countries like Iran and Pakistan" to "Some Arab League countries such as Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and non-Arab League countries like Iran and Pakistan" This would make clear that they're referring to countries that are not part of the Arab League, rather than bringing up a non-settled debate about whether or not Iran and Pakistan are Arab countries, which is not the point of the sentence. Blueeyedmaiden ( talk) 17:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
How can there be a section named War Crimes, when it is a conflict and not a war? Thanks for explaining this to me. 82.147.226.240 ( talk) 19:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We have created an article based on hours old info from limited original sources often known for highly biased information on multiple sides. Why are some editors in such a rush? We are not here to scoop the networks. Wait until we have multiple analyses. There is WP:NODEADLINE. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 00:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
repercussions and echoes around the world. So, let us be responsible and not contribute to those repercussions. Let us report when we have a fuller story to document. We should never be part of any
echochamber on any side. But as others have said, it's a waste of time to remind editors that this is an encyclopedia. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 02:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest changing from "The blockade has caused significant economic hardship upon the Palestinians" to "The blockade has caused significant economic hardship within Gaza" as that is both more accurate and more consistent with English idiom. The phrase "caused... hardship upon" is not idiomatic and I suggest updating to avoid the awkward phrasing. Vegastrong ( talk) 03:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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I really need to edit this article; I want to attempt to move this article from October 2023 GazaāIsrael conflict to 2023 PalestineāIsrael War because most of the media says it's a war and on the talk page there is many that comprehend that the article shall be labeled as a "war" so I need to have edit access to improve not just Wikipedia but the knowledge of the world. CostalCal ( talk) 01:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even within the "Talk:" namespace. Internal project discussions include, but are not limited to, AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, RMs, and noticeboard discussions(emphasis mine). ā Red-tailedĀ hawkĀ (nest) 15:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
@ The Great Mule of Eupatoria You made an with an explanation "the claim is verifiable, and the video has been surfacing around a lot. The link is broken because Wikipedia is so itchy about citations. This is a video uploaded by a news organisation and is translated accurately" to restore content with a broken youtube link in the lead. This does not make much sense, editors everywhere have been able to add in linked and verifiable sources. From what I can tell, you added this in originally with the edit description of "Another Instagram video surfaced of a militant (presumably Hamas) who gestures at an Israeli geriatric and her disabled child instructing that āwe should not kill a woman, or a child, or an old man or a worshipperā. I donāt know if Instagram is able to be cited here. If we include individual actions then it goes both ways queen!"
Per WP:BURDEN, you are required to provide a verifiable RS for your addition. "The link is broken because Wikipedia is so itchy about citations" is not a blank check to add in whatever you desire. This is especially important when you are trying to use youtube, per WP:RSPYT. If this is an Instagram video, as you state in your original edit, it would also not be allowed for inclusion, per WP:USERGENERATED. KiharaNoukan ( talk) 04:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
In line 10 on the lead, this following, "which took place almost exactly fifty years before the current attacks." I want to change the word, "current" to "2023" where it says, "which took place almost exactly fifty years before the 2023 attacks." Even though I met the qualifications, I wanted to check here before I try to edit this article. Cwater1 ( talk) 21:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change "Israel Air Force's has been reported to use banned chemical weapons in Gaza. Based on a video that shows munitions descending from the sky, it is apparent that the white phosphorus bomb are being dropped, which is considered a war crime." by removing it all together. See my post on it, it is misinformation, the sources spreading it are falsely using a photo from a 2018 HRW article, and a YouTube thumbnail from 2017.
YouTube thumbnail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9f8Ff8M6E HRW Article: https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/09/incendiary-weapons-heed-calls-strengthen-law
This is blatant misinformation, if you are unwilling to do this, at least fix the atrocious grammar from the non-English speaker who put it there. MarkusDorazio ( talk) 06:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I added in the lead that "Most countries called for de-escalation." I think it is pretty obvious that's the case just looking through International reactions to the October 2023 GazaāIsrael conflict. Is there any objection if I restore that wording? VR talk 20:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Why do we need a RS for that?-- We need RS's for everything. You can summarize RS's, but you have to cite them somewhere; or there has to be consensus that a statement is obvious, in which case you don't need an explicit citation. But going ahead and doing your own statistics on the list we have compiled here is WP:OR. This list is not an independent summary of RS's. If you find a similar, independently created list in a RS then you could summarize that. Renerpho ( talk) 02:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
@ EkoGraf: I donāt think the clashes in West Bank are related with the ongoing conflict/war in Gaza. Ecrusized ( talk) 14:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Vice regent: Deif's statement, as head of Hamas, holds more importance in the lede than Abbas' statement, head of the PA. Your "summarization" removed the relevant former and kept the irrelevant latter. Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas cited these events in the justification for the offensive, with Mohammed Deif, the commander of its military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, called on Palestinians and Arab Israelis to "expel the occupiers and demolish the walls"is too much detail for the lead. I would summarize it as "
Hamas cited these events as justification for the offensive and called on Palestinians outside of Gaza to join the fight." VR talk 20:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
To my understanding, we do not change the status quo. However, is there anything preventing us from having multiple varieties of English (defence and defense in different sentences, say) in the article? Bremps ... 03:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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German-Israeli citizen kidnapped. She kidnapped with a group of tourists. She was at the party in Reim forest. According to the documentation they published, the terrorists stripped, beat her and spat on her. They transferred her to Gaza.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/hkt4cnj11p āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A041:1CE0:0:E813:77F3:5AD8:B10C ( talk) 06:37, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
According to the military corresponded from "Times of Israel", Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian, the palestinian health ministry claims that there are 370 killed and 2'200 injured on the Plestinian side.
[SOURCE: https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1711011674277163456]
The "Times of Israel" also say's the IDF claims to have killed 400+ Hamas terrorists.
[SOURCE: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-8-2023/]
Both claims are similare numbers BUT the Plestinian health ministry didn't distinguish between civilians or hamas terrorists/fighters.
The IDF only said "Hamas Terrorists". Poles Ragge ( talk) 13:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
It is appropriate to add this information. Biden ordered military aid and more is coming. Blinken too. Dl.thinker ( talk) 18:17, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
The practice of writing in a "Supported by" subheading is deprecated, and it then links to a discussion. That discussion does say that an article-specific consensus can override the deprecation, to be fair. -- Jprg1966 (talk) 01:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Just wanted to express that I dislike the current map (Israel-war-Oct-8-2023.png) for a number of reasons. Firstly, it puts the Gaza Strip and West Bank in a dotted line as opposed to a solid line, implying that it's a disputed territory and not an internationally recognized border, which is a problem. But I also dislike that there's low contrast between the colors in the towns where fighting is ongoing and there is no highlighted outline of the region where fighting is ongoing unlike the previous map, which makes it visually more difficult to understand the scale of the conflict.
I don't think either of these are perfect, but I do think that the previous one is easier to interpret and more informative. It is possible that the older one contains outdated information and therefore would not be appropriate to use right now, but I would appreciate if the map displayed visually had more in common with the older one, or if the newer one at least was modified to account for some of the issues I mentioned.
I did not attempt to boldly do this myself because I don't even want to think of getting into an edit war on a topic this contentious, even though all I'm proposing is a stylistic change and not really a content change. I hope others will agree.
Thanks,
Ā Vanilla Ā Wizard š 19:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Vanilla Wizard, Vice regent, Veggies, and Red-tailed hawk: Notice to all participants. I have uploaded the map in .svg format after a significant compression of the original file. It should be available for anyone to edit now. Additionally seam errors have been fixed. Ecrusized ( talk) 09:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
The stand-off in Be'eri and Ofakim is still ongoing in Ofakim, meaning the map needs to be updated to reflect that. The Weather Event Writer ( Talk Page) 02:31, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
It's been awhile since the advance was changed on this map. Is there anything new from both sides? 24.235.144.97 ( talk) 06:11, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I want to know is Hamas retriting or advancing because the map is a little confusing 2600:6C50:1B00:32BE:F8F3:4505:F6A8:414A ( talk) 07:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Captain Almighty Nutz ( Contact me EMail Me Contribs) 07:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Did Fatah and the Palestinian authority officially join the war? If so, then Abbas should be added in the infobox.
https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/138006 RAMSES$44932 ( talk) 10:19, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Belligerents Nx.colonel ( talk) 16:54, 9 October 2023 (UTC) Al-Quds Brigades are participating on the side of Palestine. Also USA has sent military support to Israel
Operation Al-Aqsa Flood | ||||||||
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Part of the IsraeliāPalestinian conflict and Gaza-Israel conflict | ||||||||
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Belligerents and Non-belligerents | ||||||||
![]() File:Flag of the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine.svg Islamic Jihad | Civilian non-combatants |
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Commanders and leaders | ||||||||
Mohammed Al-Daif Ziyad al-Nakhalah |
Benjamin Netanyahu Yoav Galant | |||||||
Units involved | ||||||||
![]() Al-Quds Brigades PFLP citation needed Lions' Den citation needed |
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Casualties and losses | ||||||||
Unknown |
At least 2 (in Gaza).
[1] and 7 (in Israel) civilians killed. At least 5 (in Gaza) and 3 (in Israel) civilians injured. Multiple civilians captured (in Israel) [2] |
At least 10 killed
[3] |
Hi all,
Like many, I am deeply frustrated with never ending conflicts.
I believe that a major error in the reporting of such conflicts including by Wikipedians, is that it is always being presented as a two-sided conflict, when actually it is always a three-sided conflict where the third side is always forgotten about or only given as a foot note because they lack adequate representation in the conflict.
I am of course talking about the civilians.
These are unwilling participants who are being killed by being caught up in the middle of the conflict, despite not necessarily taking a side. This is particularly true of young children, who do not have a mental capability to understand, to even be able to take a side. The only ones supporting them are the medics are working tirelessly to save them. By not including them on equal footing, it is also suggesting that civilian victims are not as important as military casualties. In fact, I think that they are more important.
Even if you do not agree that non-belligerents deserve a front-seat in the conversation (and shame on you), to attribute them to a particular side is impossible given the level of reporting. All we know is what side of the border that they happened to be on when it happened.
For all we know, they could be a person of Israeli citizenship who does not politically align with the state of Israel (They could be a Palestinian living in Israel, for example). It could be a Palestinian living in Gaza who does not align with the values of Hamas. It could be someone of another state or religious affiliation or none at all.
It is disingenuous to equate a Palestinian or Gazan as someone who supports Hamas (and it might not be safe to elicit a true answer) and it is disingenuous to equate an Israeli or Jewish person as someone who supports the Israeli Government. So to include them in the info box under a particular state's figures could be offensive if it is wrong. It would be especially offensive to claim a Palestinian as an "Israeli" victim.
To the right is an example of how I believe the infobox should look like.
As it becomes known (if at all) that a civilian was supportive of a particular side, then by all means, they should be moved under the banner of which their align to. Note that it would be hard to be a "Citizen of Hamas" because Hamas is not a country and is itself a militant organisation so how is it even technically possible to be a non-combatant of Hamas. That is without a whole other can of worms of lumping Palestine with Hamas.
If it is absolutely decided that Civilians do not deserve a place of equal footing in the info box, my backup argument is that they should be included above the militants in the info box or of its own infobox above the military one, as they are the most important by virtue of being innocent and not actively making themselves part of the hostilities. Kleinerziegler ( talk) 11:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
There are two kinds of terrorists. The first are terrorists that kill innocent civilians in public places, with no military purpose or warfare-based strategic goal. 221 The second are terrorists that engage in warfare, within theaters of combat, against military targets (soldiers, service members, members of a tactical force, etc.), and with military objectives. 222 Brothers Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, responsible for the Boston marathon bombing, are in the first group. Irek Hamidullin is in the second group
References
Daveout [3] it is convention on wikipedia to have a separate section for names (its often called "etymology"). I would respectfully keep the names section separate from the background section. VR talk 04:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk)
04:51, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Applodion. Regarding [
this]. Sorry but itĀ“s a completely BS rationale, itĀ“s far more common for wars\operations to have their allegedly vital nicknames on the lede than on a special section. Also, the text was moved just one paragraph down; comprehension is not affected in any shape or form. If you like etymology sections (actually nickname sections) so much please create one on the Columbine page explaining that the perpetrators' nicks were Rebel and Vodka. That definitely will be useful. Best wishes keep safe. ā
Daveout
(talk)
02:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Daveout
(talk)
14:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)@ Veggies: I have removed Hamas presence in the map from Ashkelon. Ecrusized ( talk) 06:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Ecrusized: What's your deal? I update the SVG map and you...don't like it and overwrite it? -- Veggies ( talk) 16:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Please change "Some Arab League countries such as Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and non-Arab countries like Iran and Pakistan" to "Some Arab League countries such as Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and non-Arab League countries like Iran and Pakistan" This would make clear that they're referring to countries that are not part of the Arab League, rather than bringing up a non-settled debate about whether or not Iran and Pakistan are Arab countries, which is not the point of the sentence. Blueeyedmaiden ( talk) 17:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
How can there be a section named War Crimes, when it is a conflict and not a war? Thanks for explaining this to me. 82.147.226.240 ( talk) 19:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We have created an article based on hours old info from limited original sources often known for highly biased information on multiple sides. Why are some editors in such a rush? We are not here to scoop the networks. Wait until we have multiple analyses. There is WP:NODEADLINE. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 00:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
repercussions and echoes around the world. So, let us be responsible and not contribute to those repercussions. Let us report when we have a fuller story to document. We should never be part of any
echochamber on any side. But as others have said, it's a waste of time to remind editors that this is an encyclopedia. O3000, Ret. ( talk) 02:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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I suggest changing from "The blockade has caused significant economic hardship upon the Palestinians" to "The blockade has caused significant economic hardship within Gaza" as that is both more accurate and more consistent with English idiom. The phrase "caused... hardship upon" is not idiomatic and I suggest updating to avoid the awkward phrasing. Vegastrong ( talk) 03:19, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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I really need to edit this article; I want to attempt to move this article from October 2023 GazaāIsrael conflict to 2023 PalestineāIsrael War because most of the media says it's a war and on the talk page there is many that comprehend that the article shall be labeled as a "war" so I need to have edit access to improve not just Wikipedia but the knowledge of the world. CostalCal ( talk) 01:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
non-extended-confirmed editors may not make edits to internal project discussions related to the topic area, even within the "Talk:" namespace. Internal project discussions include, but are not limited to, AfDs, WikiProjects, RfCs, RMs, and noticeboard discussions(emphasis mine). ā Red-tailedĀ hawkĀ (nest) 15:07, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
@ The Great Mule of Eupatoria You made an with an explanation "the claim is verifiable, and the video has been surfacing around a lot. The link is broken because Wikipedia is so itchy about citations. This is a video uploaded by a news organisation and is translated accurately" to restore content with a broken youtube link in the lead. This does not make much sense, editors everywhere have been able to add in linked and verifiable sources. From what I can tell, you added this in originally with the edit description of "Another Instagram video surfaced of a militant (presumably Hamas) who gestures at an Israeli geriatric and her disabled child instructing that āwe should not kill a woman, or a child, or an old man or a worshipperā. I donāt know if Instagram is able to be cited here. If we include individual actions then it goes both ways queen!"
Per WP:BURDEN, you are required to provide a verifiable RS for your addition. "The link is broken because Wikipedia is so itchy about citations" is not a blank check to add in whatever you desire. This is especially important when you are trying to use youtube, per WP:RSPYT. If this is an Instagram video, as you state in your original edit, it would also not be allowed for inclusion, per WP:USERGENERATED. KiharaNoukan ( talk) 04:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
In line 10 on the lead, this following, "which took place almost exactly fifty years before the current attacks." I want to change the word, "current" to "2023" where it says, "which took place almost exactly fifty years before the 2023 attacks." Even though I met the qualifications, I wanted to check here before I try to edit this article. Cwater1 ( talk) 21:30, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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Change "Israel Air Force's has been reported to use banned chemical weapons in Gaza. Based on a video that shows munitions descending from the sky, it is apparent that the white phosphorus bomb are being dropped, which is considered a war crime." by removing it all together. See my post on it, it is misinformation, the sources spreading it are falsely using a photo from a 2018 HRW article, and a YouTube thumbnail from 2017.
YouTube thumbnail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C9f8Ff8M6E HRW Article: https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/09/incendiary-weapons-heed-calls-strengthen-law
This is blatant misinformation, if you are unwilling to do this, at least fix the atrocious grammar from the non-English speaker who put it there. MarkusDorazio ( talk) 06:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
I added in the lead that "Most countries called for de-escalation." I think it is pretty obvious that's the case just looking through International reactions to the October 2023 GazaāIsrael conflict. Is there any objection if I restore that wording? VR talk 20:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Why do we need a RS for that?-- We need RS's for everything. You can summarize RS's, but you have to cite them somewhere; or there has to be consensus that a statement is obvious, in which case you don't need an explicit citation. But going ahead and doing your own statistics on the list we have compiled here is WP:OR. This list is not an independent summary of RS's. If you find a similar, independently created list in a RS then you could summarize that. Renerpho ( talk) 02:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
@ EkoGraf: I donāt think the clashes in West Bank are related with the ongoing conflict/war in Gaza. Ecrusized ( talk) 14:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Vice regent: Deif's statement, as head of Hamas, holds more importance in the lede than Abbas' statement, head of the PA. Your "summarization" removed the relevant former and kept the irrelevant latter. Makeandtoss ( talk) 20:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hamas cited these events in the justification for the offensive, with Mohammed Deif, the commander of its military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, called on Palestinians and Arab Israelis to "expel the occupiers and demolish the walls"is too much detail for the lead. I would summarize it as "
Hamas cited these events as justification for the offensive and called on Palestinians outside of Gaza to join the fight." VR talk 20:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
To my understanding, we do not change the status quo. However, is there anything preventing us from having multiple varieties of English (defence and defense in different sentences, say) in the article? Bremps ... 03:27, 9 October 2023 (UTC)