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An editor has added Israel to the list of countries designating ISIS as a terrorist organization. That is the first time I have seen "unlawful" mean "terrorist". (See appended citation here). -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC).
@ Worldedixor and Hariboneagle927:
Tangential discussion,
WP:NOTAFORUM
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Worldedixor:, how about this - please get consensus before adding potentially controversial material. If you get reverted don't revert back (potential edit warring), follow
WP:BRD and take it to the talk page, BE CIVIL, and stop giving overly dramatic arguments as to why you are right and other editors are wrong.~
Technophant (
talk) 23:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
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I have no opinion on whether the name of the page should be Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or anything else but I do find it odd that the page name does not match the initial use in the lead. -- Khajidha ( talk) 15:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
An uniformed editor Ericl ( talk) seems to think erroneously that al-Shams in Arabic means the Levant [4] which is wrong. His misinformation made this page [5] look odd in an encyclopedia. I am incompetent in correcting the name, and I recognize my limitations. So, before I ask for admin help, does anyone know how to change al-Shams which is wrong to al-Sham which is correct? Worldedixor ( talk) 04:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks, as I mentioned above, I've drafted what I think is an improved "Ideology and beliefs" section, which both describes terms, and attempts to present things in a more coherent order than the current section. However, since there's some controversy related to these details, I've dropped my draft into my userspace so folks and review it and provide feedback. Here's the draft.
I know there's been some discussion of this section here before, and believe this still fits within the consensus acheived in those discussions, but please let me know if I've missed anything. I very much consider this a draft, and not a final version, so happy to discuss possible alternatives.
Very curious on people's thoughts here. Suomichris ( talk) 23:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else have thoughts or concerns about this draft before I implement? Suomichris ( talk) 18:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
See [7]. Dougweller ( talk) 16:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The discussion on this was side-tracked by the long digression above; it can be resumed here. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
(This is brought forward from the section "Use of bold text on talk pages" below) First, if one person disagrees with a proposed edit, there is no consensus, and I did not agree. Secondly, the document
here that Hariboneagle and Worldedixor say proves that the Israeli law definition of unlawful organizations includes terrorist organizations does not do that. It says this in the heading,
and this in section 2,
(The highlighting there is mine.) It then goes on to list, separately, a number of unlawful organisations, and a number of terrorist organisations. That document it is simply a list of the organisations that the Israeli government has designated, in that particular certification, as unlawful organisations and as terrorist organisations, as even a cursory glance through it will show. It does not equate "unlawful" with "terrorist", or to put it in the way the two editors put it, the adjective "unlawful" there does not include "terrorist", they are treated as two quite separate things. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 23:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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In Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Name and name changes, after this sentence
Add the following,
Cite these two references as sources:
— 72.244.200.230 ( talk) 15:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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The name should be changed from "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" to Islamic State (Caliphate) on account of the fact that this group does not call itself the Islamic State of "Iraq and the Levant," just "The Islamic State". The word "Caliphate" prevents confusion between this specific terrorist organization from the concept of a nation being run on Islamic values. 2605:6000:9D83:D800:BDDF:BF51:FE6:56A5 ( talk) 02:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Due to censorship , it is difficult to find official website and other official digital material( made by ISIS ). Some official sources should be listed ( with date , when they was valid ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4118:16:1:0:0:0:16 ( talk) 16:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Probably they use TOR hidden server as official website.
I have grasped the nettle and attempted to solve (a) the contradiction described in
#Successor or name change? and
#Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād above and (b) the inconsistency between the "IS" and "ISIS" references in the Lead (i.e. before it referred to the group as both IS and ISIS without proper linking). It may not be the best wording, so if editors can think of a better way, or think I have made any mistakes, please change it or discuss here. The overall description of the group's history in para 2 now matches the description in the "Name and name changes" section. For comparison with later versions, this was my version:
I leave it to others to judge whether subsequent versions are better. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Draft:2013 Islamic State kidnapping of British aid worker is created and ready to go however User talk:G S Palmer is wanting community consensus approval for this article to be included. I emailed the functionaries 2 days ago for their approval in publishing this draft but have not received a reply. I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 115#2013 Islamic State kidnapping of British aid worker.~ Technophant ( talk) 21:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
This guy is now dead. Name is no longer withheld. JhonsJoe ( talk) 00:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Technophant: I am unclear as to why you reverted my edit here. [8]. What is Gaz? and can you elaborate? Worldedixor ( talk) 21:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Why not just "commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq"? That covers the West, the Arabic world and everywhere else, and shows it isn't an official name, and it doesn't contradict the description in "Name and name changes". The citation in a footnote in para 2 of "Name and name changes", an article from the Combating Terrorism Center by Dr Michael Knight, a Middle East specialist from WINEP, so a RS, says this:
That would back up "commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq". -- P123ct1 ( talk) 12:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is now over 260kB long and needs to be split for readability ( WP:SIZESPLIT) to be under the suggested 100kB length. I suggest that the first and most logical split should be the section on Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (JTJ). This group was formed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the aftermath of the Soviet-Afghan War in 1999. It takes up a big part of this article is an obvious choice to split back to it's own article. A summary section should be created, and a {{ Main}} template should be placed the top of the section to link to the new page. The last known good version of the page before the merge can be viewed here. ~ Technophant ( talk) 04:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This section is historical in nature and stable, has relevance to the current page, but could probably be best be spilt to Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) or Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn. A summary section should be created, and a {{ Main}} template should be placed the top of the section to link to the new page. The last known good version of the page before the merge can be viewed here. ~ Technophant ( talk) 05:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've edited the mass of stuff at Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad to remove redundancies and add the right content from here, and I think it now roughly stands on its own. There may be things missing or present that still need adjustment, but I think it is independent enough that you can start thinking about summary style on this end... checking carefully to make sure nothing's being lost. I am picturing that the oath of allegiance, death of Zarqawi, death of al-Masri, and repudiation by al-Qaeda are the main dividing lines that should be used to split the history into sections, each with its own article. Wnt ( talk) 07:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
As it was decided above there's a consensus to split the content of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn to it's own article. I've already copied the text here, set a Main template, and changed most of the redirects, and started to re-establish an infobox. What needs to be done is:
Thanks for all your help. Keep up the good work!.~ Technophant ( talk) 20:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone has altered many - but not all - instances of "ISIS" to "ISIL" throughout the article, and has even altered quotations from citations, changing "ISIS" to "ISIL". Who did this? Such a large change should be brought to the Talk page for discussion and agreement first. The article is now a sad mess because of this. This article is getting from 60,000 to 160,000 hits a day at the moment. What impression is Wikipedia giving here? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Once again an editor has removed the flags, but according to WP:MOS, they are acceptable when the subject is military conflict - see 2.1.2. The Syrian Civil War article contains a large number. Should the flags be restored? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
My changes to the Lead have been reverted and this was my version. (Please note punctuation clean-up.)
This is a plain statement of fact and is adequate, IMO.
I removed "Global war on terrorism" from the second infobox, as "Participants in the Global War on Terrorism" suggests to me fighters against terrorism. (This has also been reverted.) From Wikipedia:
-- P123ct1 ( talk) 19:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The article obviously needs a new title. It still carries the old and outdated title, so lets reach a consensus on that and change it already. I don't mind Islamic State (capital)...? -- Midrashah ( talk) 08:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Its long-winded but could the opener read:
The Islamic State (IS;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah) is a
Sunni
jihadist group, previously self-described: as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL
/ˈaɪsəl/;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام also translated: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS
/ˈaɪsɪs/, with Arabic acronym: داعش Daʿesh); as Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn and as
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad.
Can remaining content from the second paragraph be moved to history?
Can content from the third paragraph be moved, perhaps to a new section on something like "growth" or early growth?
It just seems that the lead is currently unwieldy.
The opener currently reads:
The Islamic State (IS;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah), previously self-described as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL
/ˈaɪsəl/;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام also translated: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS
/ˈaɪsɪs/, with Arabic acronym: داعش Daʿesh) ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah fīl-ʿIrāq wash-Shām). The group is also known by the Arabic acronym DAʿESH (
Arabic: داعش Dāʿish). These names continue to be used colloquially.}} is a
Sunni
jihadist group in the
Middle East.
I suggest cutting reference to "Middle East" on the basis that most readers will be able to work that out.
Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Re [17], this "non-scientific" poll was originated on Facebook, the propagated on a bunch of non-reliable, newly created websites and non-official Youtube channels. Does the simple fact that RT published it make it "well sourced content"? Worldedixor ( talk) 21:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm for using RTV, with attribution. Its all propaganda to some degree or another, fellas.. -- Director ( talk) 02:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)]
I saw the acronym DAISH in another site and wanted to know what it stood for, so I came to Wikipedia.
All I get is a redirect. Usually, the reason for the redirect can be found somewhere in the article, but not this time.
If it deserves a redirect, it deserves an explanation, no?
-- Mfwills ( talk) 10:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
There is another hostage that is an American woman who can NOT be named due to privacy. On August 26, 2014, it was widely reported that ISIS demanded 6.6 million dollars in ransom for her.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/isis-demands-66m-ransom-26-year-american-woman/story?id=25127682
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/isis-ransom_n_5715461.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bkAfHTFl1s - "kidnapped a year ago while doing humanitarian aid work inside Syria" ISIS threatened execution of the woman unless they paid the ransom, or released a certain high profile prisoner. She was working at a hospital in the Syrian city of Aleppo. They demanded Aafia Siddiqui releaesed. The Sadiqqui family condemned the demands
one more ref:
http://abc13.com/news/isis-demands-$66m-ransom-for-26-year-old-american-woman/281509/ MeropeRiddle ( talk) 03:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | → | Archive 15 |
An editor has added Israel to the list of countries designating ISIS as a terrorist organization. That is the first time I have seen "unlawful" mean "terrorist". (See appended citation here). -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC).
@ Worldedixor and Hariboneagle927:
Tangential discussion,
WP:NOTAFORUM
|
---|
@
Worldedixor:, how about this - please get consensus before adding potentially controversial material. If you get reverted don't revert back (potential edit warring), follow
WP:BRD and take it to the talk page, BE CIVIL, and stop giving overly dramatic arguments as to why you are right and other editors are wrong.~
Technophant (
talk) 23:14, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
|
I have no opinion on whether the name of the page should be Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or anything else but I do find it odd that the page name does not match the initial use in the lead. -- Khajidha ( talk) 15:59, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
An uniformed editor Ericl ( talk) seems to think erroneously that al-Shams in Arabic means the Levant [4] which is wrong. His misinformation made this page [5] look odd in an encyclopedia. I am incompetent in correcting the name, and I recognize my limitations. So, before I ask for admin help, does anyone know how to change al-Shams which is wrong to al-Sham which is correct? Worldedixor ( talk) 04:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey folks, as I mentioned above, I've drafted what I think is an improved "Ideology and beliefs" section, which both describes terms, and attempts to present things in a more coherent order than the current section. However, since there's some controversy related to these details, I've dropped my draft into my userspace so folks and review it and provide feedback. Here's the draft.
I know there's been some discussion of this section here before, and believe this still fits within the consensus acheived in those discussions, but please let me know if I've missed anything. I very much consider this a draft, and not a final version, so happy to discuss possible alternatives.
Very curious on people's thoughts here. Suomichris ( talk) 23:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else have thoughts or concerns about this draft before I implement? Suomichris ( talk) 18:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
See [7]. Dougweller ( talk) 16:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The discussion on this was side-tracked by the long digression above; it can be resumed here. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
(This is brought forward from the section "Use of bold text on talk pages" below) First, if one person disagrees with a proposed edit, there is no consensus, and I did not agree. Secondly, the document
here that Hariboneagle and Worldedixor say proves that the Israeli law definition of unlawful organizations includes terrorist organizations does not do that. It says this in the heading,
and this in section 2,
(The highlighting there is mine.) It then goes on to list, separately, a number of unlawful organisations, and a number of terrorist organisations. That document it is simply a list of the organisations that the Israeli government has designated, in that particular certification, as unlawful organisations and as terrorist organisations, as even a cursory glance through it will show. It does not equate "unlawful" with "terrorist", or to put it in the way the two editors put it, the adjective "unlawful" there does not include "terrorist", they are treated as two quite separate things. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 23:11, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Name and name changes, after this sentence
Add the following,
Cite these two references as sources:
— 72.244.200.230 ( talk) 15:00, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The name should be changed from "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" to Islamic State (Caliphate) on account of the fact that this group does not call itself the Islamic State of "Iraq and the Levant," just "The Islamic State". The word "Caliphate" prevents confusion between this specific terrorist organization from the concept of a nation being run on Islamic values. 2605:6000:9D83:D800:BDDF:BF51:FE6:56A5 ( talk) 02:56, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Due to censorship , it is difficult to find official website and other official digital material( made by ISIS ). Some official sources should be listed ( with date , when they was valid ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4118:16:1:0:0:0:16 ( talk) 16:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
Probably they use TOR hidden server as official website.
I have grasped the nettle and attempted to solve (a) the contradiction described in
#Successor or name change? and
#Jamāʻat al-Tawḥīd wa-al-Jihād above and (b) the inconsistency between the "IS" and "ISIS" references in the Lead (i.e. before it referred to the group as both IS and ISIS without proper linking). It may not be the best wording, so if editors can think of a better way, or think I have made any mistakes, please change it or discuss here. The overall description of the group's history in para 2 now matches the description in the "Name and name changes" section. For comparison with later versions, this was my version:
I leave it to others to judge whether subsequent versions are better. -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:43, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Draft:2013 Islamic State kidnapping of British aid worker is created and ready to go however User talk:G S Palmer is wanting community consensus approval for this article to be included. I emailed the functionaries 2 days ago for their approval in publishing this draft but have not received a reply. I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 115#2013 Islamic State kidnapping of British aid worker.~ Technophant ( talk) 21:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
This guy is now dead. Name is no longer withheld. JhonsJoe ( talk) 00:21, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Technophant: I am unclear as to why you reverted my edit here. [8]. What is Gaz? and can you elaborate? Worldedixor ( talk) 21:05, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Why not just "commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq"? That covers the West, the Arabic world and everywhere else, and shows it isn't an official name, and it doesn't contradict the description in "Name and name changes". The citation in a footnote in para 2 of "Name and name changes", an article from the Combating Terrorism Center by Dr Michael Knight, a Middle East specialist from WINEP, so a RS, says this:
That would back up "commonly known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq". -- P123ct1 ( talk) 12:36, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article is now over 260kB long and needs to be split for readability ( WP:SIZESPLIT) to be under the suggested 100kB length. I suggest that the first and most logical split should be the section on Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (JTJ). This group was formed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the aftermath of the Soviet-Afghan War in 1999. It takes up a big part of this article is an obvious choice to split back to it's own article. A summary section should be created, and a {{ Main}} template should be placed the top of the section to link to the new page. The last known good version of the page before the merge can be viewed here. ~ Technophant ( talk) 04:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This section is historical in nature and stable, has relevance to the current page, but could probably be best be spilt to Al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) or Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn. A summary section should be created, and a {{ Main}} template should be placed the top of the section to link to the new page. The last known good version of the page before the merge can be viewed here. ~ Technophant ( talk) 05:21, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've edited the mass of stuff at Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad to remove redundancies and add the right content from here, and I think it now roughly stands on its own. There may be things missing or present that still need adjustment, but I think it is independent enough that you can start thinking about summary style on this end... checking carefully to make sure nothing's being lost. I am picturing that the oath of allegiance, death of Zarqawi, death of al-Masri, and repudiation by al-Qaeda are the main dividing lines that should be used to split the history into sections, each with its own article. Wnt ( talk) 07:07, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
As it was decided above there's a consensus to split the content of Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn to it's own article. I've already copied the text here, set a Main template, and changed most of the redirects, and started to re-establish an infobox. What needs to be done is:
Thanks for all your help. Keep up the good work!.~ Technophant ( talk) 20:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Someone has altered many - but not all - instances of "ISIS" to "ISIL" throughout the article, and has even altered quotations from citations, changing "ISIS" to "ISIL". Who did this? Such a large change should be brought to the Talk page for discussion and agreement first. The article is now a sad mess because of this. This article is getting from 60,000 to 160,000 hits a day at the moment. What impression is Wikipedia giving here? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 16:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Once again an editor has removed the flags, but according to WP:MOS, they are acceptable when the subject is military conflict - see 2.1.2. The Syrian Civil War article contains a large number. Should the flags be restored? -- P123ct1 ( talk) 17:02, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
My changes to the Lead have been reverted and this was my version. (Please note punctuation clean-up.)
This is a plain statement of fact and is adequate, IMO.
I removed "Global war on terrorism" from the second infobox, as "Participants in the Global War on Terrorism" suggests to me fighters against terrorism. (This has also been reverted.) From Wikipedia:
-- P123ct1 ( talk) 19:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
The article obviously needs a new title. It still carries the old and outdated title, so lets reach a consensus on that and change it already. I don't mind Islamic State (capital)...? -- Midrashah ( talk) 08:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Its long-winded but could the opener read:
The Islamic State (IS;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah) is a
Sunni
jihadist group, previously self-described: as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL
/ˈaɪsəl/;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام also translated: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS
/ˈaɪsɪs/, with Arabic acronym: داعش Daʿesh); as Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn and as
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad.
Can remaining content from the second paragraph be moved to history?
Can content from the third paragraph be moved, perhaps to a new section on something like "growth" or early growth?
It just seems that the lead is currently unwieldy.
The opener currently reads:
The Islamic State (IS;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah), previously self-described as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL
/ˈaɪsəl/;
Arabic: الدولة الإسلامية في العراق والشام also translated: Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS
/ˈaɪsɪs/, with Arabic acronym: داعش Daʿesh) ad-Dawlah l-ʾIslāmiyyah fīl-ʿIrāq wash-Shām). The group is also known by the Arabic acronym DAʿESH (
Arabic: داعش Dāʿish). These names continue to be used colloquially.}} is a
Sunni
jihadist group in the
Middle East.
I suggest cutting reference to "Middle East" on the basis that most readers will be able to work that out.
Gregkaye ✍♪ 12:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Re [17], this "non-scientific" poll was originated on Facebook, the propagated on a bunch of non-reliable, newly created websites and non-official Youtube channels. Does the simple fact that RT published it make it "well sourced content"? Worldedixor ( talk) 21:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm for using RTV, with attribution. Its all propaganda to some degree or another, fellas.. -- Director ( talk) 02:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)]
I saw the acronym DAISH in another site and wanted to know what it stood for, so I came to Wikipedia.
All I get is a redirect. Usually, the reason for the redirect can be found somewhere in the article, but not this time.
If it deserves a redirect, it deserves an explanation, no?
-- Mfwills ( talk) 10:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
There is another hostage that is an American woman who can NOT be named due to privacy. On August 26, 2014, it was widely reported that ISIS demanded 6.6 million dollars in ransom for her.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/isis-demands-66m-ransom-26-year-american-woman/story?id=25127682
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/isis-ransom_n_5715461.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bkAfHTFl1s - "kidnapped a year ago while doing humanitarian aid work inside Syria" ISIS threatened execution of the woman unless they paid the ransom, or released a certain high profile prisoner. She was working at a hospital in the Syrian city of Aleppo. They demanded Aafia Siddiqui releaesed. The Sadiqqui family condemned the demands
one more ref:
http://abc13.com/news/isis-demands-$66m-ransom-for-26-year-old-american-woman/281509/ MeropeRiddle ( talk) 03:40, 16 September 2014 (UTC)