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Is this a Shia or Sunni mosque?-- 79.69.98.109 ( talk) 21:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
A long speech quote from the Supreme Leader of Iran about the "octopus-like hegemony of international Zionism" being a "cancerous tumour that must be removed" doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article about a particular religious centre in north London. The speech wasn't (that I can see) delivered at the Islamic Centre of England, it's just one of many of his speeches that the Islamic Centre mirrors on its website.
This was originally added with the loaded preamble that "The centre's website publishes controversial, including Anti-Semitic, statements..." After I took it out as inappropriate, User:Ssilvers added the hegemony/cancer quote back "without characterizing it", but I don't really see how this is any better. Should it be removed? -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 09:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Tanbircdq - this page is not about UK politics, so I have reverting your deletion: when introducing a new person on this page, it is helpful for the reader to know who he is and his role at the time - so this half-sentence is helpful 'who a year later became leader of the opposition Labour Party in the UK,' CanterburyUK ( talk) 08:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
I left that material because there are a large number of sources—including press coverage such as those two—that mention the centre in the context of its being under Iranian control. That event celebrating the anniversary of the Islamic Republic should probably be mentioned on this page, with the first of the two Corbyn references used among others to support the point. It is a prominent religious institution, but so is the Saudi-sponsored mosque; regardless of its name, this is not the main Islamic centre in England. Contrary to the tag, I do not see any grounds for regarding the topic as non-notable (or reducing it to a page about the historic building with the Islamic Centre as merely its current use). However, CanterburyUK keeps adding primary sources and original research, obscuring what the third-party sources say, which is that the Iranian control and events held in conformity with that are the main context in which the centre's name keeps coming up outside of religious publications within its own nexus. I would like the editor to do his own search for coverage in newspapers and books and help us document the notability more clearly by better summarising that material. And it would be nice if they could find the page on the website where the centre itself lists its directors; it may only be in Farsi, but surely exists. I don't like us relying so much on Companies House. Yngvadottir ( talk) 17:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
I reverted this today. It is well sourced from companies house and helps to set the scene about this organisation. Before anyone deletes this again, can they talk about it here first. Many thanks CanterburyUK ( talk) 08:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Please help to report accurately to what the demonstration on the centre during Mahsa Amini Protests meant rather than trying to push inaccurate and broken links and state non factual content that pictures demonstrations for Mahsa Amini as thugs. 2A02:C7C:E25A:6A00:7DDF:819D:5FD3:4CBE ( talk) 22:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Is this a Shia or Sunni mosque?-- 79.69.98.109 ( talk) 21:31, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
A long speech quote from the Supreme Leader of Iran about the "octopus-like hegemony of international Zionism" being a "cancerous tumour that must be removed" doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia article about a particular religious centre in north London. The speech wasn't (that I can see) delivered at the Islamic Centre of England, it's just one of many of his speeches that the Islamic Centre mirrors on its website.
This was originally added with the loaded preamble that "The centre's website publishes controversial, including Anti-Semitic, statements..." After I took it out as inappropriate, User:Ssilvers added the hegemony/cancer quote back "without characterizing it", but I don't really see how this is any better. Should it be removed? -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 09:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Tanbircdq - this page is not about UK politics, so I have reverting your deletion: when introducing a new person on this page, it is helpful for the reader to know who he is and his role at the time - so this half-sentence is helpful 'who a year later became leader of the opposition Labour Party in the UK,' CanterburyUK ( talk) 08:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
I left that material because there are a large number of sources—including press coverage such as those two—that mention the centre in the context of its being under Iranian control. That event celebrating the anniversary of the Islamic Republic should probably be mentioned on this page, with the first of the two Corbyn references used among others to support the point. It is a prominent religious institution, but so is the Saudi-sponsored mosque; regardless of its name, this is not the main Islamic centre in England. Contrary to the tag, I do not see any grounds for regarding the topic as non-notable (or reducing it to a page about the historic building with the Islamic Centre as merely its current use). However, CanterburyUK keeps adding primary sources and original research, obscuring what the third-party sources say, which is that the Iranian control and events held in conformity with that are the main context in which the centre's name keeps coming up outside of religious publications within its own nexus. I would like the editor to do his own search for coverage in newspapers and books and help us document the notability more clearly by better summarising that material. And it would be nice if they could find the page on the website where the centre itself lists its directors; it may only be in Farsi, but surely exists. I don't like us relying so much on Companies House. Yngvadottir ( talk) 17:06, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
I reverted this today. It is well sourced from companies house and helps to set the scene about this organisation. Before anyone deletes this again, can they talk about it here first. Many thanks CanterburyUK ( talk) 08:42, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Please help to report accurately to what the demonstration on the centre during Mahsa Amini Protests meant rather than trying to push inaccurate and broken links and state non factual content that pictures demonstrations for Mahsa Amini as thugs. 2A02:C7C:E25A:6A00:7DDF:819D:5FD3:4CBE ( talk) 22:36, 15 December 2022 (UTC)