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Latter Day Saints believe as Muslims do, that there is no trinity, however their notion of the Godhead is very different... Muslims do not believe that God fathered Jesus, but Mormons believe that Heavenly Father has a body and had physical intercourse with Mary (Maryam) to produce Jesus - something which is extremely "shirk" to Muslims. This should be at least mentioned. -- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
A stone plays a significant role in both religions: The Kaaba Stone is the center of Mecca. Joseph Smith used a "Seer Stone" to translate the Book of Mormon. This is an odd coincidence that might merit inclusion in the list of similarities. NOTE: Judaism has a Foundational Stone and Christ declared Simon Peter to be his rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yintercept ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
This article does not mention anything about how Muslims and Mormons are not similar or how Muslims have trouble with the Mormon faith on a theological basis as Mormons cannot be defined as either Kaffir or Ahl Al-Kitab. Furthermore, since Mohammad is believed to be the last prophet, Smith's existance is a theological problem for Muslims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.183.231 ( talk) 19:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I boldly removed two images used to illustrate the introduction section. However, I now realize that a lot of the images used to illustrate this article would fall in the same category as those two, i.e. images with tangential relevance to the subject. I object to the use of images for purely ornamental reasons, which I find to be the situation with this article. Images should reflect what is discussed in the text, not merely serve as ornaments. "It's nice to have some pictures" should not be sufficient reason for stuffing a dozen images into an article. __ meco ( talk) 07:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
This page has been listed in the requesting an assessment pages in the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, WikiProject Religion and WikiProject Islam for quite some time. Given that and being part of the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement team, I looked over the article the best I could, to do an assessment.
Given that:
This article at minimum meets “C” class, so I am going to move this article to "C" class. I am 100% sure it disserves a "C" Class.
However, this dose not mean that this article doesn’t disserve a higher rating, just that I don’t feel I can assess any article above “C”. Most of the requirements for "B" class and above are related to the Manual of Style and the related style guidelines. My knowledge of those things is too lacking for me to make any quality judgment past "C" class.
Therefore I am going to leave this listed in all the "request an assessment" pages, to determine if it should be moved up again (as I suspect.)-- ARTEST4ECHO talk 15:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The article states "Mormonism equally emphasizes charitable giving, starting with a mandatory tithe of 10% of one's gross income, generally before taxes or expenses are paid.[76]"
The reference (76) discusses tithing, but does not specifically say anything about gross income, taxes, or expenses. I think the reference should then be moves closer to the part that is actually stated in the referred material. Then, I wonder if the gross/taxes/expenses section can be left, if there isn't a reference to support it. The article that is linked in reference 76 clearly states:
I can't find an official declaration anywhere that says that the LDS tithing is to be based on gross income, before taxes or expenses. Am I picking at a nit here? (Which is why I'm asking before making an edit.) Abinidi ( talk) 17:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Do Muslims consider Mormons to be People of the Book? Is there any Islamic jurisprudence on this subject? If so, it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.229.58 ( talk) 05:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
This article consists largely, although not entirely, of synthesis, which is prohibited by Wikipedia policy. The vast majority of the sources quoted in this article do not compare Mormonism and Islam but rather discuss one or the other. Setting statements from these sources side-by-side advances positions that constitute original research. Unless much of this article is provided with new sources that discuss the similarities and differences between the two religions rather than discussing the attributes of one or the other, much of the information in this article should be removed. Neelix ( talk) 15:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your compliment! I hope someone is able to find those references, and that the article itself can be saved. I'm so busy now, I can't even think of taking on something like this, any time in the foreseeable future. Sounds like the same, with you. Cheers! - Ecjmartin ( talk) 11:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
In this diff, the following
was reverted to
with a note saying
First, how are restrictions on meat consumption in both faiths unrelated to each other in this article where we intentionally compare/contrast these same faiths?
Second, where is the wp:OR in stating that Mormonism formerly had limitations on meat slaughtering & consumption? There are valid references pointing to where it is described in the Word of Wisdom, an academic article which describes the previous prominence of the meat restriction along with it's modern de-emphasis, and an official LDS Church study manual for collegiate level study of this portion of LDS scripture, which provided the current justification given for the modern position. All of this is documented, and it isn't even wp:SYNTH to include, much less OR. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
From 1833 to 1901 Latter-day Saints were taught that that meat should be used "sparingly", and not eaten except "in times of winter, or of cold, or famine" or "excess of hunger"; that wording is still included in the Standard Works. The LDS meat restrictions specify nothing about refrigeration and freshness; that is simply the modern justification given for why the restrictions no longer apply, and was only included to help explain why this restriction is essentially dead in the modern church.
You are correct that unlike halal, the restrictions are not based on species of animal; instead it specifies more broadly "the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth". Fish and many other types of animals are not covered, based on their type, location, and mode of locomotion. Also unlike halal, this was not a haraam restriction, instead being essentially makruh in type, where following this teaching pleases God, and certain extenuating circumstances are also accounted for.
The D&C reference was specific for the quoted term "sparingly", which is part of the original text; since it is a quotation I wanted to point to where its source is. It also brackets where the source of the restriction is found, but doesn't rely on the original text alone, as 3rd party RS were provided in the same sentence for interpreting it & putting it into context, so not OR. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 21:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
See the Revelation of 1843 and the Quran, chapter 33. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 16:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Please provide
reliable sources to whatever you want to add. Thank you
~ AdvertAdam
talk
06:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I added the text saying: "A division of the religion into two parties (after the death of the founding prophet), where one party claims that the leadership should continue through the descendents of the prophet and the other party rejects this idea." This could be argued to be incorrect since there are more divisions of both religions. Even though I think it is remarkable that the succession crises are so similar, it might be worth rephrasing. Feel free to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.227.175 ( talk) 23:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Under 'Differences between Mormonism and Islam' there is the point "Whereas Mormonism has a hierarchical structure, culminating in a single President of the Church, Islam does not." this needs to be removed or clarified. While Islam currently does not have a universally recognized Caliphate, the idea of the Caliph is still part of Islamic ideology. While the position of the Caliph is not as authoritative as the Mormon President/Prophet, there is still some similarity. Sharule ( talk) 18:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The current reference #56: James A. Toronto (August 2000). "A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad" from the Ensign requires an LDS login to be viewed. I found a valid link that does not require such login credentials but am not familiar enough with the rules of wikipedia to replace a source with a different link to the same. Would anyone like to make this change?
Here is the link.
http://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/08/a-latter-day-saint-perspective-on-muhammad?lang=eng
98.202.84.31 ( talk) 21:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
This verse appears to allude to the Qu'ran, describing its characteristic quality of completeness and Arabian (non-Jewish) origin.
2 Nephi 29:6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
This verse is not well known as if under-studied, and should be brought to the attention of your religious community leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.154.244.243 ( talk) 22:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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It is says here, without a citation, that Mormons believe that every human being lived together with God before they were born in flesh, and so on they believe in the pre-existence, and that Islam denies this concept. I don't know if it means that Islam denies the concept of the pre-existence, because then that is not accurate because as far as I have study, all branches of Islam believe in the pre-existence of the soul, including even the Quranists. Coyote7798 ( talk) 07:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
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Latter Day Saints believe as Muslims do, that there is no trinity, however their notion of the Godhead is very different... Muslims do not believe that God fathered Jesus, but Mormons believe that Heavenly Father has a body and had physical intercourse with Mary (Maryam) to produce Jesus - something which is extremely "shirk" to Muslims. This should be at least mentioned. -- MacRusgail ( talk) 17:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
A stone plays a significant role in both religions: The Kaaba Stone is the center of Mecca. Joseph Smith used a "Seer Stone" to translate the Book of Mormon. This is an odd coincidence that might merit inclusion in the list of similarities. NOTE: Judaism has a Foundational Stone and Christ declared Simon Peter to be his rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yintercept ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
This article does not mention anything about how Muslims and Mormons are not similar or how Muslims have trouble with the Mormon faith on a theological basis as Mormons cannot be defined as either Kaffir or Ahl Al-Kitab. Furthermore, since Mohammad is believed to be the last prophet, Smith's existance is a theological problem for Muslims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.183.231 ( talk) 19:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I boldly removed two images used to illustrate the introduction section. However, I now realize that a lot of the images used to illustrate this article would fall in the same category as those two, i.e. images with tangential relevance to the subject. I object to the use of images for purely ornamental reasons, which I find to be the situation with this article. Images should reflect what is discussed in the text, not merely serve as ornaments. "It's nice to have some pictures" should not be sufficient reason for stuffing a dozen images into an article. __ meco ( talk) 07:27, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
This page has been listed in the requesting an assessment pages in the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement, WikiProject Religion and WikiProject Islam for quite some time. Given that and being part of the WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement team, I looked over the article the best I could, to do an assessment.
Given that:
This article at minimum meets “C” class, so I am going to move this article to "C" class. I am 100% sure it disserves a "C" Class.
However, this dose not mean that this article doesn’t disserve a higher rating, just that I don’t feel I can assess any article above “C”. Most of the requirements for "B" class and above are related to the Manual of Style and the related style guidelines. My knowledge of those things is too lacking for me to make any quality judgment past "C" class.
Therefore I am going to leave this listed in all the "request an assessment" pages, to determine if it should be moved up again (as I suspect.)-- ARTEST4ECHO talk 15:04, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
The article states "Mormonism equally emphasizes charitable giving, starting with a mandatory tithe of 10% of one's gross income, generally before taxes or expenses are paid.[76]"
The reference (76) discusses tithing, but does not specifically say anything about gross income, taxes, or expenses. I think the reference should then be moves closer to the part that is actually stated in the referred material. Then, I wonder if the gross/taxes/expenses section can be left, if there isn't a reference to support it. The article that is linked in reference 76 clearly states:
I can't find an official declaration anywhere that says that the LDS tithing is to be based on gross income, before taxes or expenses. Am I picking at a nit here? (Which is why I'm asking before making an edit.) Abinidi ( talk) 17:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Do Muslims consider Mormons to be People of the Book? Is there any Islamic jurisprudence on this subject? If so, it should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.229.58 ( talk) 05:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
This article consists largely, although not entirely, of synthesis, which is prohibited by Wikipedia policy. The vast majority of the sources quoted in this article do not compare Mormonism and Islam but rather discuss one or the other. Setting statements from these sources side-by-side advances positions that constitute original research. Unless much of this article is provided with new sources that discuss the similarities and differences between the two religions rather than discussing the attributes of one or the other, much of the information in this article should be removed. Neelix ( talk) 15:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your compliment! I hope someone is able to find those references, and that the article itself can be saved. I'm so busy now, I can't even think of taking on something like this, any time in the foreseeable future. Sounds like the same, with you. Cheers! - Ecjmartin ( talk) 11:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
In this diff, the following
was reverted to
with a note saying
First, how are restrictions on meat consumption in both faiths unrelated to each other in this article where we intentionally compare/contrast these same faiths?
Second, where is the wp:OR in stating that Mormonism formerly had limitations on meat slaughtering & consumption? There are valid references pointing to where it is described in the Word of Wisdom, an academic article which describes the previous prominence of the meat restriction along with it's modern de-emphasis, and an official LDS Church study manual for collegiate level study of this portion of LDS scripture, which provided the current justification given for the modern position. All of this is documented, and it isn't even wp:SYNTH to include, much less OR. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 18:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
From 1833 to 1901 Latter-day Saints were taught that that meat should be used "sparingly", and not eaten except "in times of winter, or of cold, or famine" or "excess of hunger"; that wording is still included in the Standard Works. The LDS meat restrictions specify nothing about refrigeration and freshness; that is simply the modern justification given for why the restrictions no longer apply, and was only included to help explain why this restriction is essentially dead in the modern church.
You are correct that unlike halal, the restrictions are not based on species of animal; instead it specifies more broadly "the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth". Fish and many other types of animals are not covered, based on their type, location, and mode of locomotion. Also unlike halal, this was not a haraam restriction, instead being essentially makruh in type, where following this teaching pleases God, and certain extenuating circumstances are also accounted for.
The D&C reference was specific for the quoted term "sparingly", which is part of the original text; since it is a quotation I wanted to point to where its source is. It also brackets where the source of the restriction is found, but doesn't rely on the original text alone, as 3rd party RS were provided in the same sentence for interpreting it & putting it into context, so not OR. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 21:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
See the Revelation of 1843 and the Quran, chapter 33. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 ( talk) 16:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Please provide
reliable sources to whatever you want to add. Thank you
~ AdvertAdam
talk
06:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I added the text saying: "A division of the religion into two parties (after the death of the founding prophet), where one party claims that the leadership should continue through the descendents of the prophet and the other party rejects this idea." This could be argued to be incorrect since there are more divisions of both religions. Even though I think it is remarkable that the succession crises are so similar, it might be worth rephrasing. Feel free to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.224.227.175 ( talk) 23:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Under 'Differences between Mormonism and Islam' there is the point "Whereas Mormonism has a hierarchical structure, culminating in a single President of the Church, Islam does not." this needs to be removed or clarified. While Islam currently does not have a universally recognized Caliphate, the idea of the Caliph is still part of Islamic ideology. While the position of the Caliph is not as authoritative as the Mormon President/Prophet, there is still some similarity. Sharule ( talk) 18:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The current reference #56: James A. Toronto (August 2000). "A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad" from the Ensign requires an LDS login to be viewed. I found a valid link that does not require such login credentials but am not familiar enough with the rules of wikipedia to replace a source with a different link to the same. Would anyone like to make this change?
Here is the link.
http://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/08/a-latter-day-saint-perspective-on-muhammad?lang=eng
98.202.84.31 ( talk) 21:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
This verse appears to allude to the Qu'ran, describing its characteristic quality of completeness and Arabian (non-Jewish) origin.
2 Nephi 29:6 Thou fool, that shall say: A Bible, we have got a Bible, and we need no more Bible. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews?
This verse is not well known as if under-studied, and should be brought to the attention of your religious community leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.154.244.243 ( talk) 22:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
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It is says here, without a citation, that Mormons believe that every human being lived together with God before they were born in flesh, and so on they believe in the pre-existence, and that Islam denies this concept. I don't know if it means that Islam denies the concept of the pre-existence, because then that is not accurate because as far as I have study, all branches of Islam believe in the pre-existence of the soul, including even the Quranists. Coyote7798 ( talk) 07:46, 13 July 2018 (UTC)