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Mention should be made of Masaharu Morimoto's 16-7-1 record on the original Iron Chef, even if only as a footnote in the stats table. Sings-With-Spirits ( talk) 02:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
This was on the news...anybody know whether it is real? Should it be mentioned in the article? -- 96.21.156.229 ( talk) 13:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Watching last night's Iron Chef America Super Chef battle (with the White House garden theme), I noted Chef Lagasse's white jacket top during the judging segment said "Iron Chef Lagasse" on it. Is this jacket labeling in itself enough to elevate Chef Lagasse to Iron Chef status (akin to similar status as Wolfgang Puck)? For visual proof, see http://www.foodnetwork.com/super-chef-battle/video/index.html video at 0:24, a image in back of the White House, as well as http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2009/12/02/ica_super-chef-battle_emeril-lagasse_s4x3_lg.jpg Erpbridge ( talk) 18:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you could call Lagasse an Iron Chef. The Chairman and the captions clearly identify him as a Super Chef; the costume detail may be a production error. PhantomObnserver|talk 18:34, 4 Feb 2010 (UTC)
If we want to be accurate on this detail, one just needs to mention that the fruits and vegetables picked from the White House garden were delivered to a local food pantry. The produce used in Kitchen Stadium in New York were replacements, possibly originating closer to New York. However, honey (the only ingredient that does not spoil) was the one item that could be and was shipped to New York from the White House beehive. (This issue started a controversy in the American political world, but I believe only the facts should be written and the politics be set aside.) Both teams were only allowed to use the types and amount of produce they picked in the White House garden. I remember Bobby Flay getting upset at Mario Batali for taking of both available colored cauliflowers. Tape delay production likely prevented Food Network from shipping the produce from Washington. After all, if you think about it, taking fruits and vegetables from the White House garden to New York City defeats the purpose of using locally grown produce. Dallas Morning News DaDoc540 ( talk) 04:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
This article could do with addressing the controversy regarding the staged nature of this show more directly.
There have been a number of reports about the staged nature of the production of this show, most aspects of which Food Network has eventually conceded to. Some of these aspects are included in the article (e.g. ingredients known ahead, only one chef present etc.) but they are buried; the editing shows a favorable bias towards the show. It does not take long researching the show to find many articles about the show and how the highly edited and staged production is not at all transparent to its viewers.
Much of this controversy was "handled" by Food Network by admitting to it not being real, this article pretends as though it was always obvious this was the case (as does Food Network). I could imagine Food Network's PR wanting the page in its current state which I believe intentionally clouds the aspects of this show which are not real and its history.
My edit referencing the Village Voice article detailing the production of the show source was reverted twice by User:DrMargi. The first revert cites a non-objective source (Ted Allen, Food Network), the second just seems to say it's factually incorrect. VV is a 3rd party source with more legitimacy than a Food Network spokesperson.
DrMargi, can we agree on some way to update the article to better surface the controversy regarding the show (that can be easily found from objective sources with some basic research)?
While the wording can be changed, grouping together the information which makes clear the aspects of the show which are staged etc would make the article better reflect the history of the show, which is not nearly as clean as the article indicates. Also, I was not able to find your claimed refutation of the VV article by Ted Allen, which I would like to read [despite this not being an objective source].
99.185.42.182 ( talk) 04:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
A month ago, an edit was made to the IC navigation template to show Batali and Cora as still Iron Chefs, saying that there was no sourcing for them having retired. Cora's own page lists her as an IC through 2012. I'm pretty sure both are no longer IC, but we probably do need official sourcing. Does anyone have any sourcing for either or both of them leaving the show? - TexasAndroid ( talk) 21:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
If you're going to use acronyms in the article, can we please make sure to define those acronyms?
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The program has, alas, been off the air for several years, but the article still has everything in the present tense. Somebody needs to go through this and adjust the tenses for the fact that the program's run has ended. I don't have the time, or I'd do it myself. JDZeff ( talk) 21:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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This discussion addresses an issue on multiple pages, relating to this show. I have reverted the inclusion of Iron Chef USA, which is an earlier adaptation of the Japanese series Iron Chef as a related series. Although the show is related to the original program, it was produced for the now-defunct UPN by an entirely different production team, and failed after two episodes. Iron Chef America was subsequently produced by and for Food Network, which also carried the original Japanese show, includes one of the original Japanese Iron Chefs, and is connected via two related characters, one on each show. While there is a connection between Iron Chef USA and Iron Chef, and an obvious connection between Iron Chef America, and the subsequent Next Iron Chef, Iron Chef Gauntlet and Iron Chef Showdown, there is no connection between Iron Chef USA and any of the American shows produced by Food Network, they are not part of some imaginary "Iron Chef family" (whatever that might be) cited in an edit summary, and Iron Chef USA should not be included as a related show. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
We are missing a franchise article to cover all the licensed productions around the world. The Iron Chef article should not be heavily loaded with the non-Japanese derivatives. We need a new article -- 70.51.45.76 ( talk) 07:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
It's pretty clear Food Network is no longer investing in this show. Can we change page to reflect lack of new shows? FN has not announced any new shows in more than a year.
Does the channel need to formally announce it's abandoning the franchise in order for it to be considered done? Probably not something they're excited to proclaim, given the lagging ratings, the failed reboots, etc. The fact that they're not actively making new shows is more telling, isn't it? AMDG09 ( talk)
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Mention should be made of Masaharu Morimoto's 16-7-1 record on the original Iron Chef, even if only as a footnote in the stats table. Sings-With-Spirits ( talk) 02:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
This was on the news...anybody know whether it is real? Should it be mentioned in the article? -- 96.21.156.229 ( talk) 13:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Watching last night's Iron Chef America Super Chef battle (with the White House garden theme), I noted Chef Lagasse's white jacket top during the judging segment said "Iron Chef Lagasse" on it. Is this jacket labeling in itself enough to elevate Chef Lagasse to Iron Chef status (akin to similar status as Wolfgang Puck)? For visual proof, see http://www.foodnetwork.com/super-chef-battle/video/index.html video at 0:24, a image in back of the White House, as well as http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2009/12/02/ica_super-chef-battle_emeril-lagasse_s4x3_lg.jpg Erpbridge ( talk) 18:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you could call Lagasse an Iron Chef. The Chairman and the captions clearly identify him as a Super Chef; the costume detail may be a production error. PhantomObnserver|talk 18:34, 4 Feb 2010 (UTC)
If we want to be accurate on this detail, one just needs to mention that the fruits and vegetables picked from the White House garden were delivered to a local food pantry. The produce used in Kitchen Stadium in New York were replacements, possibly originating closer to New York. However, honey (the only ingredient that does not spoil) was the one item that could be and was shipped to New York from the White House beehive. (This issue started a controversy in the American political world, but I believe only the facts should be written and the politics be set aside.) Both teams were only allowed to use the types and amount of produce they picked in the White House garden. I remember Bobby Flay getting upset at Mario Batali for taking of both available colored cauliflowers. Tape delay production likely prevented Food Network from shipping the produce from Washington. After all, if you think about it, taking fruits and vegetables from the White House garden to New York City defeats the purpose of using locally grown produce. Dallas Morning News DaDoc540 ( talk) 04:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
This article could do with addressing the controversy regarding the staged nature of this show more directly.
There have been a number of reports about the staged nature of the production of this show, most aspects of which Food Network has eventually conceded to. Some of these aspects are included in the article (e.g. ingredients known ahead, only one chef present etc.) but they are buried; the editing shows a favorable bias towards the show. It does not take long researching the show to find many articles about the show and how the highly edited and staged production is not at all transparent to its viewers.
Much of this controversy was "handled" by Food Network by admitting to it not being real, this article pretends as though it was always obvious this was the case (as does Food Network). I could imagine Food Network's PR wanting the page in its current state which I believe intentionally clouds the aspects of this show which are not real and its history.
My edit referencing the Village Voice article detailing the production of the show source was reverted twice by User:DrMargi. The first revert cites a non-objective source (Ted Allen, Food Network), the second just seems to say it's factually incorrect. VV is a 3rd party source with more legitimacy than a Food Network spokesperson.
DrMargi, can we agree on some way to update the article to better surface the controversy regarding the show (that can be easily found from objective sources with some basic research)?
While the wording can be changed, grouping together the information which makes clear the aspects of the show which are staged etc would make the article better reflect the history of the show, which is not nearly as clean as the article indicates. Also, I was not able to find your claimed refutation of the VV article by Ted Allen, which I would like to read [despite this not being an objective source].
99.185.42.182 ( talk) 04:52, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
A month ago, an edit was made to the IC navigation template to show Batali and Cora as still Iron Chefs, saying that there was no sourcing for them having retired. Cora's own page lists her as an IC through 2012. I'm pretty sure both are no longer IC, but we probably do need official sourcing. Does anyone have any sourcing for either or both of them leaving the show? - TexasAndroid ( talk) 21:12, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
If you're going to use acronyms in the article, can we please make sure to define those acronyms?
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The program has, alas, been off the air for several years, but the article still has everything in the present tense. Somebody needs to go through this and adjust the tenses for the fact that the program's run has ended. I don't have the time, or I'd do it myself. JDZeff ( talk) 21:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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This discussion addresses an issue on multiple pages, relating to this show. I have reverted the inclusion of Iron Chef USA, which is an earlier adaptation of the Japanese series Iron Chef as a related series. Although the show is related to the original program, it was produced for the now-defunct UPN by an entirely different production team, and failed after two episodes. Iron Chef America was subsequently produced by and for Food Network, which also carried the original Japanese show, includes one of the original Japanese Iron Chefs, and is connected via two related characters, one on each show. While there is a connection between Iron Chef USA and Iron Chef, and an obvious connection between Iron Chef America, and the subsequent Next Iron Chef, Iron Chef Gauntlet and Iron Chef Showdown, there is no connection between Iron Chef USA and any of the American shows produced by Food Network, they are not part of some imaginary "Iron Chef family" (whatever that might be) cited in an edit summary, and Iron Chef USA should not be included as a related show. ----Dr.Margi ✉ 09:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
We are missing a franchise article to cover all the licensed productions around the world. The Iron Chef article should not be heavily loaded with the non-Japanese derivatives. We need a new article -- 70.51.45.76 ( talk) 07:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
It's pretty clear Food Network is no longer investing in this show. Can we change page to reflect lack of new shows? FN has not announced any new shows in more than a year.
Does the channel need to formally announce it's abandoning the franchise in order for it to be considered done? Probably not something they're excited to proclaim, given the lagging ratings, the failed reboots, etc. The fact that they're not actively making new shows is more telling, isn't it? AMDG09 ( talk)
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