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I've placed a 'citation needed' beside Gerry Adams, after removing a citation that made no mention of the Presidency of Ireland (as distinct from the Presidency of Sinn Fein). I don't know how long the claim should be left there while somebody looks for a citation from a Reliable Source (as our rules seemed a bit self-contradictory on the 'how long?' question last time I looked), but probably not too long, as the idea seems pretty implausible these days since he and everybody in Sinn Fein would know that he had no chance of winning but an excellent chance of damaging the party's chances of distancing itself from past IRA violence in the eyes of the voters, which is of course why he handed over to Mary Lou. (Admittedly that's just my opinion, but the more relevant point is that our article currently seems to be reporting somebody else's now unsourced (and previously wrongly sourced) questionable opinion as if it were some kind of fact, contrary to WP:OR, WP:VERIFY, and much else that Wikipedia supposedly stands for). Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Fortunately it turns out that Mary Lou had already rendered the question of how long to wait somewhat academic . Tlhslobus ( talk) 21:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have a confirmed source on whether or not Michael D. Higgins is intending to seek a second term for the presidency in 2018? If so could it please be provided. All the sources purporting such a claim are actually rather unconfirmed. It's a bit of an open secret apparently, for that reason should we include him as a de facto declared candidate? Irishpolitical ( talk) 14:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Should we really be including irrelevant candidates such as Patrick Feeney or Marie Goretti Moylan? If neither of them are relevant enough to have their own wikipedia articles already, should they really be included in this article? Maybe a side note about "other candidates include:", but having them in the same box as genuine candidates such as senators and those with significant public profile seems to be a mistake to me. Irishpolitical ( talk) 12:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd project there could be up to 5 candidates, of whom only one will be nominated by a party. Should we designate colours for Higgins, Gallagher, Duffy and Freeman, if they are indeed nominated, so that bar charts or constituency result backgrounds aren't just a lot of grey? We could add a note that there's no significance to the colours, and use colours like purple not associated with current Irish parties (see from Category:Ireland political party colour templates. Perhaps keeping red for Higgins, while making it clear that he nominated himself this time, if just to make comparison with last time easier across pages. — Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 13:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
We should wait and see what colour the respective candidates use in their materials, websites, posters, etc. before deciding on them now. Irishpolitical ( talk) 19:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Let's discuss Sarah Louise Mulligan's occupation rather than edit warring via (lack of) edit summary. Anon IP, yes, there are three references in three different sources describing her variously as a singer, a Marilyn Monroe impersonator and an entertainer. (There was also an IMDB reference to someone of that name being an actress, but even if IMDB were a WP:RS and it's the same Sarah Mulligan, she's no credits in the last 6 years. "Entertainer" covers all of the above, and should serve for the next couple of weeks until her entry is either reduced to a namecheck in a sentence for those who don't receive a nomination to stand; or she receives a nomination, in which case clarity as to her occupation(s) will no doubt emerge. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
After writing up that there were only 2 SF nominees one of whom had withdrawn, based on a normal understanding of what the SF website seems to be saying, I later discovered 2 sources [ref name=IrishExaminer2018-09-11a>Juno McEnroe (11 September 2018).
"Candidates limbering up for competitive race for the Áras". The Irish Examiner. Retrieved 14 September 2018. The Irish Examiner understands that ... three names will be considered by the leadership. These include Ireland South MEP Liadh Ní Riada, Belfast solicitor John Finucane, and Cavan-Monaghan TD Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. The ard comhairle leadership will meet on Sunday and hold a secret ballot on their choice for the race, but only after candidates have made a pitch for the party's backing. Senior sources expect that Ms Ni Riada will be the one chosen to run. "It will be a big shock if it is not Liadh," one said.
[/ref][ref name=Boylesports2018-09-13a>Lawrence Lyons (13 September 2018).
"Ní Riada To Be Sinn Fein Presidential Candidate?".
Boylesports. Retrieved 14 September 2018. The party's Ard Chomhairle is due to meet this weekend to select a candidate for the Election at the end of October, with MEP Liadh Ní Riada and Belfast solicitor John Finucane the frontrunners to get the nod.
[/ref] implying that Belfast solicitor John Finucane was another nominee (and the Examiner seemed to 'understand' there were also many other nominees, but these would be ignored), though only Boylesports seemed to give Finucane a chance. Perhaps unwisely, I added these citations to Liadh Ni Riada's bio and removed the 'only remaining nominee' wording there (leaving 'Ni Riada is expected to be nominated ...'). But other nominees (if there really are others, contrary to what SF seems to be saying) can be ignored there a lot more justifiably than here, so I'm not sure how we should handle that here, beyond bringing the matter to the attention of other editors, as I have now done.
Tlhslobus (
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12:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe a footnote might be added, such as 'despite what SF said at its website, the Irish Examiner said that ... and Boylesports said that...'?
Tlhslobus (
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12:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I note that Paddy Power currently has Ni Riada at 8/1 and Finucane at 200/1, which seems to suggest that they too see him as a nominee, albeit a very remote one (or maybe not - they also have Gerry Adams at 200/1 and Mary Lou McDonald at 250/1).
Tlhslobus (
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12:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
What excatly is the point of added 2011 voting figures? Ni Riada, Freeman and Duffy were not candidates then, and Higgins ran as the Labour candidate. Not comparing like with like as in a general election. Spleodrach ( talk) 16:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm totally opposed to including previous vote figures. There are only two repeat candidates. This is just not applicable to this type of election and should be removed post haste. Irishpolitical ( talk) 16:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Anyone able to find a suitable usable image for Gavin Duffy? The only CC-by-SA photo I could find on flickr has a "no derivatives" clause, which I would take to mean no cropping. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:17, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit to add: a suitable non-copyrighted usable image! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:01, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Gazinozz - you can't copy a photo from gavinduffy.ie and upload it to Wikipedia or WP Commons. That's a copyright violation. If you want to add a photo, it needs to be available under public domain or a Wikipedia-compatible CC-by-SA licence. Them's the rules. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
The style I had used for Higgins's nomination in the results table was "Himself as retiring president". I know incumbent sounds better, as he is not retiring if seeking re-election, but that is the term used on the nomination form, and in the legislation and the Constitution. Of course, we're not bound by the style used in such official contexts in how we describe matters here, but I would have a preference for maintaining that terminology. Though "Own nomination as retiring President" would have been the most true to the official form. — Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Where is the total voter turnout reconciled to actual results? I note a total for first preference votes but that cannot be the total turnout as there are spoilt / invalid votes. Where are the invalid votes recorded?
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I've no plans to try to fix it myself (per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY and WP:BNO), but I thought I might mention it here, just in case anybody here wants to have a go. Tlhslobus ( talk) 16:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Additional reasons given by other editors since then:
Tlhslobus ( talk) 08:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
It's been posted at ITN since 22.35 last night. Thanks, everybody. Tlhslobus ( talk) 11:18, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
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I've placed a 'citation needed' beside Gerry Adams, after removing a citation that made no mention of the Presidency of Ireland (as distinct from the Presidency of Sinn Fein). I don't know how long the claim should be left there while somebody looks for a citation from a Reliable Source (as our rules seemed a bit self-contradictory on the 'how long?' question last time I looked), but probably not too long, as the idea seems pretty implausible these days since he and everybody in Sinn Fein would know that he had no chance of winning but an excellent chance of damaging the party's chances of distancing itself from past IRA violence in the eyes of the voters, which is of course why he handed over to Mary Lou. (Admittedly that's just my opinion, but the more relevant point is that our article currently seems to be reporting somebody else's now unsourced (and previously wrongly sourced) questionable opinion as if it were some kind of fact, contrary to WP:OR, WP:VERIFY, and much else that Wikipedia supposedly stands for). Tlhslobus ( talk) 20:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Fortunately it turns out that Mary Lou had already rendered the question of how long to wait somewhat academic . Tlhslobus ( talk) 21:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have a confirmed source on whether or not Michael D. Higgins is intending to seek a second term for the presidency in 2018? If so could it please be provided. All the sources purporting such a claim are actually rather unconfirmed. It's a bit of an open secret apparently, for that reason should we include him as a de facto declared candidate? Irishpolitical ( talk) 14:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Should we really be including irrelevant candidates such as Patrick Feeney or Marie Goretti Moylan? If neither of them are relevant enough to have their own wikipedia articles already, should they really be included in this article? Maybe a side note about "other candidates include:", but having them in the same box as genuine candidates such as senators and those with significant public profile seems to be a mistake to me. Irishpolitical ( talk) 12:37, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd project there could be up to 5 candidates, of whom only one will be nominated by a party. Should we designate colours for Higgins, Gallagher, Duffy and Freeman, if they are indeed nominated, so that bar charts or constituency result backgrounds aren't just a lot of grey? We could add a note that there's no significance to the colours, and use colours like purple not associated with current Irish parties (see from Category:Ireland political party colour templates. Perhaps keeping red for Higgins, while making it clear that he nominated himself this time, if just to make comparison with last time easier across pages. — Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 13:54, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
We should wait and see what colour the respective candidates use in their materials, websites, posters, etc. before deciding on them now. Irishpolitical ( talk) 19:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Let's discuss Sarah Louise Mulligan's occupation rather than edit warring via (lack of) edit summary. Anon IP, yes, there are three references in three different sources describing her variously as a singer, a Marilyn Monroe impersonator and an entertainer. (There was also an IMDB reference to someone of that name being an actress, but even if IMDB were a WP:RS and it's the same Sarah Mulligan, she's no credits in the last 6 years. "Entertainer" covers all of the above, and should serve for the next couple of weeks until her entry is either reduced to a namecheck in a sentence for those who don't receive a nomination to stand; or she receives a nomination, in which case clarity as to her occupation(s) will no doubt emerge. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
After writing up that there were only 2 SF nominees one of whom had withdrawn, based on a normal understanding of what the SF website seems to be saying, I later discovered 2 sources [ref name=IrishExaminer2018-09-11a>Juno McEnroe (11 September 2018).
"Candidates limbering up for competitive race for the Áras". The Irish Examiner. Retrieved 14 September 2018. The Irish Examiner understands that ... three names will be considered by the leadership. These include Ireland South MEP Liadh Ní Riada, Belfast solicitor John Finucane, and Cavan-Monaghan TD Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. The ard comhairle leadership will meet on Sunday and hold a secret ballot on their choice for the race, but only after candidates have made a pitch for the party's backing. Senior sources expect that Ms Ni Riada will be the one chosen to run. "It will be a big shock if it is not Liadh," one said.
[/ref][ref name=Boylesports2018-09-13a>Lawrence Lyons (13 September 2018).
"Ní Riada To Be Sinn Fein Presidential Candidate?".
Boylesports. Retrieved 14 September 2018. The party's Ard Chomhairle is due to meet this weekend to select a candidate for the Election at the end of October, with MEP Liadh Ní Riada and Belfast solicitor John Finucane the frontrunners to get the nod.
[/ref] implying that Belfast solicitor John Finucane was another nominee (and the Examiner seemed to 'understand' there were also many other nominees, but these would be ignored), though only Boylesports seemed to give Finucane a chance. Perhaps unwisely, I added these citations to Liadh Ni Riada's bio and removed the 'only remaining nominee' wording there (leaving 'Ni Riada is expected to be nominated ...'). But other nominees (if there really are others, contrary to what SF seems to be saying) can be ignored there a lot more justifiably than here, so I'm not sure how we should handle that here, beyond bringing the matter to the attention of other editors, as I have now done.
Tlhslobus (
talk)
12:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Maybe a footnote might be added, such as 'despite what SF said at its website, the Irish Examiner said that ... and Boylesports said that...'?
Tlhslobus (
talk)
12:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
I note that Paddy Power currently has Ni Riada at 8/1 and Finucane at 200/1, which seems to suggest that they too see him as a nominee, albeit a very remote one (or maybe not - they also have Gerry Adams at 200/1 and Mary Lou McDonald at 250/1).
Tlhslobus (
talk)
12:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
What excatly is the point of added 2011 voting figures? Ni Riada, Freeman and Duffy were not candidates then, and Higgins ran as the Labour candidate. Not comparing like with like as in a general election. Spleodrach ( talk) 16:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm totally opposed to including previous vote figures. There are only two repeat candidates. This is just not applicable to this type of election and should be removed post haste. Irishpolitical ( talk) 16:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Anyone able to find a suitable usable image for Gavin Duffy? The only CC-by-SA photo I could find on flickr has a "no derivatives" clause, which I would take to mean no cropping. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:17, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Edit to add: a suitable non-copyrighted usable image! Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:01, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Gazinozz - you can't copy a photo from gavinduffy.ie and upload it to Wikipedia or WP Commons. That's a copyright violation. If you want to add a photo, it needs to be available under public domain or a Wikipedia-compatible CC-by-SA licence. Them's the rules. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
The style I had used for Higgins's nomination in the results table was "Himself as retiring president". I know incumbent sounds better, as he is not retiring if seeking re-election, but that is the term used on the nomination form, and in the legislation and the Constitution. Of course, we're not bound by the style used in such official contexts in how we describe matters here, but I would have a preference for maintaining that terminology. Though "Own nomination as retiring President" would have been the most true to the official form. — Iveagh Gardens ( talk) 10:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Where is the total voter turnout reconciled to actual results? I note a total for first preference votes but that cannot be the total turnout as there are spoilt / invalid votes. Where are the invalid votes recorded?
This article is ITNR, meaning it will be posted at ITN if it's deemed of sufficient quality (and hasn't gone stale). Currently feedback from WP:ITNC re quality is as follows:
I've no plans to try to fix it myself (per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY and WP:BNO), but I thought I might mention it here, just in case anybody here wants to have a go. Tlhslobus ( talk) 16:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Additional reasons given by other editors since then:
Tlhslobus ( talk) 08:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
It's been posted at ITN since 22.35 last night. Thanks, everybody. Tlhslobus ( talk) 11:18, 30 October 2018 (UTC)