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I have started moving information from my old web page ( http://www.ling.uni-potsdam.de/~green/gaeilge/ainmfhoc.htm), where I can no longer update it, into this article. I will try to use my info to expand upon (rather than replace) what's already here. -- Angr 17:44, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I understand that it is convention to use 5 declensions, but anyone with a passing interest can see there is more. Is it not time that the value of 5 is updated, or do you think there is much need?
Whoever wrote up the bits about strong and weak plurals goofed up royally. They have completely mixed up the two. The original author can fix it, or else if someone wants to volunteer me, I'll do it.
Weak plurals are those whose genitive plural is the same as their nominative singular, and this happens when the nominative plural is the same as the genitive singular, or the nominative plural is formed by adding an a to the nominative singular. Some quick examples ought to explain.
ns = nominative singular, gs = genitive singular, np = nominative plural, gp = genitive plural
Weak
Strong
I would have thought ní ba was far more common than níba, which although nicely symmetrical with níos, just looks strange to me. There are probably several good reasons for writing níos rather than ní is (pronunciation, confusion with neg. particle), but not so for níba. If no one objects I’ll change it. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 03:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why so few of the words on this page are linked? I'll go and look up policy when I get a round tuit, but in the meantime maybe someone could explain. (The reason I'm here is because I was searching for the word " ionúin" and this is the only place it apparently exists here in Wikipedia, and I was surprised that it didn't have its own page.) TIA HAND — Phil | Talk 12:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I am not knowledgeable enough to confidently correct it, but the entries in the Articles table for genitive feminine singular are plural. Kerberos ( talk) 16:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
In the article, it's said that "Object of the prepositions ... mar "like, as"." in Nominative Subsection. However, In Bedell's Bible Translation in Early Modern Irish, it seemed that the object of "mar" was (or is) dative, as there was a distinction between dative and accusative in plural form and in some single form, and there is an example:
Do chionn nach bhfuilid na mná Eabhruidheacha mar na mnáibh Eiipteacha ...(Exodus 1:19)
(Modern form:... Do ceann nach bhfuil na mná Eabhracha mar na mná Éigipteacha; ...)
the object of mar was the dative plural form of "an bhean".
Besides, in an Irish song The Dawning of the Day, the lyrics contains: "..., Mar mhnaoi ná scarfainn léi." (mnaoi is the dat. sg. form of bean (woman)). I suggested that the object of mar sho͘uld be dative at least in archaic form.-- Yoxem ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
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I have started moving information from my old web page ( http://www.ling.uni-potsdam.de/~green/gaeilge/ainmfhoc.htm), where I can no longer update it, into this article. I will try to use my info to expand upon (rather than replace) what's already here. -- Angr 17:44, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I understand that it is convention to use 5 declensions, but anyone with a passing interest can see there is more. Is it not time that the value of 5 is updated, or do you think there is much need?
Whoever wrote up the bits about strong and weak plurals goofed up royally. They have completely mixed up the two. The original author can fix it, or else if someone wants to volunteer me, I'll do it.
Weak plurals are those whose genitive plural is the same as their nominative singular, and this happens when the nominative plural is the same as the genitive singular, or the nominative plural is formed by adding an a to the nominative singular. Some quick examples ought to explain.
ns = nominative singular, gs = genitive singular, np = nominative plural, gp = genitive plural
Weak
Strong
I would have thought ní ba was far more common than níba, which although nicely symmetrical with níos, just looks strange to me. There are probably several good reasons for writing níos rather than ní is (pronunciation, confusion with neg. particle), but not so for níba. If no one objects I’ll change it. ☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 03:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why so few of the words on this page are linked? I'll go and look up policy when I get a round tuit, but in the meantime maybe someone could explain. (The reason I'm here is because I was searching for the word " ionúin" and this is the only place it apparently exists here in Wikipedia, and I was surprised that it didn't have its own page.) TIA HAND — Phil | Talk 12:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I am not knowledgeable enough to confidently correct it, but the entries in the Articles table for genitive feminine singular are plural. Kerberos ( talk) 16:28, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
In the article, it's said that "Object of the prepositions ... mar "like, as"." in Nominative Subsection. However, In Bedell's Bible Translation in Early Modern Irish, it seemed that the object of "mar" was (or is) dative, as there was a distinction between dative and accusative in plural form and in some single form, and there is an example:
Do chionn nach bhfuilid na mná Eabhruidheacha mar na mnáibh Eiipteacha ...(Exodus 1:19)
(Modern form:... Do ceann nach bhfuil na mná Eabhracha mar na mná Éigipteacha; ...)
the object of mar was the dative plural form of "an bhean".
Besides, in an Irish song The Dawning of the Day, the lyrics contains: "..., Mar mhnaoi ná scarfainn léi." (mnaoi is the dat. sg. form of bean (woman)). I suggested that the object of mar sho͘uld be dative at least in archaic form.-- Yoxem ( talk) 14:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)