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À==colonels== It would be nice to have links to the five colonels: Lord Mountcashel Butler, Feilding, O'Brien and Dillon,
While looking for the names I came across this site: Irish Foot Guards Which says:
Would the Irish Foot Guards be the Butler regiment of the Irish Brigade. If so was there another Butler who lead them into exile or did they just keep his name until they disbanded? I see from reading the James Butler article that the colonelcy could have been with his cousin Piers Butler, 3rd Viscount Galmoye. -- Philip Baird Shearer 20:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
The contention that that this war cry was not issued in Gaelic at Fontenoy because a large portion of the regiment did not speak Gaelic, is somewhat spurious. You do not need to speak the language to know a phrase or two. If you were to follow this logic, then every U.S. Marine would have to know Latin before uttering "Semper Fi(delis)"
I have to say that there are quite a number of strange, alleged "facts" being put on Wikipedia's Irish topics, that remain uncited and, apparently, unchallenged, as long as they toe the line of being pro-British. Given British traditions of propaganda via popular media, and state-sponsored censorship, one has to wonder how much actual history is going on here at Wiki... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.38.5 ( talk) 21:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The brigade was led at Fontenoy by James Dillon, who was killed in the famously successful charge. His father was Arthur Dillon, Count Dillon, and his mother was from an English (i.e. "Saxon") Jacobite family, the Sheldons. While the Dillons had lost all their lands due to "Saxon Perfidy" in 1691, Henry Dillon, 8th Viscount Dillon got them all back in 1694, while remaining a Catholic and more or less a Jacobite supporter. So it seems unlikely! PatrickGuinness ( talk) 11:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I have corrected and standardised the spelling of the Irish original (assuming it was said at all).
Colin Ryan ( talk) 21:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry but Patrick Sarsfield joined the regular French army after 1691; he was never a commander in the Irish Brigade. 86.46.206.117 ( talk) 17:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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À==colonels== It would be nice to have links to the five colonels: Lord Mountcashel Butler, Feilding, O'Brien and Dillon,
While looking for the names I came across this site: Irish Foot Guards Which says:
Would the Irish Foot Guards be the Butler regiment of the Irish Brigade. If so was there another Butler who lead them into exile or did they just keep his name until they disbanded? I see from reading the James Butler article that the colonelcy could have been with his cousin Piers Butler, 3rd Viscount Galmoye. -- Philip Baird Shearer 20:12, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
The contention that that this war cry was not issued in Gaelic at Fontenoy because a large portion of the regiment did not speak Gaelic, is somewhat spurious. You do not need to speak the language to know a phrase or two. If you were to follow this logic, then every U.S. Marine would have to know Latin before uttering "Semper Fi(delis)"
I have to say that there are quite a number of strange, alleged "facts" being put on Wikipedia's Irish topics, that remain uncited and, apparently, unchallenged, as long as they toe the line of being pro-British. Given British traditions of propaganda via popular media, and state-sponsored censorship, one has to wonder how much actual history is going on here at Wiki... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.38.5 ( talk) 21:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
The brigade was led at Fontenoy by James Dillon, who was killed in the famously successful charge. His father was Arthur Dillon, Count Dillon, and his mother was from an English (i.e. "Saxon") Jacobite family, the Sheldons. While the Dillons had lost all their lands due to "Saxon Perfidy" in 1691, Henry Dillon, 8th Viscount Dillon got them all back in 1694, while remaining a Catholic and more or less a Jacobite supporter. So it seems unlikely! PatrickGuinness ( talk) 11:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I have corrected and standardised the spelling of the Irish original (assuming it was said at all).
Colin Ryan ( talk) 21:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry but Patrick Sarsfield joined the regular French army after 1691; he was never a commander in the Irish Brigade. 86.46.206.117 ( talk) 17:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)