This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
There were major changes made by 64.134.232.113 that require references to stand. Just a few of the changes that need citations are:
There are many more changes that were made, but I'm not going to list the longish ones. Eastcote ( talk) 22:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone has requested a discussion concerning sourced statement that 75 percent of Irish immigrants to America in the 17th century were Catholic. This is a generally-accepted statistic. If you want to start a discussion about this, please go ahead. Please do not reinsert your comment into the body of the article, as it is disruptive. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 20:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
"Scotch-Irish" is still "Irish." The parsing into seperate categories here is not productive and, in fact, confusing to the casual reader. "Norman-Irish" and " Anglo-Irish" and " Norse-Irish" are not deliniated in this article, nor should they be, and Scotch-Irish to this degree should not be either. Shoreranger ( talk) 03:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Re: edit of 8/6. This edit is off-topic. This is a section about Presidents of Irish ncestry. It is not about the entire family history of all Presidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 16:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Shoreranger is spot on. AND this has gotten COMPLETELY out of control at the hands of 1/2 people. And it has a deliberate and racist twang to it. An Example? Ok. The wiki Ulster-Scots article states "..although Irish traditional music is one of the most influential types of music known to the modern world, and can be heard in some of the Ulster Scots music and in Country and Appalachian musics." Yet the Irish-American article here NOW implies--from ONE random source--that once again it was the SCOTCH-IRISH who gave influence. "The descendants of Scotch-Irish settlers had a great influence on the later culture of the United States through such contributions as American folk music, Country and Western music....." I am SURE that 1/2 certain people will have a rich explanation.....but WHEN does this end?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.240.222 ( talk) 18:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell us the ancestry of Michael Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Apparently his father had an "Irish face" and was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City. And it will make a nice change from those presidents.... Red Hurley ( talk) 18:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The Jackson section said that he was born in the "predominantly Ulster-Scots" Waxhaus section of South Carolina. Although there were Scotch-Irish settlers in this area, it was settled largely by German, English, and French, so it was not "predominantly" Ulster-Scots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 16:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I am removing references to these individuals as Irish American simply because they are not Irish American. I believe it is misleading to call them such as they were not born in America of Irish descent, they were actually born and raised in Ireland making them both simply Irish. Heggyhomolit ( talk) 01:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
This reference to the Irish being 20% of American whites has been in the article for a long time; I think it was in the original version. It's interesting information for the reader; just as interesting as the fact that Irish Americans are 12% of the total population. So why remove it? I don't think the facts are in dispute; the statistic (20%) comes directly from the Census. It just seems to me that if an editor is going to remove information from a Wiki article, the burden is on the editor to explain and justify how the removal improves the quality of the article. I think the removal of the 20% figure diminishes the quality of the article, so my vote is let's keep it in. OK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 20:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I would like to invite editors who have an interest, to take a look at the article gandy dancer. I have just added a bit about Irish labor, as well as the possible Gaelic source of the term "gandy". I think the article is getting better, but still needs improvement. thanks, Richard Myers ( talk) 22:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This is Original primary source data, so I cannot add it to the article, but if you look at some of the earlest New York Times issues in an archive, more than half of the job postings say No Irish Need Apply, No Irish, etc... The section of the wikipedia article is just plain incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.70.19.10 ( talk) 19:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The claim that "By the turn of the 20th century, five out of six NYPD officers were Irish born or of Irish descent" seems reasonable, but needs a source. I checked the source cited in footnote 29 (Emmet) and it does not provide this information. User:WAlanDavis / ( talk) 00:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a paragraph devoted to the phenomenon of claiming irish ancestry when you actually have none. And I don't mean to offend anyone here, you're welcome to self identify however you wish, but it's very interesting that in Britain, people don't connect themselves with Ireland at all unless they have a grandparent who was born and bred there, at the very least. I for example have a Spanish grandmother and don't think of myself as Spanish at all, nor do I think of myself as French, even though my surname is French. But I was born in England, and both my parents were. So I'm British. Triangl ( talk) 14:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I guess what I'm trying to say is yes when you have AN Irish great great great gp and you claim Irish ancestry thats 'cheating' (not sure what word). But when half your family is from a country, and when you live in an area heavily influenced by irish culture aswell, then that makes you as irish as an african american is african. It depends how you interpret the term, but to me it means american of distict irish background, as opposed to irish parents living in america which is dual citizenship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.233.13 ( talk) 21:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
More fodder for discussion:
The constitution of the Irish Republic includes the following in Article 2 - "...the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage."
So, the government of Ireland is required to recognize "people of Irish ancestry living abroad", and does not place any limits on how distant that ancestry may be. Shoreranger ( talk) 21:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is different than genetics, also is different between US and Britain If Irish culture or identity (or both) has been passed down through the generations, that is far more meaningful than simply your DNA. This is especially so in the USA. DiamondLattice ( talk) 22:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Not historically a good idea to admit you were Irish in the UK. Who would have wanted to admit to Irish heritage in a country like the UK which starved, murdered and enslaved millions of Irish people for over 700 years? This was like admitting to being Jewish in Germany. It's a good bet that Irish immigrants into the UK tried to hide their heritage more and, even now are more willing to forget it sooner, in order to avoid the legendary anti-Irish racism in Britain. It may not be as bad today as it was 50 years ago, but there is still some of it there even today if you are honest. Depending on the region of Britain, of course, in places like Liverpool, where many are at least part-Irish, this would apply less so. DiamondLattice ( talk) 22:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Why are they being listed in the article titled Irish Americans when we have Scotch-Irish Americans? Bulldog123 19:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I am enrolled in a college course on Women's History in America and would like to add to the article aspects of the Irish female immigrant experience that are not currently mentioned. I would like to do the following:
Edit the "Mid-19th century and later" section:
Edit the "Occupations" section:
Suggest that "Police" and "Teachers" be subsections of "Occupations"
Supplement the "Teachers" section:
Add a section on "Nuns" under "Occupations":
Supplement the "Stereotypes" section:
I have citations for all of my work. I hope to upload these changes later this week. Thank you. Gogirl14 ( talk) 19:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed this, not because I think it's untrue (I do [and it's unsourced], but that's beside the point), but because it is confusingly written. It reads as if the migrant Catholic Irish were 35% to 45% of each decade's immigrants. It should be rewritten to exclude religion, Duh:
Also removed inappropriate references to Canada. This is not an article about Irish emigration, and it's not an article about immigrants to North America. References to Canada are best put in the Irish Canadian article. -- AntigrandiosË Talk 01:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
How did we all miss Captain America? Be the hokey, it's Red Skull—Ker-pow. I'm adding "Category:Fictional American people of Irish descent" to the cats; hundreds on that list. Red Hurley ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention the fact that many people in Ireland deny there is really such a thing as an "Irish American". Most people in the world would agree that unless you were born in Ireland then you're not really Irish at all. ( 92.7.25.162 ( talk) 20:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC))
Carlin is a very highly reguarded comedian (comedy central placed him second only to Richard Pryor) and even has a bit about being fully Irish American. Anyone else think he sould be included in the pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.218.237 ( talk) 13:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
It on on Saint Patrick's Street, Cork, not in Dublin.
This is the main street in Cork. The main street in Dublin is O' Connell Street, and the 2nd main street is Grattan Street, the photo is from neither of these.
You can look at google maps if you want to, see the bend of the street behind the motorcade? I don't know how to edit the name... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcfb111 ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
It is widely agreed that, to be an Irish American, you need not be FULLY Irish, only partly. Therefore you can be, for example, both English-American AND Irish-American, or Native American AND Irish American. In this sense, what is the cut-off point for being classed as an Irish American, or not? Why, for example, is Barack Obama not a notable Irish American? Leaf Green Warrior ( talk) 21:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
If you need to ask, chances are probably pretty good that you're not a paddy. Erikeltic ( Talk) 21:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Some others who definitely qualify - Rosemary Clooney, George Clooney, Mel Gibson, Rosie O'Donnell, Kurt Cobain, John McEnroe, Kathy Bates, Billy the Kid, Lara Flynn Boyle, Mariah Carey, Jeff Buckley, Harry Connick, Jr., Lindsay Lohan, Fergie (singer), Tim McGraw, Duff McKagan, Mandy Moore, Brittany Murphy, Willie Nelson, Ed O'Neill, Jimmy Fallon, Michael Collins (astronaut), John Cusack, Ann Cusack, Joan Cusack, Chris Cornell, Billy Corgan, Brian Dennehy, Patrick Dempsey, Dana Delany, Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen, Patrick Duffy, Rose McGowan, Mark O'Meara, John Daly, Ryan O'Neal, Aidan Quinn, Mickey Spillane.
Any objections to me adding these in the appropriate sections? AnCionnach ( talk) 10:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Should we include something about the verity of some of the discrimination section? For example, here we read of the stereotypes of Irish alcoholism (totally true), historical political corruption (true), violent gang/mob activity (utterly true-- only outdone by Italians and blacks, though the Italians are at least sophisticated about it).
I don't go around nattering on about being an "Irish-American" but as a person of the same ancestral descent, and with a love of the traditions and heroes of the peoples of that great island, I find this self pity infantile and contrived. As if we're blacks having to call ourselves "African-Americans" to feel special about ourselves. It's crass garbage for shamrock tattoo-wearing twits who can't help to read history or learn their ancestral tongue without sucking down a glass of Guinness at a celebration for the British St. Patrick. Let us be done with this puerile leprechaun-colored excrement and point out the truth of slum-life in America by Irish immigrants who dealt with poverty in the same way most other ethnic groups do: violence, crime and the drink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlennBecksiPod ( talk • contribs) 05:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The related Category:American sportspeople of Irish descent has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming . You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. |
Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Currently, If one types Irish-American (with hyphen!) into the wikipedia search box, it redirects to this article. That shouldn't happen as the spelling with hyphen denotes someone holding dual citizenship of both the Republic of Ireland and of the United States of America, in contrary to the spelling without a hyphen which is describes in this article and denotes an American citizen with Irish ancestry. When written in text both parts of Irish- American link to the pages of the respective countries involved. Tvx1 ( talk) 16:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Let's summarize the content here. Tvx1 has made the claim that Irish-American refers to 'someone holding dual citizenship of both the Republic of Ireland and of the United States of America' while Irish American refers to 'an American citizen with Irish ancestry.' Jxm seems to agree with this definition, while Eastcote stated that the difference is minimal. As far as I can see, MOS:HYPHEN does not cover this usage of hyphens, and I can find no reliable sources covering this difference. I'll put in a section at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. I personally believe that the difference is negligible unless there are sources documenting the difference, or MOS differentiates it. KJ click here 23:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Here the relationship is thought of as parallel, symmetric, equal, oppositional, or at least involving separate or independent elements. The components may be nouns, adjectives, verbs, or any other independent part of speech. Often if the components are reversed there would be little change of meaning. [...]
[...]
|
Since this related to a style issue, I have mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Hyphens for dual nationality which may generate further discussion from others interested in the use of hyphens in this context. — sroc 💬 01:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
The source of the 2008 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau that provides the number of Irish Americans is no longer valid. One other thing, several other reliable sources confirm that the population of Irish Americans is really 34 million, not 36 (more recent sources, too). Sources are here (2014), here (2012) and here (2012). Would these count as reliable, and should the number be updated? Thanks. McCann27 ( talk) 23:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
He only has a small fraction of Irish ancestry, at best. See this. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 01:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to have 42 people pictured in the infobox and I really don't think that we should include people with only the smallest trace of Irish ancestry, such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and Barack Obama (who are clearly ethnically African American, not Irish American). If King and Obama are Irish American, then every single person in America whose ancestors have been here since the 19th century are Irish American. I'm not trying to create any difficult standards that someone has to meet in order to be considered Irish American, but it doesn't make any sense to include people who have far more non-Irish ancestry than Irish ancestry, do not consider themselves Irish American, and have no knowledge if Irish culture. -- 64.132.0.201 ( talk) 22:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The northeast isn't the only part of the US with a significant Irish population. The American South has a very large irish population. I've lived here in Georgia my whole life and I have visited many southern cities and see vibrant irish communities everywhere. The stats even say so. You can look up many southern cities on Citydata.com and other sites. You will find out that there is a very prevalent irish population in the south. In the article about the Southern United States, it says that there are 12,000,000 irish people in the south(more than 1/4 of the total Irish American population). USA23 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:32, 20 July 2014
I understand that she has partial Irish descent through her father, but she only has a small percentage of Irish heritage and she's not American (although she does reside in the US most of the year) either by birth or citizenship. Therefore, it seems like a poor choice to include her. Aoa8212 ( talk) 13:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
There were major changes made by 64.134.232.113 that require references to stand. Just a few of the changes that need citations are:
There are many more changes that were made, but I'm not going to list the longish ones. Eastcote ( talk) 22:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Someone has requested a discussion concerning sourced statement that 75 percent of Irish immigrants to America in the 17th century were Catholic. This is a generally-accepted statistic. If you want to start a discussion about this, please go ahead. Please do not reinsert your comment into the body of the article, as it is disruptive. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 20:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
"Scotch-Irish" is still "Irish." The parsing into seperate categories here is not productive and, in fact, confusing to the casual reader. "Norman-Irish" and " Anglo-Irish" and " Norse-Irish" are not deliniated in this article, nor should they be, and Scotch-Irish to this degree should not be either. Shoreranger ( talk) 03:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Re: edit of 8/6. This edit is off-topic. This is a section about Presidents of Irish ncestry. It is not about the entire family history of all Presidents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 16:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Shoreranger is spot on. AND this has gotten COMPLETELY out of control at the hands of 1/2 people. And it has a deliberate and racist twang to it. An Example? Ok. The wiki Ulster-Scots article states "..although Irish traditional music is one of the most influential types of music known to the modern world, and can be heard in some of the Ulster Scots music and in Country and Appalachian musics." Yet the Irish-American article here NOW implies--from ONE random source--that once again it was the SCOTCH-IRISH who gave influence. "The descendants of Scotch-Irish settlers had a great influence on the later culture of the United States through such contributions as American folk music, Country and Western music....." I am SURE that 1/2 certain people will have a rich explanation.....but WHEN does this end?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.240.222 ( talk) 18:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone tell us the ancestry of Michael Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Apparently his father had an "Irish face" and was buried at Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City. And it will make a nice change from those presidents.... Red Hurley ( talk) 18:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The Jackson section said that he was born in the "predominantly Ulster-Scots" Waxhaus section of South Carolina. Although there were Scotch-Irish settlers in this area, it was settled largely by German, English, and French, so it was not "predominantly" Ulster-Scots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 16:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I am removing references to these individuals as Irish American simply because they are not Irish American. I believe it is misleading to call them such as they were not born in America of Irish descent, they were actually born and raised in Ireland making them both simply Irish. Heggyhomolit ( talk) 01:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
This reference to the Irish being 20% of American whites has been in the article for a long time; I think it was in the original version. It's interesting information for the reader; just as interesting as the fact that Irish Americans are 12% of the total population. So why remove it? I don't think the facts are in dispute; the statistic (20%) comes directly from the Census. It just seems to me that if an editor is going to remove information from a Wiki article, the burden is on the editor to explain and justify how the removal improves the quality of the article. I think the removal of the 20% figure diminishes the quality of the article, so my vote is let's keep it in. OK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.71.178 ( talk) 20:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I would like to invite editors who have an interest, to take a look at the article gandy dancer. I have just added a bit about Irish labor, as well as the possible Gaelic source of the term "gandy". I think the article is getting better, but still needs improvement. thanks, Richard Myers ( talk) 22:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
This is Original primary source data, so I cannot add it to the article, but if you look at some of the earlest New York Times issues in an archive, more than half of the job postings say No Irish Need Apply, No Irish, etc... The section of the wikipedia article is just plain incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.70.19.10 ( talk) 19:37, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The claim that "By the turn of the 20th century, five out of six NYPD officers were Irish born or of Irish descent" seems reasonable, but needs a source. I checked the source cited in footnote 29 (Emmet) and it does not provide this information. User:WAlanDavis / ( talk) 00:30, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be a paragraph devoted to the phenomenon of claiming irish ancestry when you actually have none. And I don't mean to offend anyone here, you're welcome to self identify however you wish, but it's very interesting that in Britain, people don't connect themselves with Ireland at all unless they have a grandparent who was born and bred there, at the very least. I for example have a Spanish grandmother and don't think of myself as Spanish at all, nor do I think of myself as French, even though my surname is French. But I was born in England, and both my parents were. So I'm British. Triangl ( talk) 14:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I guess what I'm trying to say is yes when you have AN Irish great great great gp and you claim Irish ancestry thats 'cheating' (not sure what word). But when half your family is from a country, and when you live in an area heavily influenced by irish culture aswell, then that makes you as irish as an african american is african. It depends how you interpret the term, but to me it means american of distict irish background, as opposed to irish parents living in america which is dual citizenship —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.233.13 ( talk) 21:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
More fodder for discussion:
The constitution of the Irish Republic includes the following in Article 2 - "...the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage."
So, the government of Ireland is required to recognize "people of Irish ancestry living abroad", and does not place any limits on how distant that ancestry may be. Shoreranger ( talk) 21:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Ethnicity is different than genetics, also is different between US and Britain If Irish culture or identity (or both) has been passed down through the generations, that is far more meaningful than simply your DNA. This is especially so in the USA. DiamondLattice ( talk) 22:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Not historically a good idea to admit you were Irish in the UK. Who would have wanted to admit to Irish heritage in a country like the UK which starved, murdered and enslaved millions of Irish people for over 700 years? This was like admitting to being Jewish in Germany. It's a good bet that Irish immigrants into the UK tried to hide their heritage more and, even now are more willing to forget it sooner, in order to avoid the legendary anti-Irish racism in Britain. It may not be as bad today as it was 50 years ago, but there is still some of it there even today if you are honest. Depending on the region of Britain, of course, in places like Liverpool, where many are at least part-Irish, this would apply less so. DiamondLattice ( talk) 22:13, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Why are they being listed in the article titled Irish Americans when we have Scotch-Irish Americans? Bulldog123 19:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
I am enrolled in a college course on Women's History in America and would like to add to the article aspects of the Irish female immigrant experience that are not currently mentioned. I would like to do the following:
Edit the "Mid-19th century and later" section:
Edit the "Occupations" section:
Suggest that "Police" and "Teachers" be subsections of "Occupations"
Supplement the "Teachers" section:
Add a section on "Nuns" under "Occupations":
Supplement the "Stereotypes" section:
I have citations for all of my work. I hope to upload these changes later this week. Thank you. Gogirl14 ( talk) 19:30, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I removed this, not because I think it's untrue (I do [and it's unsourced], but that's beside the point), but because it is confusingly written. It reads as if the migrant Catholic Irish were 35% to 45% of each decade's immigrants. It should be rewritten to exclude religion, Duh:
Also removed inappropriate references to Canada. This is not an article about Irish emigration, and it's not an article about immigrants to North America. References to Canada are best put in the Irish Canadian article. -- AntigrandiosË Talk 01:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
How did we all miss Captain America? Be the hokey, it's Red Skull—Ker-pow. I'm adding "Category:Fictional American people of Irish descent" to the cats; hundreds on that list. Red Hurley ( talk) 08:27, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention the fact that many people in Ireland deny there is really such a thing as an "Irish American". Most people in the world would agree that unless you were born in Ireland then you're not really Irish at all. ( 92.7.25.162 ( talk) 20:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC))
Carlin is a very highly reguarded comedian (comedy central placed him second only to Richard Pryor) and even has a bit about being fully Irish American. Anyone else think he sould be included in the pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.218.237 ( talk) 13:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
It on on Saint Patrick's Street, Cork, not in Dublin.
This is the main street in Cork. The main street in Dublin is O' Connell Street, and the 2nd main street is Grattan Street, the photo is from neither of these.
You can look at google maps if you want to, see the bend of the street behind the motorcade? I don't know how to edit the name... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcfb111 ( talk • contribs) 14:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
It is widely agreed that, to be an Irish American, you need not be FULLY Irish, only partly. Therefore you can be, for example, both English-American AND Irish-American, or Native American AND Irish American. In this sense, what is the cut-off point for being classed as an Irish American, or not? Why, for example, is Barack Obama not a notable Irish American? Leaf Green Warrior ( talk) 21:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
If you need to ask, chances are probably pretty good that you're not a paddy. Erikeltic ( Talk) 21:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
Some others who definitely qualify - Rosemary Clooney, George Clooney, Mel Gibson, Rosie O'Donnell, Kurt Cobain, John McEnroe, Kathy Bates, Billy the Kid, Lara Flynn Boyle, Mariah Carey, Jeff Buckley, Harry Connick, Jr., Lindsay Lohan, Fergie (singer), Tim McGraw, Duff McKagan, Mandy Moore, Brittany Murphy, Willie Nelson, Ed O'Neill, Jimmy Fallon, Michael Collins (astronaut), John Cusack, Ann Cusack, Joan Cusack, Chris Cornell, Billy Corgan, Brian Dennehy, Patrick Dempsey, Dana Delany, Martin Sheen, Charlie Sheen, Patrick Duffy, Rose McGowan, Mark O'Meara, John Daly, Ryan O'Neal, Aidan Quinn, Mickey Spillane.
Any objections to me adding these in the appropriate sections? AnCionnach ( talk) 10:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Should we include something about the verity of some of the discrimination section? For example, here we read of the stereotypes of Irish alcoholism (totally true), historical political corruption (true), violent gang/mob activity (utterly true-- only outdone by Italians and blacks, though the Italians are at least sophisticated about it).
I don't go around nattering on about being an "Irish-American" but as a person of the same ancestral descent, and with a love of the traditions and heroes of the peoples of that great island, I find this self pity infantile and contrived. As if we're blacks having to call ourselves "African-Americans" to feel special about ourselves. It's crass garbage for shamrock tattoo-wearing twits who can't help to read history or learn their ancestral tongue without sucking down a glass of Guinness at a celebration for the British St. Patrick. Let us be done with this puerile leprechaun-colored excrement and point out the truth of slum-life in America by Irish immigrants who dealt with poverty in the same way most other ethnic groups do: violence, crime and the drink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlennBecksiPod ( talk • contribs) 05:25, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The related Category:American sportspeople of Irish descent has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming . You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. |
Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Currently, If one types Irish-American (with hyphen!) into the wikipedia search box, it redirects to this article. That shouldn't happen as the spelling with hyphen denotes someone holding dual citizenship of both the Republic of Ireland and of the United States of America, in contrary to the spelling without a hyphen which is describes in this article and denotes an American citizen with Irish ancestry. When written in text both parts of Irish- American link to the pages of the respective countries involved. Tvx1 ( talk) 16:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Let's summarize the content here. Tvx1 has made the claim that Irish-American refers to 'someone holding dual citizenship of both the Republic of Ireland and of the United States of America' while Irish American refers to 'an American citizen with Irish ancestry.' Jxm seems to agree with this definition, while Eastcote stated that the difference is minimal. As far as I can see, MOS:HYPHEN does not cover this usage of hyphens, and I can find no reliable sources covering this difference. I'll put in a section at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. I personally believe that the difference is negligible unless there are sources documenting the difference, or MOS differentiates it. KJ click here 23:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Here the relationship is thought of as parallel, symmetric, equal, oppositional, or at least involving separate or independent elements. The components may be nouns, adjectives, verbs, or any other independent part of speech. Often if the components are reversed there would be little change of meaning. [...]
[...]
|
Since this related to a style issue, I have mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Hyphens for dual nationality which may generate further discussion from others interested in the use of hyphens in this context. — sroc 💬 01:27, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
The source of the 2008 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau that provides the number of Irish Americans is no longer valid. One other thing, several other reliable sources confirm that the population of Irish Americans is really 34 million, not 36 (more recent sources, too). Sources are here (2014), here (2012) and here (2012). Would these count as reliable, and should the number be updated? Thanks. McCann27 ( talk) 23:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
He only has a small fraction of Irish ancestry, at best. See this. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 01:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary to have 42 people pictured in the infobox and I really don't think that we should include people with only the smallest trace of Irish ancestry, such as Martin Luther King, Jr. and Barack Obama (who are clearly ethnically African American, not Irish American). If King and Obama are Irish American, then every single person in America whose ancestors have been here since the 19th century are Irish American. I'm not trying to create any difficult standards that someone has to meet in order to be considered Irish American, but it doesn't make any sense to include people who have far more non-Irish ancestry than Irish ancestry, do not consider themselves Irish American, and have no knowledge if Irish culture. -- 64.132.0.201 ( talk) 22:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
The northeast isn't the only part of the US with a significant Irish population. The American South has a very large irish population. I've lived here in Georgia my whole life and I have visited many southern cities and see vibrant irish communities everywhere. The stats even say so. You can look up many southern cities on Citydata.com and other sites. You will find out that there is a very prevalent irish population in the south. In the article about the Southern United States, it says that there are 12,000,000 irish people in the south(more than 1/4 of the total Irish American population). USA23 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:32, 20 July 2014
I understand that she has partial Irish descent through her father, but she only has a small percentage of Irish heritage and she's not American (although she does reside in the US most of the year) either by birth or citizenship. Therefore, it seems like a poor choice to include her. Aoa8212 ( talk) 13:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)