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One of the alternative titles that is used in the intro of this article is 'South Kurdistan'. I don't believe the use of this term as an alternative title is fitting in a neutral article. It is more of a term that I would consider irredentist and nationalistic, not one that is neutral. Moreover, 'south Kurdistan' is not used in mainstream media, where it IS used is almost solely in Kurdish media/sources. I have also noticed that a similar term is used ('North Kurdistan') in the Wiki article Turkish Kurdistan. Verdia25 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Iraqi Kurdistan or Southern Kurdistan was not always autonomous. Since 1991 it is. But it was and still is in fact part of greater Kurdistan. Like on the Wiki-pages of Turkish, Iranian and Syrian Kurdistan, it has to be mentioned which part of greater Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan is. Best Regards -- Moplayer ( talk) 23:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Please read my answer thoroughly. I have never said it is a general term, if so I would claim to change the article name to "Southern Kurdistan". But I did not. Your understanding of Wikipedia is wrong. Wikipedia is there for giving mankind ALL relevant information about topics. You can not deny that this term is used by about 40 million people. Again, please read the History of the Kurds to know the importance and meaning of the term "Southern Kurdistan". And if, as you said, Wikipedia is only there for general terms, why is the article of "Ayn Al-Arab" named "Kobanî"? Because it is more common.-- Moplayer ( talk) 18:54, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
"Southern Kurdistan" is a well known and used term in the Kurdistan region. This is a fact. You absolutely can not deny this. As I said, Kurdistan was divided into four parts and each part still has the wind directions in their Wikipedia articles. See the Wiki-pages of Turkish Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan and Iranian Kurdistan. And Iraqi Kurdistan is still part of it, no matter it is a federal region.-- Moplayer ( talk) 22:53, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
The introduction of an article is there to summarize the main facts of a subject. As long as it is an important fact that Iraqi Kurdistan belongs to the greater Kurdistan Region and is called "Southern Kurdistan" by the kurds themselves, it has to be mentioned in the introduction of the article. -- Moplayer ( talk) 14:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You can not deny what the people there call their own place. This is a fact, not nationalism. Just because we do not use this term in English media, it does not mean we can ignore it. And Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, is there to mention every possible fact. -- Moplayer ( talk) 02:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Here are some examples, where the term "Southern Kurdistan" is used in:
As you can see, the term was used and still is being used, with approximately 800.000 search results in Google's search engine. I think the discussion should have an end here. You got a lot of arguments and examples why the term "Southern Kurdistan" still should stay in the introduction of the article. -- Moplayer ( talk) 16:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I am providing evidence and facts, but you are only presenting your opinion. However it has to stay in the article as it is a term used by the Kurdish people. And the article is about a part of Kurdistan. I am not pretending to change the name of the whole article to "Southern Kurdistan", but to mention a term which is widely used in English literature (see examples). I have no time to repeat my sayings every time. I saw on your Wiki-page that you probably are an Iranian citizen. Please avoid to implement your own subjective (maybe political) opinion in Wikipedia. Thank You. -- Moplayer ( talk) 01:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I gave you many evidence and examples, you did not anything of this. Your are just giving one unproven argument, which is based on your own opinion. You also are not the one who can decide whether a term is common or not. As long as you can not prove that this term is NOT in use in English media and literature, you are not allowed to simply delete this term from the introduction. -- Moplayer ( talk) 13:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
GDP data section is filled with fiction, I'm reverting it back to 2011 data which says GDP is $23.6 billion... If anyone has information of $172billion GDP, must support it with actual sources. Current source on the page leads to nothing... http://www.iraq-jccme.jp/pdf/arc/04_krg_Investment_factsheet_en.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.170.48 ( talk) 00:40, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion relating to this article is open at Kurdish languages' talk page. Khestwol ( talk) 17:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether there is only one autonomous region within Iraq, this sentence:
Is just bad English.
(One wouldn't write "Iraqi Kurdistan is the region of Iraq", but you can say "Iraqi Kurdistan is a region in Iraq".)
If you use "the", then the next word should be its distinguishing feature. To say that it "is the autonomous region" implies that the remainder of Iraq is the non-autonomous region.
So, if you are going to use "the ... of" you need to be more specific, like
But the first sentence of an article should define the topic for an international audience. Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region (of which there are many in the world), and it is located in northern Iraq (a description of the location that most people would understand). Thus:
The fact that it is the sole autonomous region is not essential to its definition. Iraq could create another autonomous region somewhere else, and Iraqi Kurdistan would still be "an autonomous region in northern Iraq".
If you are hell-bent for political or ideological reasons on emphasizing the fact that it is (currently) the only self-governing region recognized by the Iraqi government, the you could write something like:
Personally I find these too clunky for the first sentence when combined with all the alternate names, but I offer up the last one as a potential compromise.
Pelagic ( talk) 21:41, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Markblue10, in what world is this a sensible phrase: "Kurdistan region ..., officially known as the Kurdistan Region"?
(See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=684984947 )
You could at least make the effort to edit the whole sentence, rather than blindly changing a couple of words.
Note that the article title is "Iraqi Kurdistan", so this name should come first in the opening sentence. If you have a problem with the title, then open a request-for-move discussion as described at WP:RM#CM. (For example, "Kurdistan Region (Iraq)" could be a reasonable title, if it can be shown that "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not the established common name in English.
Pelagic ( talk) 04:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Despite what I wrote above about having the article title near the beginning of the sentence, the following could also work:
"The self-governing Kurdistan Region of Iraq ( Kurdish: ههرێمی کوردستان, Herêmî Kurdistan) is known in English as Iraqi Kurdistan, and by Kurds is also called Southern Kurdistan ( Kurdish: باشووری کوردستان, Başûrê Kurdistanê). It borders ..."
Ideally, the gloss for the official name should be given in Arabic, if that is the language of the Iraqi constitution.
Pelagic ( talk) 14:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
I hope it isn't too tediously obvious for me to point out that this article is called "Iraqi Kurdistan". Despite this, we see changes to the content that seem to give the name "Kurdistan Region" primacy. I don't think we can have this both ways. If the title "Iraqi Kurdistan" really is wrong then that is fair enough (Just prove that this is so and we can rename the article.) but I think we have to be consistent. We can't have the title on the article say one thing and the heading on the infobox say something else. That is confused and confusing. It makes the article look stupid. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 13:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
{{{conventional_long_name}}}
represents the "Formal or official full name of the country in English" which is "Kurdistan Region," while {{{common_name}}}
represents the "Common name in English."Halabja became the fourth province of Kurdistan. I posted the new map with halabja in it.
And the Links 85, 86, 87, 88 are corrupted, I replaced them with the new working links.
http://www.krso.net/Default.aspx?page=article&id=899&l=1&#krso2
http://www.krso.net/Default.aspx?page=article&id=1142&l=1
http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/08022015?keyword=gender -- BaranKurd ( talk) 00:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Such 60% number was not mentioned in the source. Only "nearly half" was only measurement was used to assess all who are involved, but as they said it is "survey".
Also, nothing was mentioned about "only by the Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan". This was also falsified.
Here is copy of the section:
Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
In 2009 Human Rights Watch found that health providers in Iraqi Kurdistan were involved in both performing and promoting misinformation about the practice of female genital mutilation. FGM is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as all practices "involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
The investigation found that FGM was practiced by midwives, but that its prevalence and harm were routinely minimized by physicians and government medical officials. For example, one physician explained to Human Rights Watch that she counselled patients that "circumcision is nothing; it does not influence life because a woman is sensitive in all her parts."[8] Government medical providers routinely told Human Rights Watch that FGM was uncommon-despite surveys finding nearly half of all girls to be circumcised-and promoted false information in media campaigns. One woman told Human Rights Watch that on television "a [government] doctor explained that FGM is normal.... The doctor said, ‘If you do it or not it's still the same.'"
The UN Human Rights Committee has said that FGM violates protections against torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment found in the ICCPR. The UN Committee against Torture has repeatedly said that practices such as FGM violate the physical integrity and human dignity of girls and women. In Iraqi Kurdistan, medical personnel are both complicit in action, performing FGM or providing patients patently false information about it, and inaction, failing to halt the practice in their role as government officials.
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The section below the coat of arms of Iraq Kurdistan should include that Massoud Barzani is the president of Kurdistan region.
With Iraqi Kurdistan in a war with ISIS and a dispute with the central Iraqi government we keep hearing about an independence referendum. This keeps popping up every 2-3 months with a new news outlet claiming it's going to be in the next X months. This is very unlikely and probably used as a political manoeuvre. I suggest that until there is an actual referendum that we don't mention it. ~ Zirguezi 20:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The map posted here as "Kurdish Independent Kingdoms and Autonomous Principalities circa 1835" is lifted, redrawn and posted here without mentioning the source, namely, Dr. M. Izady. It is sad that such unethical, in fact illegal, steps are allowed by Wikipedia. Of course the person who lifted it, redrew it and posted it, had no problem stealing things. But why Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:C686:B00:223:32FF:FE9A:1153 ( talk) 21:53, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
The article mentions Baban, Badinan, and Soran; but the map shows only Baban and Soran. A better map for this article would show all three, and omit the extraneous principalities. Pelagic ( talk) 23:02, 12 June 2016 (UTC) However, the map is still valuable for other articles about the individual emirates. [edited 01:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)]
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I've created a draft article about relations between Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava using a paragraph from Foreign relations of Rojava. It needs a lot of work and I'd truly appreciate some help in developing it. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed and tagged the following info in the article as dubious: "As of July 2016, the democratic institutions have effectively been suspended by the Barzani presidency.". This sentence uses what seems to be an op-ed piece to state something as fact. Likewise, the piece doesn't seem to directly support the statement; The closest it seems to get is saying that the Kurds could have done more to prepare their institutions. Eik Corell ( talk) 17:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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I just read this article, but don't see anything yet about it on wikipedia. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to make an update, but it seemed relevant to this page. -- Lasunncty ( talk) 01:48, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I see the israely flag and something involving Israel in the article, i think somebody trolled. Could somebody fix it? Thanks. -- Capiscuas ( talk) 11:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Have fixed it now, maybe the article writers should lock it for the time being? Culloty82 ( talk) 11:33, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
If/when the territory formally declares independence, Iraq refuses to recognise the decision, what is the Wikipedia convention in relation to same? Culloty82 ( talk) 13:30, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
See Kosovo for how we deal with this sort of thing. Basically, we need to make it clear that Iraqi Kurdistan is a de-facto state, and that it's a disputed territory, and we also need to make mention as to any international recognition/ lack of. -- Jahelistbro ( talk) 20:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
What does "Disputed territory within its official borders which is controlled by Iraqi Kurdistan" even mean? It's disputed but also part of Iraqi Kurdistan? What? --Poklane 21:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poklane ( talk • contribs)
In the past month (time of writing 10/2017) Iraqi Kurdistan declared independence from Baghdad after another independence referendum. But there is no mention here. Should I go ahead and try to compile a section mentioning dates, vote figures, declaration and international reactions? 137.222.122.11 ( talk) 20:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The Kurds just lost Kirkuk, Tuz Khurmatu and Sinjar, as well as several other territories, the map needs to reflect that. 70.59.227.82 ( talk) 18:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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i want to add more information Reaberkurdi ( talk) 17:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia became a host for fake news currently you need just one link and you can post everything here. The news about Jewish families in Kurdistan are false made up by politicans and media controlled by them to get western support. Not everything state media posts is true.
"Israeli expert says media reports of 430 families in region incorrect. There is no Jewish community in Kurdistan,” said Dr. Mordechai Zaken, head of minority affairs in the Public Security Ministry. http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/So-are-there-Jews-in-Kurdistan-432756 -- BaranKurd ( talk) 17:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
The Kurdistan Regional statistics office annually actualizes the population numbers. To exaggerate the number by nationalists up to 10 million is false. The last population update for 2017 was 5.8 million. The number of refugees can not be added to the population because they are not residents of Kurdistan and now most of them started to return after the end of the war. The same goes for diisputed areas. People playing with the population datas and are trying to exaggerate while wikipedia should give us realistic infols. -- BaranKurd ( talk) 17:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Diceplaced Iraqis in Kurdistan Region are not refugees they are IDP (Internally Displaced People) because Kurdistan is part of Iraq.
I updated the population numbers of Syrian Refugeees and IDP in the Kurdistan Region. -- JapanerRusse ( talk) 16:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Peshmerga section needs to updated with more recent improved information. The biography definitely needs fresh content... ReberGovend ( talk) 15:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Why is the article full of only war, uprising and politicians? There are separate sections for each one, don't put everything here. There is nothing about Geography, climate, education, and economy!!!
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
This section is simply full of factual errors and paradoxes. I will go ahead and remove the whole section in a week if no reliable source attesting the claims is added.-- Rafy talk
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've updated this map so that the official area conforms with what the sources on this article show. The disputed areas I have not checked. It's easy to fix this map so please just comment any issues and I will try to fix them as soon as I can. The older maps don't show the recent gains that the Peshmerga achieved during the current war against ISIS. If the updated map has inaccuracies, please help find sources to fix them. Regards,
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
My last edit should was reversed, and though it should have been more refined, the information provided wasn't wrong. Assyria was not anymore a geo-political entity before and during the Islamic conquests. The ruling dynasty of Adiabene was Iranic, and the population was very mixed, with both Aramaic and Iranic populations. This article makes it seem like there were nothing but Assyrians in this region until after the Islamic conquests. I will add the page numbers when I edit it, but the Kurds were indeed mentioned by Baladuri and Tabari as resisting the Arabs during the Islamic conquests, leaving the Kurds out is distorting history. There are even pre-Islamic Syriac sources mentioning the Kurds in this region. Znertu ( talk) 15:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
One more thing, the reference to 'Assorestan' in the 'Ancient' Section should also be removed. Asorestan (Land of the Assyrians, also known as Beth Oromoye/Land of the Arameans) was used to refer to Southern Mesopotamia in the Sassanid era, not Northern Mesopotamia. Znertu ( talk) 15:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason that the geographical region of Kurdistan of Iraq and the autonomous Kurdistan Region have been merged into one article? The autonomous Kurdistan Region doesn't even encompass all of Iraqi Kurdistan, which makes this article very misleading. I really believe that it's odd that we don't have two separate articles, like Ireland and Republic of Ireland. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 00:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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Error adjustment Ahmedtamimi-iraq ( talk) 11:01, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
A couple of user insist adding parts of Syria in the lede for this article. I have two issues with that; first it's UNDUE and second it is presented as a fact when so many other sources talk about three parts of Kurdistan; in Turkey, Iran and Iraq, but no Syria. See these reference books on Kurds/Kurdistan for example:
While Kurds do live in Syria (various parts), no Syrian territory is considered part of Kurdistan, which is also echoes in the Treaty of Sevres map. We can refer to the presence of Kurdish-inhabited areas in northeaster Syria, but it is a mistake to refer to that as part of Kurdistan. Otherwise, we would be also calling Armenian Kurdistan, German Kurdistan (parts of German suburbs)? If this is not fixed I'll be adding a neutrality template and I'll take it further. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 02:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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08:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Hi could anyone find more information about the referendum for the Independence of Kurdistan? I found everywhere sources. But what is the wright story?
They are a bunch of insurgents. They don't have any independence. That's why you can't find the right story about it Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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There is a statement which mentions that Kurdistan stretches across Turkey. This is in fact false. Maybe it is recognised in Iraq and especially Iran, though not self-governed. In Turkey this is a completely different situation. It is very offensive to say this as many people have given there lives to prevent Turkey from being diminished into Kurdistan. I have been to Turkey and talked to many people about it including Kurdish people. Only the PKK (A known terrorist organisation), and its supporters are calling it Kurdistan. May I also remind you that Kurdistan is only recognised in two countries both of which I have already mentioned. Therefore Turkey should not be mentioned in this or it should clearly state that this is an opinion of people who support the PKK or the dismantlement of Turkey. There is proof of this in Google Maps. When you look up Kurdistan only part of Iran comes up, nothing more.
Just because there is a source doesn't make it true FFS. Oh here look at the source. Thjarkur get your head out your backside please and look at the other problems with this page. Everything on it is WRONG Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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I would to suggest an additional sub-section to this article on Iraqi Kurdistan: Human resources: Iraqi Kurdistan has been investing in the growth of its human capital in general. [1] Public sector employees are often enrolled in local training programmes or sent overseas to participate in training courses, technical classes, and professional development programmes. [2] However, factors such as the lack of a practical and formal HRD framework specific to the KRG's public sector, the absence of evaluation process, inadequate civil service training institutions, and corruption have hampered effective and efficient professional development and training in the public sector. [3] Therefore, an assessment of such programmes and their outcomes is needed to identify any misuse of public funds, as well as to assist in the reducing of administrative and political corruption and to make policy recommendations. The government's policies for the public sector have also had an impact on the private sector. However, the government has played a much smaller role in the private sector. [4] In Iraqi Kurdistan, the Ministry of Planning has primarily concentrated on activating training in the public sector, with the goal of expanding opportunities and improving the efficiency of the training process. [5] In the long run, this will have an effect on private sector training and growth. Minibrowni ( talk) 17:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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What about a section on the lies which were written? Kurdistan claims that which is not theirs Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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One of the alternative titles that is used in the intro of this article is 'South Kurdistan'. I don't believe the use of this term as an alternative title is fitting in a neutral article. It is more of a term that I would consider irredentist and nationalistic, not one that is neutral. Moreover, 'south Kurdistan' is not used in mainstream media, where it IS used is almost solely in Kurdish media/sources. I have also noticed that a similar term is used ('North Kurdistan') in the Wiki article Turkish Kurdistan. Verdia25 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Iraqi Kurdistan or Southern Kurdistan was not always autonomous. Since 1991 it is. But it was and still is in fact part of greater Kurdistan. Like on the Wiki-pages of Turkish, Iranian and Syrian Kurdistan, it has to be mentioned which part of greater Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan is. Best Regards -- Moplayer ( talk) 23:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Please read my answer thoroughly. I have never said it is a general term, if so I would claim to change the article name to "Southern Kurdistan". But I did not. Your understanding of Wikipedia is wrong. Wikipedia is there for giving mankind ALL relevant information about topics. You can not deny that this term is used by about 40 million people. Again, please read the History of the Kurds to know the importance and meaning of the term "Southern Kurdistan". And if, as you said, Wikipedia is only there for general terms, why is the article of "Ayn Al-Arab" named "Kobanî"? Because it is more common.-- Moplayer ( talk) 18:54, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
"Southern Kurdistan" is a well known and used term in the Kurdistan region. This is a fact. You absolutely can not deny this. As I said, Kurdistan was divided into four parts and each part still has the wind directions in their Wikipedia articles. See the Wiki-pages of Turkish Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan and Iranian Kurdistan. And Iraqi Kurdistan is still part of it, no matter it is a federal region.-- Moplayer ( talk) 22:53, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
The introduction of an article is there to summarize the main facts of a subject. As long as it is an important fact that Iraqi Kurdistan belongs to the greater Kurdistan Region and is called "Southern Kurdistan" by the kurds themselves, it has to be mentioned in the introduction of the article. -- Moplayer ( talk) 14:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
You can not deny what the people there call their own place. This is a fact, not nationalism. Just because we do not use this term in English media, it does not mean we can ignore it. And Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, is there to mention every possible fact. -- Moplayer ( talk) 02:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Here are some examples, where the term "Southern Kurdistan" is used in:
As you can see, the term was used and still is being used, with approximately 800.000 search results in Google's search engine. I think the discussion should have an end here. You got a lot of arguments and examples why the term "Southern Kurdistan" still should stay in the introduction of the article. -- Moplayer ( talk) 16:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I am providing evidence and facts, but you are only presenting your opinion. However it has to stay in the article as it is a term used by the Kurdish people. And the article is about a part of Kurdistan. I am not pretending to change the name of the whole article to "Southern Kurdistan", but to mention a term which is widely used in English literature (see examples). I have no time to repeat my sayings every time. I saw on your Wiki-page that you probably are an Iranian citizen. Please avoid to implement your own subjective (maybe political) opinion in Wikipedia. Thank You. -- Moplayer ( talk) 01:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I gave you many evidence and examples, you did not anything of this. Your are just giving one unproven argument, which is based on your own opinion. You also are not the one who can decide whether a term is common or not. As long as you can not prove that this term is NOT in use in English media and literature, you are not allowed to simply delete this term from the introduction. -- Moplayer ( talk) 13:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
GDP data section is filled with fiction, I'm reverting it back to 2011 data which says GDP is $23.6 billion... If anyone has information of $172billion GDP, must support it with actual sources. Current source on the page leads to nothing... http://www.iraq-jccme.jp/pdf/arc/04_krg_Investment_factsheet_en.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.170.48 ( talk) 00:40, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
A move discussion relating to this article is open at Kurdish languages' talk page. Khestwol ( talk) 17:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't matter whether there is only one autonomous region within Iraq, this sentence:
Is just bad English.
(One wouldn't write "Iraqi Kurdistan is the region of Iraq", but you can say "Iraqi Kurdistan is a region in Iraq".)
If you use "the", then the next word should be its distinguishing feature. To say that it "is the autonomous region" implies that the remainder of Iraq is the non-autonomous region.
So, if you are going to use "the ... of" you need to be more specific, like
But the first sentence of an article should define the topic for an international audience. Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region (of which there are many in the world), and it is located in northern Iraq (a description of the location that most people would understand). Thus:
The fact that it is the sole autonomous region is not essential to its definition. Iraq could create another autonomous region somewhere else, and Iraqi Kurdistan would still be "an autonomous region in northern Iraq".
If you are hell-bent for political or ideological reasons on emphasizing the fact that it is (currently) the only self-governing region recognized by the Iraqi government, the you could write something like:
Personally I find these too clunky for the first sentence when combined with all the alternate names, but I offer up the last one as a potential compromise.
Pelagic ( talk) 21:41, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Markblue10, in what world is this a sensible phrase: "Kurdistan region ..., officially known as the Kurdistan Region"?
(See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=prev&oldid=684984947 )
You could at least make the effort to edit the whole sentence, rather than blindly changing a couple of words.
Note that the article title is "Iraqi Kurdistan", so this name should come first in the opening sentence. If you have a problem with the title, then open a request-for-move discussion as described at WP:RM#CM. (For example, "Kurdistan Region (Iraq)" could be a reasonable title, if it can be shown that "Iraqi Kurdistan" is not the established common name in English.
Pelagic ( talk) 04:44, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Despite what I wrote above about having the article title near the beginning of the sentence, the following could also work:
"The self-governing Kurdistan Region of Iraq ( Kurdish: ههرێمی کوردستان, Herêmî Kurdistan) is known in English as Iraqi Kurdistan, and by Kurds is also called Southern Kurdistan ( Kurdish: باشووری کوردستان, Başûrê Kurdistanê). It borders ..."
Ideally, the gloss for the official name should be given in Arabic, if that is the language of the Iraqi constitution.
Pelagic ( talk) 14:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
I hope it isn't too tediously obvious for me to point out that this article is called "Iraqi Kurdistan". Despite this, we see changes to the content that seem to give the name "Kurdistan Region" primacy. I don't think we can have this both ways. If the title "Iraqi Kurdistan" really is wrong then that is fair enough (Just prove that this is so and we can rename the article.) but I think we have to be consistent. We can't have the title on the article say one thing and the heading on the infobox say something else. That is confused and confusing. It makes the article look stupid. -- DanielRigal ( talk) 13:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
{{{conventional_long_name}}}
represents the "Formal or official full name of the country in English" which is "Kurdistan Region," while {{{common_name}}}
represents the "Common name in English."Halabja became the fourth province of Kurdistan. I posted the new map with halabja in it.
And the Links 85, 86, 87, 88 are corrupted, I replaced them with the new working links.
http://www.krso.net/Default.aspx?page=article&id=899&l=1&#krso2
http://www.krso.net/Default.aspx?page=article&id=1142&l=1
http://rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/08022015?keyword=gender -- BaranKurd ( talk) 00:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Such 60% number was not mentioned in the source. Only "nearly half" was only measurement was used to assess all who are involved, but as they said it is "survey".
Also, nothing was mentioned about "only by the Kurds in Iraqi Kurdistan". This was also falsified.
Here is copy of the section:
Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)
In 2009 Human Rights Watch found that health providers in Iraqi Kurdistan were involved in both performing and promoting misinformation about the practice of female genital mutilation. FGM is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as all practices "involving partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
The investigation found that FGM was practiced by midwives, but that its prevalence and harm were routinely minimized by physicians and government medical officials. For example, one physician explained to Human Rights Watch that she counselled patients that "circumcision is nothing; it does not influence life because a woman is sensitive in all her parts."[8] Government medical providers routinely told Human Rights Watch that FGM was uncommon-despite surveys finding nearly half of all girls to be circumcised-and promoted false information in media campaigns. One woman told Human Rights Watch that on television "a [government] doctor explained that FGM is normal.... The doctor said, ‘If you do it or not it's still the same.'"
The UN Human Rights Committee has said that FGM violates protections against torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment found in the ICCPR. The UN Committee against Torture has repeatedly said that practices such as FGM violate the physical integrity and human dignity of girls and women. In Iraqi Kurdistan, medical personnel are both complicit in action, performing FGM or providing patients patently false information about it, and inaction, failing to halt the practice in their role as government officials.
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The section below the coat of arms of Iraq Kurdistan should include that Massoud Barzani is the president of Kurdistan region.
With Iraqi Kurdistan in a war with ISIS and a dispute with the central Iraqi government we keep hearing about an independence referendum. This keeps popping up every 2-3 months with a new news outlet claiming it's going to be in the next X months. This is very unlikely and probably used as a political manoeuvre. I suggest that until there is an actual referendum that we don't mention it. ~ Zirguezi 20:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
The map posted here as "Kurdish Independent Kingdoms and Autonomous Principalities circa 1835" is lifted, redrawn and posted here without mentioning the source, namely, Dr. M. Izady. It is sad that such unethical, in fact illegal, steps are allowed by Wikipedia. Of course the person who lifted it, redrew it and posted it, had no problem stealing things. But why Wiki? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:C686:B00:223:32FF:FE9A:1153 ( talk) 21:53, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
The article mentions Baban, Badinan, and Soran; but the map shows only Baban and Soran. A better map for this article would show all three, and omit the extraneous principalities. Pelagic ( talk) 23:02, 12 June 2016 (UTC) However, the map is still valuable for other articles about the individual emirates. [edited 01:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)]
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I've created a draft article about relations between Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava using a paragraph from Foreign relations of Rojava. It needs a lot of work and I'd truly appreciate some help in developing it. Charles Essie ( talk) 16:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I just noticed and tagged the following info in the article as dubious: "As of July 2016, the democratic institutions have effectively been suspended by the Barzani presidency.". This sentence uses what seems to be an op-ed piece to state something as fact. Likewise, the piece doesn't seem to directly support the statement; The closest it seems to get is saying that the Kurds could have done more to prepare their institutions. Eik Corell ( talk) 17:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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I just read this article, but don't see anything yet about it on wikipedia. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to make an update, but it seemed relevant to this page. -- Lasunncty ( talk) 01:48, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
I see the israely flag and something involving Israel in the article, i think somebody trolled. Could somebody fix it? Thanks. -- Capiscuas ( talk) 11:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Have fixed it now, maybe the article writers should lock it for the time being? Culloty82 ( talk) 11:33, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
If/when the territory formally declares independence, Iraq refuses to recognise the decision, what is the Wikipedia convention in relation to same? Culloty82 ( talk) 13:30, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
See Kosovo for how we deal with this sort of thing. Basically, we need to make it clear that Iraqi Kurdistan is a de-facto state, and that it's a disputed territory, and we also need to make mention as to any international recognition/ lack of. -- Jahelistbro ( talk) 20:16, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
What does "Disputed territory within its official borders which is controlled by Iraqi Kurdistan" even mean? It's disputed but also part of Iraqi Kurdistan? What? --Poklane 21:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poklane ( talk • contribs)
In the past month (time of writing 10/2017) Iraqi Kurdistan declared independence from Baghdad after another independence referendum. But there is no mention here. Should I go ahead and try to compile a section mentioning dates, vote figures, declaration and international reactions? 137.222.122.11 ( talk) 20:48, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
The Kurds just lost Kirkuk, Tuz Khurmatu and Sinjar, as well as several other territories, the map needs to reflect that. 70.59.227.82 ( talk) 18:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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i want to add more information Reaberkurdi ( talk) 17:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia became a host for fake news currently you need just one link and you can post everything here. The news about Jewish families in Kurdistan are false made up by politicans and media controlled by them to get western support. Not everything state media posts is true.
"Israeli expert says media reports of 430 families in region incorrect. There is no Jewish community in Kurdistan,” said Dr. Mordechai Zaken, head of minority affairs in the Public Security Ministry. http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/So-are-there-Jews-in-Kurdistan-432756 -- BaranKurd ( talk) 17:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
The Kurdistan Regional statistics office annually actualizes the population numbers. To exaggerate the number by nationalists up to 10 million is false. The last population update for 2017 was 5.8 million. The number of refugees can not be added to the population because they are not residents of Kurdistan and now most of them started to return after the end of the war. The same goes for diisputed areas. People playing with the population datas and are trying to exaggerate while wikipedia should give us realistic infols. -- BaranKurd ( talk) 17:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Diceplaced Iraqis in Kurdistan Region are not refugees they are IDP (Internally Displaced People) because Kurdistan is part of Iraq.
I updated the population numbers of Syrian Refugeees and IDP in the Kurdistan Region. -- JapanerRusse ( talk) 16:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Peshmerga section needs to updated with more recent improved information. The biography definitely needs fresh content... ReberGovend ( talk) 15:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Why is the article full of only war, uprising and politicians? There are separate sections for each one, don't put everything here. There is nothing about Geography, climate, education, and economy!!!
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
This section is simply full of factual errors and paradoxes. I will go ahead and remove the whole section in a week if no reliable source attesting the claims is added.-- Rafy talk
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I've updated this map so that the official area conforms with what the sources on this article show. The disputed areas I have not checked. It's easy to fix this map so please just comment any issues and I will try to fix them as soon as I can. The older maps don't show the recent gains that the Peshmerga achieved during the current war against ISIS. If the updated map has inaccuracies, please help find sources to fix them. Regards,
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
My last edit should was reversed, and though it should have been more refined, the information provided wasn't wrong. Assyria was not anymore a geo-political entity before and during the Islamic conquests. The ruling dynasty of Adiabene was Iranic, and the population was very mixed, with both Aramaic and Iranic populations. This article makes it seem like there were nothing but Assyrians in this region until after the Islamic conquests. I will add the page numbers when I edit it, but the Kurds were indeed mentioned by Baladuri and Tabari as resisting the Arabs during the Islamic conquests, leaving the Kurds out is distorting history. There are even pre-Islamic Syriac sources mentioning the Kurds in this region. Znertu ( talk) 15:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
One more thing, the reference to 'Assorestan' in the 'Ancient' Section should also be removed. Asorestan (Land of the Assyrians, also known as Beth Oromoye/Land of the Arameans) was used to refer to Southern Mesopotamia in the Sassanid era, not Northern Mesopotamia. Znertu ( talk) 15:22, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Slaw Halwest20049 ( talk) 00:29, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Is there a specific reason that the geographical region of Kurdistan of Iraq and the autonomous Kurdistan Region have been merged into one article? The autonomous Kurdistan Region doesn't even encompass all of Iraqi Kurdistan, which makes this article very misleading. I really believe that it's odd that we don't have two separate articles, like Ireland and Republic of Ireland. -- Ahmedo Semsurî ( talk) 00:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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A couple of user insist adding parts of Syria in the lede for this article. I have two issues with that; first it's UNDUE and second it is presented as a fact when so many other sources talk about three parts of Kurdistan; in Turkey, Iran and Iraq, but no Syria. See these reference books on Kurds/Kurdistan for example:
While Kurds do live in Syria (various parts), no Syrian territory is considered part of Kurdistan, which is also echoes in the Treaty of Sevres map. We can refer to the presence of Kurdish-inhabited areas in northeaster Syria, but it is a mistake to refer to that as part of Kurdistan. Otherwise, we would be also calling Armenian Kurdistan, German Kurdistan (parts of German suburbs)? If this is not fixed I'll be adding a neutrality template and I'll take it further. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم ( talk) 02:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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In 1988, the 10-15 km wide security cordon along the Iranian border established in 1975 was extended to 30 kilometers also now also included the area bordering Turkey. [1] No villages were allowed to be inhabited along the border to Iran and Turkey and mass deportations directed at the Kurdish population were were carried ou
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08:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)Hi could anyone find more information about the referendum for the Independence of Kurdistan? I found everywhere sources. But what is the wright story?
They are a bunch of insurgents. They don't have any independence. That's why you can't find the right story about it Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Jacob Bideman ( talk) 01:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
There is a statement which mentions that Kurdistan stretches across Turkey. This is in fact false. Maybe it is recognised in Iraq and especially Iran, though not self-governed. In Turkey this is a completely different situation. It is very offensive to say this as many people have given there lives to prevent Turkey from being diminished into Kurdistan. I have been to Turkey and talked to many people about it including Kurdish people. Only the PKK (A known terrorist organisation), and its supporters are calling it Kurdistan. May I also remind you that Kurdistan is only recognised in two countries both of which I have already mentioned. Therefore Turkey should not be mentioned in this or it should clearly state that this is an opinion of people who support the PKK or the dismantlement of Turkey. There is proof of this in Google Maps. When you look up Kurdistan only part of Iran comes up, nothing more.
Just because there is a source doesn't make it true FFS. Oh here look at the source. Thjarkur get your head out your backside please and look at the other problems with this page. Everything on it is WRONG Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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I would to suggest an additional sub-section to this article on Iraqi Kurdistan: Human resources: Iraqi Kurdistan has been investing in the growth of its human capital in general. [1] Public sector employees are often enrolled in local training programmes or sent overseas to participate in training courses, technical classes, and professional development programmes. [2] However, factors such as the lack of a practical and formal HRD framework specific to the KRG's public sector, the absence of evaluation process, inadequate civil service training institutions, and corruption have hampered effective and efficient professional development and training in the public sector. [3] Therefore, an assessment of such programmes and their outcomes is needed to identify any misuse of public funds, as well as to assist in the reducing of administrative and political corruption and to make policy recommendations. The government's policies for the public sector have also had an impact on the private sector. However, the government has played a much smaller role in the private sector. [4] In Iraqi Kurdistan, the Ministry of Planning has primarily concentrated on activating training in the public sector, with the goal of expanding opportunities and improving the efficiency of the training process. [5] In the long run, this will have an effect on private sector training and growth. Minibrowni ( talk) 17:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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What about a section on the lies which were written? Kurdistan claims that which is not theirs Anonymoosy13 ( talk) 20:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)