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Typically we do not list all the countries which are "rumored" to have connections with the conflict as it violates WP:FRINGE and WP:EXCEPTIONAL. See Syrian civil war infobox as example - all "alleged" parties are removed. GreyShark ( dibra) 19:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Pahlevun, it seems you are cherry picking sources on US and Israel's alleged involvement. The currently presented sources are very weak and similarly i can find plenty of other countries allegedly involved in PJAK's rebellion. Journalist speculations in tabloids are not sufficient. Iranian allegations are surely to be presented in the article, but of course against on all parties - US, Israel, Saudis and UK. GreyShark ( dibra) 13:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
鈥 | The disclosure of classified U.S. diplomatic cables leaked by Wikileaks contain alleged statements made by Meir Dagan, the former director of Israel鈥檚 Mossad intelligence agency, to U.S. officials in August 2007 calling for the support of Kurdish opposition groups, as well as Baluch, Azeri, and student opposition movements, against Tehran. Israel鈥檚 relations with Kurds date back to the implementation of its 鈥減eriphery strategy,鈥 a foreign policy that saw Israel aim to establish open and secret relations with non-Arab countries as well as ethnic and sectarian minorities in the region in an effort to outflank Arab countries around it. Israel is also known to maintain business ties to Kurds in Iraq. | 鈥 |
鈥 Pahlevun ( talk) 06:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
1. So far, you have deleted two sources, an interview with Turkish Ambassador in Iran [1] and Phyllis Bennis' book. [2] This is clearly removal of sourced material and if you are doing it deliberatly without being clear as to why you think the information should be removed, it is WP:Vandalism. I restore the sources.
PJAK is made up of Iranian Kurds whose members attack Iran rather than Turkey, but who are also based in the Kurdish region of Iraq. Israel supports PJAK's anti-Iran mobilization. The complication is that the US supports PJAK attacks in Iran, even while it condemns identical PKK attacks on Turkey.
2. This is funny that you put independet sources in a section called "Iranian allegations". Content of the section is published by reliable sources and is written by people without any connection to Iran:
I name the section "Israeli involvement", if you have any other suggestions for the section, raise it here before any change. The same goes for the section "Iranian and Turkish authorities allegations".
3. The periphery strategy source, quoted above, is titled "The Factors Behind Rebellion in Iranian Kurdistan" and is clearly talking about Iranian Kurds. That is an explanaition on why Israel should by interested in having relations with Kurds in Iran.
4. Do not tag
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I'm open to discuss anything I have added to the article, including this one. I have quoted the reference above and it clearly about Kurds in Iran. It's talking about Mossad's support for opposition groups in Iran (note "against Tehran"). After citing the periphery strategy, it is continued about another country. ("Israel is also known to maintain business ties to Kurds in Iraq"). Pahlevun ( talk) 14:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to Wikileaks, it also now documented fact that Israel has long since attempted to use Kurdish groups such as PJAK (Iraqi Kurdish terror group) to wage continued terror war against Iran for the purposes of destabilization of the government.
I'm still waiting for the next "low quality" source. Pahlevun ( talk) 13:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
According to Iranian official announcement, cited by Financial Times, the parties involved in latest 2016 West Iran clashes are PJAK and PDKI. This means that the PJAK insurgency phase (2004-15) is over in my opinion, transforming into a wider rebellion in 2016, also involving PDKI and PAK. WDYT? GreyShark ( dibra) 07:28, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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Typically we do not list all the countries which are "rumored" to have connections with the conflict as it violates WP:FRINGE and WP:EXCEPTIONAL. See Syrian civil war infobox as example - all "alleged" parties are removed. GreyShark ( dibra) 19:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Pahlevun, it seems you are cherry picking sources on US and Israel's alleged involvement. The currently presented sources are very weak and similarly i can find plenty of other countries allegedly involved in PJAK's rebellion. Journalist speculations in tabloids are not sufficient. Iranian allegations are surely to be presented in the article, but of course against on all parties - US, Israel, Saudis and UK. GreyShark ( dibra) 13:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
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鈥 Pahlevun ( talk) 06:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
1. So far, you have deleted two sources, an interview with Turkish Ambassador in Iran [1] and Phyllis Bennis' book. [2] This is clearly removal of sourced material and if you are doing it deliberatly without being clear as to why you think the information should be removed, it is WP:Vandalism. I restore the sources.
PJAK is made up of Iranian Kurds whose members attack Iran rather than Turkey, but who are also based in the Kurdish region of Iraq. Israel supports PJAK's anti-Iran mobilization. The complication is that the US supports PJAK attacks in Iran, even while it condemns identical PKK attacks on Turkey.
2. This is funny that you put independet sources in a section called "Iranian allegations". Content of the section is published by reliable sources and is written by people without any connection to Iran:
I name the section "Israeli involvement", if you have any other suggestions for the section, raise it here before any change. The same goes for the section "Iranian and Turkish authorities allegations".
3. The periphery strategy source, quoted above, is titled "The Factors Behind Rebellion in Iranian Kurdistan" and is clearly talking about Iranian Kurds. That is an explanaition on why Israel should by interested in having relations with Kurds in Iran.
4. Do not tag
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I'm open to discuss anything I have added to the article, including this one. I have quoted the reference above and it clearly about Kurds in Iran. It's talking about Mossad's support for opposition groups in Iran (note "against Tehran"). After citing the periphery strategy, it is continued about another country. ("Israel is also known to maintain business ties to Kurds in Iraq"). Pahlevun ( talk) 14:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to Wikileaks, it also now documented fact that Israel has long since attempted to use Kurdish groups such as PJAK (Iraqi Kurdish terror group) to wage continued terror war against Iran for the purposes of destabilization of the government.
I'm still waiting for the next "low quality" source. Pahlevun ( talk) 13:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
According to Iranian official announcement, cited by Financial Times, the parties involved in latest 2016 West Iran clashes are PJAK and PDKI. This means that the PJAK insurgency phase (2004-15) is over in my opinion, transforming into a wider rebellion in 2016, also involving PDKI and PAK. WDYT? GreyShark ( dibra) 07:28, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
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