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This only applies if we consider the two parts to be one locomotive. The rest of the article talks about two locomotives operated in pairs, and in that case the above is certainly not true (see SBB-CFF-FFS Re 620). Moreover, there is a difference between power and tractive effort. I would consider "strength" to be about tractive effort, however the above sentence talks about a power figure... I'll fix that. -- Kabelleger 22:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
700 kilonewtons = 157366.26 pounds force par google. Somethings up with the wikipedia conversion... -- Chesapeake ( talk) 07:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Why was this moved from IORE to Iore? The official designation is IORE with capital letters! See Bombardier Transporation website -- Kabelleger ( talk) 19:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). In particular note: 'Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"'. "Iore" is not an acronym for anything, but simply a name. The MOS therefore dictates that lower-case be used. This specifically overrides situations where the manufacturer uses all-caps. Arsenikk (talk) 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure about the "not an acronym for anything" part. Of course the origins are hard to prove, but it's obvious that IORE is a short form of "iron ore". Also, I think that the guidelines are inappropriate in this case, since *everybody* (newspapers, journals) writes IORE in captial letters, unlike the other examples from the guidelines (e.g. a newspaper would write "Kiss", but "IORE"). -- Kabelleger ( talk) 07:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm too new to Good Article reviews to start one, but some comments here. The article currently says (without sources) that the locos were ordered from Bombardier and are a modification of the TRAXX line. I think this should be corrected and expanded upon: the locomotives were ordered from ADtranz, which was bought by Bombardier only after delivering the first; and the IORE class is only an honorary member of he TRAXX family, being a modification of a predecessor of the TRAXX line. (I can dig up some sources in German, one in English is Railcolor.) In the Operation section, it would be good to include changes in operation, problems, and resulting modifications, if there were any. In addition, somewhere in the article, there should be a reference to the Chinese loco derived from this type, the HXD3B. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 13:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have now expanded the Infobox with all the available data, and moved the HXD3B reference to the added See also section after I created the corresponding article. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 19:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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I commented out the recent unsourced edit that said 600 kN is the continuous tractive effort and 700 kN is a short-term TE, and request a clarification and a source. According to the Bombardier data sheet on the locomotive (cited in the article), 600 kN is the starting TE, so a continuous TE equal to that and a short-time one that's even higher seems unlikely. (a possible explanation is a change in the axleload.)
Also, I wonder if the two sources in the recent edit adding single section operation are good enough for Wikipedia. The first one links to a personal homepage, generally frowned upon in WP:SPS, however, I think it is covered under "...produced by an established expert on the topic of the article..." The other link goes to a photo album -- I'm not sure about that, I have been told before that images aren't acceptable as source, but I haven't found a specific MoS policy against them. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 13:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I added a sentence about the type of the converters (Camilla family of water-cooled GTO converters). IMHO this is a significant detail, because Adtranz's locomotives for Germany and the later TRAXX 1 locomotives made in Kassel used a different, ester-cooled GTO converter, originally developed by the German branch of ABB. I gave the FS Class E464 as example for earlier use because the source has some details on the Camilla and the Octeon platform; other vehicles with Camilla I'm aware of were the FS Class E412, SBB-CFF-FFS RABDe 500, and the AVE Class 102 (I think). -- Rontombontom ( talk) 14:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
There's some information about the underframe in this article http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/powerful-freight-locos-take-shape-at-dalian.html - quote The IORE locos have a number of special features for winter operations such as a heavy steel frame protecting the underfloor transformer and steel bars ahead of the leading bogies to prevent blocks of ice or other obstacles from damaging equipment; these are not needed on the Chinese locos. Air filters with roof-level intakes that prevent snow and iron ore dust from reaching the traction compartments are retained to ensure that coal dust cannot penetrate the interior. moved from China HX3B Oranjblud ( talk) 13:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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The article says:
This only applies if we consider the two parts to be one locomotive. The rest of the article talks about two locomotives operated in pairs, and in that case the above is certainly not true (see SBB-CFF-FFS Re 620). Moreover, there is a difference between power and tractive effort. I would consider "strength" to be about tractive effort, however the above sentence talks about a power figure... I'll fix that. -- Kabelleger 22:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
700 kilonewtons = 157366.26 pounds force par google. Somethings up with the wikipedia conversion... -- Chesapeake ( talk) 07:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Why was this moved from IORE to Iore? The official designation is IORE with capital letters! See Bombardier Transporation website -- Kabelleger ( talk) 19:20, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters)#All caps and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks). In particular note: 'Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"'. "Iore" is not an acronym for anything, but simply a name. The MOS therefore dictates that lower-case be used. This specifically overrides situations where the manufacturer uses all-caps. Arsenikk (talk) 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so sure about the "not an acronym for anything" part. Of course the origins are hard to prove, but it's obvious that IORE is a short form of "iron ore". Also, I think that the guidelines are inappropriate in this case, since *everybody* (newspapers, journals) writes IORE in captial letters, unlike the other examples from the guidelines (e.g. a newspaper would write "Kiss", but "IORE"). -- Kabelleger ( talk) 07:19, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm too new to Good Article reviews to start one, but some comments here. The article currently says (without sources) that the locos were ordered from Bombardier and are a modification of the TRAXX line. I think this should be corrected and expanded upon: the locomotives were ordered from ADtranz, which was bought by Bombardier only after delivering the first; and the IORE class is only an honorary member of he TRAXX family, being a modification of a predecessor of the TRAXX line. (I can dig up some sources in German, one in English is Railcolor.) In the Operation section, it would be good to include changes in operation, problems, and resulting modifications, if there were any. In addition, somewhere in the article, there should be a reference to the Chinese loco derived from this type, the HXD3B. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 13:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I have now expanded the Infobox with all the available data, and moved the HXD3B reference to the added See also section after I created the corresponding article. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 19:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
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I commented out the recent unsourced edit that said 600 kN is the continuous tractive effort and 700 kN is a short-term TE, and request a clarification and a source. According to the Bombardier data sheet on the locomotive (cited in the article), 600 kN is the starting TE, so a continuous TE equal to that and a short-time one that's even higher seems unlikely. (a possible explanation is a change in the axleload.)
Also, I wonder if the two sources in the recent edit adding single section operation are good enough for Wikipedia. The first one links to a personal homepage, generally frowned upon in WP:SPS, however, I think it is covered under "...produced by an established expert on the topic of the article..." The other link goes to a photo album -- I'm not sure about that, I have been told before that images aren't acceptable as source, but I haven't found a specific MoS policy against them. -- Rontombontom ( talk) 13:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I added a sentence about the type of the converters (Camilla family of water-cooled GTO converters). IMHO this is a significant detail, because Adtranz's locomotives for Germany and the later TRAXX 1 locomotives made in Kassel used a different, ester-cooled GTO converter, originally developed by the German branch of ABB. I gave the FS Class E464 as example for earlier use because the source has some details on the Camilla and the Octeon platform; other vehicles with Camilla I'm aware of were the FS Class E412, SBB-CFF-FFS RABDe 500, and the AVE Class 102 (I think). -- Rontombontom ( talk) 14:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
There's some information about the underframe in this article http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/powerful-freight-locos-take-shape-at-dalian.html - quote The IORE locos have a number of special features for winter operations such as a heavy steel frame protecting the underfloor transformer and steel bars ahead of the leading bogies to prevent blocks of ice or other obstacles from damaging equipment; these are not needed on the Chinese locos. Air filters with roof-level intakes that prevent snow and iron ore dust from reaching the traction compartments are retained to ensure that coal dust cannot penetrate the interior. moved from China HX3B Oranjblud ( talk) 13:46, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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