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can anyone tell me about the preparation of the naval ship for the un mission in lebanon. what are the total requirement in regard to armaments, ammunition, stores and other administration? what about your experience onboard indonesian ship in lebanon? mahmud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.7.142 ( talk) 09:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
In the opening statement, "the indonesian navy is the largest navies.. Etc" is grammat ically wrong, someone please fix this..
The claim of blanket largest is questionable. Using global firepower just as a summary, total combat vesials in the the Indonesian navy is 150 http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Indonesia, compaired to the Thai navy of 596 http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Thailand. Most of Thialand's, and for that matter Indonesia's navy consists of various patrol boats, mine warfare and other smaller ships, but for this claim to be made, it needs to be accompanied by either largest fleet of ships covert or larger or change it to say "one of the largest navies in domestic to South East Asia". Any thoughts on this? The Australian Red Man ( talk) 15:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree, the claim that the Indonesia has 150 "ships" is misleading and should be changed. Wikipedia defines a "modern ship" as "any large buoyant watercraft" Ship. A ship is not a patrol boat, tug boat, motorized barge, or garbage scow. As it stands the article states the Indonesian navy has more ships than the UK Royal Navy or the French_Navy. I wanted to change "ship" to "vessel", but in Wikipedia "vessel" defaults to the Marine_vessel article. If someone wants to do a further break up of "ship" and "small vessels" of the Indonesia Navy then please do. Surfing bird ( talk) 10:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the statement a bit iffy?
"The Indonesian Navy is also one of only few navies in the region which are substantially supported by domestic military industries as well as armed with marine corps, supersonic missiles and attack submarines."
Firstly, the vast majority of their ships at the moment are imports from foreign suppliers, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Indonesian_Navy_ships and all their aircraft are foreign. Is it trying to say that they one of only a few Southeast Asian nations that maintain their ships domestically? Can anyone tell me what is meant by this?
Second: Vietnam, the Philippines, Thailand, East Timor (albit a small one), Cambodia ect have a marine core; malaysia, australia, singapore, vietnam have submarines capable of an attack role and the same story for supersonic missiles. I suppose the question is does this represent a "few navies" in the region. In my opinion, it does not.
I propose that this is rewritten to remove the 'substantially supported' part and listing the indonesian navy as one of only a few that have these things.
I will be doing a large cleanup for this article in the next few days. Lagoonaville ( talk) 01:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
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Lukenos94: I need your response
Lagoonaville (
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01:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the Kilo submarine that 180.253.39.141 added, they provide no sources, and my search only turned up some untrustworthy blogs saying that the order is confirmed, with the more reputable places saying that some members of the navy have talked about how Kilos are under consideration.
Also, the claim that 6 SIGMA frigates needs some more sources. The only one provided does not mention the number of SIGMAS on order, and most other sources say that only two are ordered. As it clarifies that the additional 4 are being planned further on, I would like to ask if anyone has any links to a good source stating this? The Australian Red Man ( talk) 08:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The Insignia with the green colour is correct according to the official TNI-AL Flag currently in use. -- EvoSwatch ( talk) 04:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Its seems that there is redundant information on Principal Commands under the Navy Chief of Staff section. this section have table and list that pretty much provide the same information and the table is full of icons (exactly definition of MOS:XMASTREE). I propose to remove the table with all of those icons. pinging @ EvoSwatch: @ Atara123: @ Cal1407: @ Davidelit: for your comments. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 15:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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can anyone tell me about the preparation of the naval ship for the un mission in lebanon. what are the total requirement in regard to armaments, ammunition, stores and other administration? what about your experience onboard indonesian ship in lebanon? mahmud —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.56.7.142 ( talk) 09:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
In the opening statement, "the indonesian navy is the largest navies.. Etc" is grammat ically wrong, someone please fix this..
The claim of blanket largest is questionable. Using global firepower just as a summary, total combat vesials in the the Indonesian navy is 150 http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Indonesia, compaired to the Thai navy of 596 http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=Thailand. Most of Thialand's, and for that matter Indonesia's navy consists of various patrol boats, mine warfare and other smaller ships, but for this claim to be made, it needs to be accompanied by either largest fleet of ships covert or larger or change it to say "one of the largest navies in domestic to South East Asia". Any thoughts on this? The Australian Red Man ( talk) 15:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I agree, the claim that the Indonesia has 150 "ships" is misleading and should be changed. Wikipedia defines a "modern ship" as "any large buoyant watercraft" Ship. A ship is not a patrol boat, tug boat, motorized barge, or garbage scow. As it stands the article states the Indonesian navy has more ships than the UK Royal Navy or the French_Navy. I wanted to change "ship" to "vessel", but in Wikipedia "vessel" defaults to the Marine_vessel article. If someone wants to do a further break up of "ship" and "small vessels" of the Indonesia Navy then please do. Surfing bird ( talk) 10:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone else find the statement a bit iffy?
"The Indonesian Navy is also one of only few navies in the region which are substantially supported by domestic military industries as well as armed with marine corps, supersonic missiles and attack submarines."
Firstly, the vast majority of their ships at the moment are imports from foreign suppliers, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_Indonesian_Navy_ships and all their aircraft are foreign. Is it trying to say that they one of only a few Southeast Asian nations that maintain their ships domestically? Can anyone tell me what is meant by this?
Second: Vietnam, the Philippines, Thailand, East Timor (albit a small one), Cambodia ect have a marine core; malaysia, australia, singapore, vietnam have submarines capable of an attack role and the same story for supersonic missiles. I suppose the question is does this represent a "few navies" in the region. In my opinion, it does not.
I propose that this is rewritten to remove the 'substantially supported' part and listing the indonesian navy as one of only a few that have these things.
I will be doing a large cleanup for this article in the next few days. Lagoonaville ( talk) 01:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
@
Lukenos94: I need your response
Lagoonaville (
talk)
01:29, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the Kilo submarine that 180.253.39.141 added, they provide no sources, and my search only turned up some untrustworthy blogs saying that the order is confirmed, with the more reputable places saying that some members of the navy have talked about how Kilos are under consideration.
Also, the claim that 6 SIGMA frigates needs some more sources. The only one provided does not mention the number of SIGMAS on order, and most other sources say that only two are ordered. As it clarifies that the additional 4 are being planned further on, I would like to ask if anyone has any links to a good source stating this? The Australian Red Man ( talk) 08:20, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
The Insignia with the green colour is correct according to the official TNI-AL Flag currently in use. -- EvoSwatch ( talk) 04:53, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 02:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Its seems that there is redundant information on Principal Commands under the Navy Chief of Staff section. this section have table and list that pretty much provide the same information and the table is full of icons (exactly definition of MOS:XMASTREE). I propose to remove the table with all of those icons. pinging @ EvoSwatch: @ Atara123: @ Cal1407: @ Davidelit: for your comments. Thank you. Ckfasdf ( talk) 15:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)