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Yes; merge Thanks Hmains 03:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
No; Merging one into another would amount to taking sides in a very controvesial issue in Fiji i.e. What should Fiji citizens of Indian origin be known as?
No; I am a Fiji Indian
Nothing to merge - it's a brand new article, and it doesn't appear to have anything much that isn't here. Guettarda 05:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The article defines "Indo-Fijian" by The constitution of Fiji defines "Indian" as anybody who can trace, through either the male or the female line, their ancestry back to anywhere on the Indian subcontinent. The rest of the article has a tone that suggests it would be in the interests of an individual to choose not to be identified as Indo-Fijian, but as Fijian if possible. I'm not sure id this is a subtle bias in the text of the article that needs ot be removed, or if there needs to be a new section discussing the benefits of being an Indo-Fijian in Fiji. As it stands, the article suggests that someone should try to "forget" their Indian heritage when enrolling to vote, for example, and self-identify as Fijian rather than Indo-Fijian. -- Scott Davis Talk 07:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHEN AND HOW THE SANATAN DHRAM COMMUNITY AND RELIGION SUPPORTED CHILD MARRIGES????? THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!i AM OF THAT RELIGION MYSELF, AND CHILD MARRIGES ARE FORBIDDEN, DUE TO THE LACK OF A CHILD UNDERSTANDING THE SACRAMENT!!!!!!!!
-Then why dont you edit the page? dumbarse
Disagree with this term, soley because it is an incorrect reference to ethnicity. If you know anything about Fiji and the term 'Fijian' in Fiji, you will know that not even part Fijians (ethnic) who have Fijian mothers and White (or other) fathers can call themselves Fijian. The term 'Fijian' is used in reference to an ethnic Fijian only, all other nationalities in Fiji are know as Fiji Islanders. So really, the correct term is Fiji Indian.
this is not true what so ever you do now know wha tyou are talking about - it is you who doesnt know what you are talking about. We are all fijian in our own ways. I am mostly of fijian indian descent with polynesian ancestry (great great grandpa was Taukei).We're all fijian. if you aint fijian enough why dont you f.ck offand migrate elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
This article has a good amount of history on Indo-Fijians, however it has little about the culture or notable individuals or the ethnic info-box which usually characterize articles about ethnicities. Jztinfinity 04:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I've merged the Indo-Fijian and Fiji Indian articles, as it is against Wikipedia policy to "mirror" articles. I noted that one contributor to the talk page pointed out that merging one into the other would be tantamount to taking sides on a controversial issue, so I did neither, opting instead for a new title: Indians in Fiji, to which both of the old articles now redirect. I've merged the entire edit history of both articles into this one.
To change the subject: I've deleted a POV paragraph that claims that Fiji "officially" imposes disabilities on Indians. It does not - officially. Unofficially, it may well do, but the disabilities imposed by the 1990 constitution were repealed by the 1997 constitution. I know you sourced the paragraph - the sources are good, but were written during the 2000-2001 period of upheaval when the constitution was in limbo. It was a court order in favour of an Indian farmer (Chandrika Prasad) that reinstated the constitution. I know the Qarase government was widely accused of discriminating against Indians, but they did not do so legally or constitutionally. David Cannon 12:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Fiji's 1997 constitution is a vast improvement on the 1990 constitution but it still discriminates in favour of ethnic Fijians. The Great Council of Chiefs, an entirely ethnic Fijian body selects the President who then appoints the Prime Minister and the Commander of the Military.
One might say that the constitution does not say that the President can't be of Indian origin, but the fact is that Fiji Indians (Indo-Fijians) have no say in the selection of the President of their country. (Just imagine a situation where the Governor-General of New Zealand was selected by Moaris only)
It should also be noted that that approximately half the members of the Senate are appointed by the Great Council of Chiefs and the Senate does have powers to block constitutional changes and other legislation indirectly affecting Fiji's citizens of Indian origin e.g. land tenure
Ironically reserving seats in the House of Representatives, originally designed to placate ethnic Fijian fears may soon start to discriminate in favour of the Indian community as their numbers decrease due to migration and very low birth rate. Girmitya 02:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I dont get it the natives of Australia are not Australians but Aborigines and the natives of New Zealand arent New zealanders but Maori and even the USA the natives arent American but Native American or Red Indians so why Discriminate the Indo-Fijian by giving them a name which means nothing.The term Fijian should be reserved for all people who are Citizen of this Country regardless of the race .They should Ban the term 'Indo-Fijian' because in the future that word would create a lot of problems. ø~Cometstyles~ø (talk)
It's fijian or fijian indian end of bloody debate. Btw we are not 5th or 6th gen mostly some go as far as 7 or or 8 or more others have no idea what generation in reality they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe there is little value to the search statistic that is provided in the "Name debate" section. It cannot be directly used to help or oppose the argument of the popularity of a name (and hence is useless). I think that statement should be removed. Opinions welcome. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 19:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a misconception that because they came from Fiji they are Fijians. The culture is different, the language is even more different, the food, lifestyles, cultures, religion and traditions are even more difference than similarity and in circumstances as such there will always be differences in ideologies.
Majority of the Indo-Fijians are Hindu’s that worship their deities and pagan gods, the native Fijians on the other hand are strict Christians who do not believe and like idol worship. Even the two religions are different. As in the Hindu tradition money is worshipped, to the indigenous Fijians money is just a commodity.
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Actually sir/madam there are alot of similarities and strong ones between the native fijians and fijian indians like customs, marriages, as for religion naitve fijians were once pagans too that had many deities esp the snake god degei. Go get your facts right guess you never lived in Fiji ling enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6159830&id=318777136349 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magsta09 ( talk • contribs) 18:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 22:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Indians in Fiji → Indo-Fijians – Now clearly the common name for this ethnic group over "Fiji Indians" ( Ngram) and already used throughout the article. "Indians in Fiji" makes it sound like it's referring to Indian citizens. Number 5 7 21:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I’ve made many changes to this page with new references. Created much more consistency too with labels and across other Fijian articles. 122.57.83.196 ( talk) 22:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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Yes; merge Thanks Hmains 03:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
No; Merging one into another would amount to taking sides in a very controvesial issue in Fiji i.e. What should Fiji citizens of Indian origin be known as?
No; I am a Fiji Indian
Nothing to merge - it's a brand new article, and it doesn't appear to have anything much that isn't here. Guettarda 05:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
The article defines "Indo-Fijian" by The constitution of Fiji defines "Indian" as anybody who can trace, through either the male or the female line, their ancestry back to anywhere on the Indian subcontinent. The rest of the article has a tone that suggests it would be in the interests of an individual to choose not to be identified as Indo-Fijian, but as Fijian if possible. I'm not sure id this is a subtle bias in the text of the article that needs ot be removed, or if there needs to be a new section discussing the benefits of being an Indo-Fijian in Fiji. As it stands, the article suggests that someone should try to "forget" their Indian heritage when enrolling to vote, for example, and self-identify as Fijian rather than Indo-Fijian. -- Scott Davis Talk 07:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHEN AND HOW THE SANATAN DHRAM COMMUNITY AND RELIGION SUPPORTED CHILD MARRIGES????? THIS IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!i AM OF THAT RELIGION MYSELF, AND CHILD MARRIGES ARE FORBIDDEN, DUE TO THE LACK OF A CHILD UNDERSTANDING THE SACRAMENT!!!!!!!!
-Then why dont you edit the page? dumbarse
Disagree with this term, soley because it is an incorrect reference to ethnicity. If you know anything about Fiji and the term 'Fijian' in Fiji, you will know that not even part Fijians (ethnic) who have Fijian mothers and White (or other) fathers can call themselves Fijian. The term 'Fijian' is used in reference to an ethnic Fijian only, all other nationalities in Fiji are know as Fiji Islanders. So really, the correct term is Fiji Indian.
this is not true what so ever you do now know wha tyou are talking about - it is you who doesnt know what you are talking about. We are all fijian in our own ways. I am mostly of fijian indian descent with polynesian ancestry (great great grandpa was Taukei).We're all fijian. if you aint fijian enough why dont you f.ck offand migrate elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
This article has a good amount of history on Indo-Fijians, however it has little about the culture or notable individuals or the ethnic info-box which usually characterize articles about ethnicities. Jztinfinity 04:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I've merged the Indo-Fijian and Fiji Indian articles, as it is against Wikipedia policy to "mirror" articles. I noted that one contributor to the talk page pointed out that merging one into the other would be tantamount to taking sides on a controversial issue, so I did neither, opting instead for a new title: Indians in Fiji, to which both of the old articles now redirect. I've merged the entire edit history of both articles into this one.
To change the subject: I've deleted a POV paragraph that claims that Fiji "officially" imposes disabilities on Indians. It does not - officially. Unofficially, it may well do, but the disabilities imposed by the 1990 constitution were repealed by the 1997 constitution. I know you sourced the paragraph - the sources are good, but were written during the 2000-2001 period of upheaval when the constitution was in limbo. It was a court order in favour of an Indian farmer (Chandrika Prasad) that reinstated the constitution. I know the Qarase government was widely accused of discriminating against Indians, but they did not do so legally or constitutionally. David Cannon 12:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Fiji's 1997 constitution is a vast improvement on the 1990 constitution but it still discriminates in favour of ethnic Fijians. The Great Council of Chiefs, an entirely ethnic Fijian body selects the President who then appoints the Prime Minister and the Commander of the Military.
One might say that the constitution does not say that the President can't be of Indian origin, but the fact is that Fiji Indians (Indo-Fijians) have no say in the selection of the President of their country. (Just imagine a situation where the Governor-General of New Zealand was selected by Moaris only)
It should also be noted that that approximately half the members of the Senate are appointed by the Great Council of Chiefs and the Senate does have powers to block constitutional changes and other legislation indirectly affecting Fiji's citizens of Indian origin e.g. land tenure
Ironically reserving seats in the House of Representatives, originally designed to placate ethnic Fijian fears may soon start to discriminate in favour of the Indian community as their numbers decrease due to migration and very low birth rate. Girmitya 02:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I dont get it the natives of Australia are not Australians but Aborigines and the natives of New Zealand arent New zealanders but Maori and even the USA the natives arent American but Native American or Red Indians so why Discriminate the Indo-Fijian by giving them a name which means nothing.The term Fijian should be reserved for all people who are Citizen of this Country regardless of the race .They should Ban the term 'Indo-Fijian' because in the future that word would create a lot of problems. ø~Cometstyles~ø (talk)
It's fijian or fijian indian end of bloody debate. Btw we are not 5th or 6th gen mostly some go as far as 7 or or 8 or more others have no idea what generation in reality they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe there is little value to the search statistic that is provided in the "Name debate" section. It cannot be directly used to help or oppose the argument of the popularity of a name (and hence is useless). I think that statement should be removed. Opinions welcome. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 19:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a misconception that because they came from Fiji they are Fijians. The culture is different, the language is even more different, the food, lifestyles, cultures, religion and traditions are even more difference than similarity and in circumstances as such there will always be differences in ideologies.
Majority of the Indo-Fijians are Hindu’s that worship their deities and pagan gods, the native Fijians on the other hand are strict Christians who do not believe and like idol worship. Even the two religions are different. As in the Hindu tradition money is worshipped, to the indigenous Fijians money is just a commodity.
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18:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)margaretn.
Actually sir/madam there are alot of similarities and strong ones between the native fijians and fijian indians like customs, marriages, as for religion naitve fijians were once pagans too that had many deities esp the snake god degei. Go get your facts right guess you never lived in Fiji ling enough —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.156.220 ( talk) 08:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 22:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Indians in Fiji → Indo-Fijians – Now clearly the common name for this ethnic group over "Fiji Indians" ( Ngram) and already used throughout the article. "Indians in Fiji" makes it sound like it's referring to Indian citizens. Number 5 7 21:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I’ve made many changes to this page with new references. Created much more consistency too with labels and across other Fijian articles. 122.57.83.196 ( talk) 22:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)