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This article could do with a few photographs of Indians from different cultural backgrounds – perhaps Singaporean Indians who trace their ancestry to different parts of India, or Indians of different religions – to illustrate it. Does anyone have any that can be used? Cheers, Jacklee 14:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states -
According to the Singstat website, ethnic group and race seem to be interchangeable:
This would confirm the existence of a single concept, where race is the dominant term, being used for all official purposes, and ethnic group a rarely-used synonym. As it stands, the article leads to the interpretation that Singstat make a distinction between the two terms. Rather than simply deleting the statement, I propose to rephrase it such as to underline the absence of distinction. JREL ( talk) 15:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The introductory paragraph of the article currently reads: "While they [Indians] are the smallest of the city-state's three main 'races', among cities, Singapore has the one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations." Can this be right? There must be a larger overseas Indian population in countries like the UK and USA by virtue of the larger overall population in those countries. Or does Singapore have one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations relative to the population of the country as a whole? Some clarification of this would be most welcome. Cheers, Jacklee 01:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I re-read the sentence in the introductory paragraph set out above, and realized that it clams that as a city rather than as a country, Singapore has one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations. Lower down, in the subsection " Contemporary population size", it is stated that "Singapore has one of the largest overseas Indian population among cities. Only London and Durban have more overseas Indians in terms of both absolute and relative numbers." However, there seem to be a few problems with this statement:
Cheers, Jacklee 00:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there - thanks for your attention to / interest in this article. Hope this clarifies things a bit: while NYC may have a larger absolute number of ethnic Indian residents, Singapore seems to have a higher percentage. Conversely, Port Louis may have a higher percentage of ethnic Indians, but Singapore has a higher absolute number. The point of the line - "Singapore has one of the largest overseas Indian population among cities. Only London and Durban have more overseas Indians in terms of both absolute and relative numbers" - is that when we look at the size of overseas Indian communities in cities around the world - in terms of *BOTH* absolute AND relative numbers - only London and Durban have more Indians than Singapore on both counts. I'm afraid I'm not sure how to put it more clearly. To me it seems a good / valid way to capture both measures of size. of course, we could also / alternatively rank Singapore by each measure individually, but that seemed too fussy / detailed to me for this entry, especially since the info is already carried on other Wiki pages.
Re: links no longer working - am not free to look into this right now, but hope to get round to it at some point unless someone can do it first! ishouldbeworking
Wiki Raja 11:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Although the article is well-referenced, I am concerned that it is not written in summary style. Here is how I think the article should be structured:
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 14:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe I'm one of the main contributors to this article so far. I confess I've not been very good at logging in each time I edit, or noting the changes in the edit summary - sorry if this makes things more difficult for other editors. J.L.W.S - I'm not a very active Wikipedian, but to the extent that I think I understand the issue of 'summary style', I do share your sentiments. One of my own concerns about the article is its length. I was hoping some kind soul with more experience could step in at this point and help to clean up and wikify the piece, but failing that, i have had another go. I think J.L.W.S.'s proposed structure makes sense, and have attemped to work towards that in recent edits. I have also created new pages to move some content there (e.g. History of Indians in Singapore), so that this page remains a summary. Am still in the process of doing this. Meanwhile would appreciate any further comments or ideas. I'm pleasantly surprised that Jackless thinks the article is a potential GA, and I'm hoping that with some new contributors, we could have a new Singapore GA to add to the list before too long. Ishouldbeworking ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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Tiger7253, Would you be able to find a source for this edit? The content is informative but it would still require a source per WP:NOR. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:25, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
This however does not confer the term 'Singaporean Indian' on recent immigrants or foreigners from countries in the Indian subcontinent outside the Republic of India proper (who are otherwise considered Pakistani, Bangladeshi, or Sri Lankan in the modern-day context). [1] The Singaporean Indian community was established during the colonial period, and the local definition of 'Indian' therefore corresponds with the pre-1947 definition prior to the partition of India, encompassing any ethno-linguistic group within the local Indian population that can trace their heritage back to the territories held by undivided India and Sri Lanka before 1947. Three such communities include the Sindhi Hindus, who trace their roots to Sindh, and the Punjabi Sikhs, many of whom trace their roots to West Punjab, [2] both of which now fall within the country of Pakistan, and the Sri Lankan Tamils."
There is a related AFD about an article which apparently copied some content from this article. Inviting more opinions. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Lemongirl942: and @ Iryna Harpy: An editor that goes by the name A.R.Nayudu has constantly made disruptive edits that I have had to revert, time and time again. The nature of the edits appears to be chauvinistic, geared towards ethnic and linguistic sentiments. For example, this user removed 'Hindi' from the infobox even though Hindi is listed in the PDF document of the official Singapore government census that has been well-referenced all over this article. This user has also been making other unexplained removals - the latest of which was to remove 'Malayalee' from a sentence with no explanation whatsoever, and remove 'Holi' from the list of minor, non-official Indian festivals celebrated in Singapore. It is getting tiring to constantly revert edits that are pointlessly chauvinistic, and I would appreciate your help in the matter because I am not an admin and do not have the sufficient privileges required to tackle such users. Thanks. Tiger7253 ( talk) 14:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
There were a bunch of edits in Feb 2017. I have reverted to the statusquo. Edits such as this seem to be WP:IDONTLIKEIT, although there might be possible original research. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:49, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Tiger7253:I understand that you had previously reverted unsourced additions of various religions, but this is not required. Footnotes such as these need sources too, and generally we do not put them in as they are part of the article. This article is on my watchlist, so I can revert any unsourced additions. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@lemongirl942 @tiger7253 guys I honestly don't get it, you guys are confusing me ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:15, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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@ Tiger7253: Care to share the census detail you just referred to? I'm very interested in looking at it myself for future reference. Until then it's surprising that not one of the Indian Muslims of Singapore is of Sindh or Punjab descent. Secondly, are you aware that Sindh and Punjab regions span both sides of the border? That prior to Partition of India, many of the Sikhs and Hindus on the India side used to reside on the Pakistan side? And the same for the many Muslims who migrated into Pakistan during partition, having previously lived on the India side.
You seem to be looking at it purely from a 21st century angle. The table already includes Punjab and Sindh under "ancestral homes", if you bother to click it you'll see those articles' map and lede section clearly state they encompass both sides. So your comment "..nor do they have anything to do with Pakistan, heritage-wise." in the revert seems awfully misplaced. If you're correct then the article is currently wrong, and shouldn't include Punjab and Sindh under "ancestral home" since it seems to contradict you.
According to Indian_Singaporeans#Religions itself, 21.7% of Indian Singaporeans are Muslim. Please give me a breakdown of their ethnic composition. DA1 ( talk) 00:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
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This article could do with a few photographs of Indians from different cultural backgrounds – perhaps Singaporean Indians who trace their ancestry to different parts of India, or Indians of different religions – to illustrate it. Does anyone have any that can be used? Cheers, Jacklee 14:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states -
According to the Singstat website, ethnic group and race seem to be interchangeable:
This would confirm the existence of a single concept, where race is the dominant term, being used for all official purposes, and ethnic group a rarely-used synonym. As it stands, the article leads to the interpretation that Singstat make a distinction between the two terms. Rather than simply deleting the statement, I propose to rephrase it such as to underline the absence of distinction. JREL ( talk) 15:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
The introductory paragraph of the article currently reads: "While they [Indians] are the smallest of the city-state's three main 'races', among cities, Singapore has the one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations." Can this be right? There must be a larger overseas Indian population in countries like the UK and USA by virtue of the larger overall population in those countries. Or does Singapore have one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations relative to the population of the country as a whole? Some clarification of this would be most welcome. Cheers, Jacklee 01:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I re-read the sentence in the introductory paragraph set out above, and realized that it clams that as a city rather than as a country, Singapore has one of the world's largest overseas Indian populations. Lower down, in the subsection " Contemporary population size", it is stated that "Singapore has one of the largest overseas Indian population among cities. Only London and Durban have more overseas Indians in terms of both absolute and relative numbers." However, there seem to be a few problems with this statement:
Cheers, Jacklee 00:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi there - thanks for your attention to / interest in this article. Hope this clarifies things a bit: while NYC may have a larger absolute number of ethnic Indian residents, Singapore seems to have a higher percentage. Conversely, Port Louis may have a higher percentage of ethnic Indians, but Singapore has a higher absolute number. The point of the line - "Singapore has one of the largest overseas Indian population among cities. Only London and Durban have more overseas Indians in terms of both absolute and relative numbers" - is that when we look at the size of overseas Indian communities in cities around the world - in terms of *BOTH* absolute AND relative numbers - only London and Durban have more Indians than Singapore on both counts. I'm afraid I'm not sure how to put it more clearly. To me it seems a good / valid way to capture both measures of size. of course, we could also / alternatively rank Singapore by each measure individually, but that seemed too fussy / detailed to me for this entry, especially since the info is already carried on other Wiki pages.
Re: links no longer working - am not free to look into this right now, but hope to get round to it at some point unless someone can do it first! ishouldbeworking
Wiki Raja 11:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Although the article is well-referenced, I am concerned that it is not written in summary style. Here is how I think the article should be structured:
-- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 14:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I believe I'm one of the main contributors to this article so far. I confess I've not been very good at logging in each time I edit, or noting the changes in the edit summary - sorry if this makes things more difficult for other editors. J.L.W.S - I'm not a very active Wikipedian, but to the extent that I think I understand the issue of 'summary style', I do share your sentiments. One of my own concerns about the article is its length. I was hoping some kind soul with more experience could step in at this point and help to clean up and wikify the piece, but failing that, i have had another go. I think J.L.W.S.'s proposed structure makes sense, and have attemped to work towards that in recent edits. I have also created new pages to move some content there (e.g. History of Indians in Singapore), so that this page remains a summary. Am still in the process of doing this. Meanwhile would appreciate any further comments or ideas. I'm pleasantly surprised that Jackless thinks the article is a potential GA, and I'm hoping that with some new contributors, we could have a new Singapore GA to add to the list before too long. Ishouldbeworking ( talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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Tiger7253, Would you be able to find a source for this edit? The content is informative but it would still require a source per WP:NOR. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:25, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
This however does not confer the term 'Singaporean Indian' on recent immigrants or foreigners from countries in the Indian subcontinent outside the Republic of India proper (who are otherwise considered Pakistani, Bangladeshi, or Sri Lankan in the modern-day context). [1] The Singaporean Indian community was established during the colonial period, and the local definition of 'Indian' therefore corresponds with the pre-1947 definition prior to the partition of India, encompassing any ethno-linguistic group within the local Indian population that can trace their heritage back to the territories held by undivided India and Sri Lanka before 1947. Three such communities include the Sindhi Hindus, who trace their roots to Sindh, and the Punjabi Sikhs, many of whom trace their roots to West Punjab, [2] both of which now fall within the country of Pakistan, and the Sri Lankan Tamils."
There is a related AFD about an article which apparently copied some content from this article. Inviting more opinions. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 02:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
@ Lemongirl942: and @ Iryna Harpy: An editor that goes by the name A.R.Nayudu has constantly made disruptive edits that I have had to revert, time and time again. The nature of the edits appears to be chauvinistic, geared towards ethnic and linguistic sentiments. For example, this user removed 'Hindi' from the infobox even though Hindi is listed in the PDF document of the official Singapore government census that has been well-referenced all over this article. This user has also been making other unexplained removals - the latest of which was to remove 'Malayalee' from a sentence with no explanation whatsoever, and remove 'Holi' from the list of minor, non-official Indian festivals celebrated in Singapore. It is getting tiring to constantly revert edits that are pointlessly chauvinistic, and I would appreciate your help in the matter because I am not an admin and do not have the sufficient privileges required to tackle such users. Thanks. Tiger7253 ( talk) 14:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
There were a bunch of edits in Feb 2017. I have reverted to the statusquo. Edits such as this seem to be WP:IDONTLIKEIT, although there might be possible original research. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:49, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
@ Tiger7253:I understand that you had previously reverted unsourced additions of various religions, but this is not required. Footnotes such as these need sources too, and generally we do not put them in as they are part of the article. This article is on my watchlist, so I can revert any unsourced additions. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 03:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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@ Tiger7253: Care to share the census detail you just referred to? I'm very interested in looking at it myself for future reference. Until then it's surprising that not one of the Indian Muslims of Singapore is of Sindh or Punjab descent. Secondly, are you aware that Sindh and Punjab regions span both sides of the border? That prior to Partition of India, many of the Sikhs and Hindus on the India side used to reside on the Pakistan side? And the same for the many Muslims who migrated into Pakistan during partition, having previously lived on the India side.
You seem to be looking at it purely from a 21st century angle. The table already includes Punjab and Sindh under "ancestral homes", if you bother to click it you'll see those articles' map and lede section clearly state they encompass both sides. So your comment "..nor do they have anything to do with Pakistan, heritage-wise." in the revert seems awfully misplaced. If you're correct then the article is currently wrong, and shouldn't include Punjab and Sindh under "ancestral home" since it seems to contradict you.
According to Indian_Singaporeans#Religions itself, 21.7% of Indian Singaporeans are Muslim. Please give me a breakdown of their ethnic composition. DA1 ( talk) 00:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)