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The section on the US says that only Maine has elected an independent governor. Are we talking true independents (that is, those who have no affiliation) or can we also include small third parties on this list? There are numerous examples of third-party governors, the most recent being Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. whose A Connecticut Party was essentially a vehicle for his personal post-Republican political career. -- Jfruh ( talk) 02:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. was also an independent politician in United States. He was originally a Democrat but left the party in 1970, remaining in the Senate as an independent until 1983. Wooyi 03:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The IPO was created to provide ballot access for independents. Both the effort by the Oregon legislature to limit ballot access for independent candidates and efforts to remedy that action are as pertinent to this category as the references to local parties in the UK. Also, reference list from IPO web site included contemporary news articles from Oregon newspapers, fair use with attribution, that are otherwise no longer available on the web. Bad form to delete them and revert the article without at least reading the references to determine relevence, or taking part in discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speralta ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Restored reference to independent party. The articles archived on the IPO site are from major Oregon media sources, and are cited as such. Archival of the pieces was necessary since none of the papers in question maintains articles for more than a few months.
Please also see: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.156.171 ( talk) 08:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
They have an estimated population of 1,700. Sorry, but i've removed this based on the fact it is not noteable! Timeshift ( talk) 15:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Bill Slavick received 5% of the vote, and had no impact on the race; Christy Mihos received 7% of the vote, which had no impact on the race, and was not a candidate for Congress, so should not be in the Congressional section. I've removed Slavick from the count as 'major' candidates - single-digit percentages in an election decided by more than 15% is not "major". XINOPH | TALK
As in other countries, many "independent" candidates for public office form political parties to gain ballot access in states where it is easier to form a political party than it is to run as a wholly unaffiliated candidate. Most notably, this happens in Oregon, Idaho, Connecticut, and New Mexico. These parties may or may not be called "Independent Parties". In Oregon, for example, Nader formed "the Peace Party" to gain ballot access in 2008. This page recognizes candidates who form parties for the purposes of running for public office as "independent" when it relates to other countries, but one unscrupulous editor (gang14), repeatedly changes the page without comment or discussion when similar provisions are created as it relates to the United States. Further, in some states, legislatures have similarly made it more difficult for non-affiliated candidates to gain ballot access. These changes are also frequently deleted by gang14, even though they are relevant to the history of independent politicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.245.198 ( talk) 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
What's the deal with the addition to this article of Teddy Roosevelt's running as a Bull Moose in 1912? That wouldn't be an independent candidacy, but a third-party candidacy. Qqqqqq ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
These are different and each should have a separate entry. An independent voter may often vote for a major party candidate. 67.9.148.47 ( talk) 00:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Will editors please stop removing the reference to Independent Candidate and stop trying to promote the American Independence Party which has no relation to this article and is simply spam?
Thanks Londonlinks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonlinks ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Bob Katter (Aussie pollie) from 1 June 2011 is no longer an indepentent politician - because he is a member of the Bob Katters Australia party! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 04:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Do people think it might be a good idea to have mentions of Italy and Greece down there given that both countries currently have independent Prime Ministers? Or should our position be that technocratic leaders do not fall within the category of Independent Politicians given that they are not professional politicians in the career sense and have not been elected via the usual democratic process? I'm curious to hear people's views on this, but I think that perhaps some mention ought to be made on the page either way that non-party affiliated leaders can sometimes end up in office in democracies as technocrats during periods of crisis. Pbrione ( talk) 16:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Due to events in 1972 there cannot be independent sentors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.108.234 ( talk) 06:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Independent (politician) → Political independent – The parentheses are discouraged per WP:NATURALDIS, which specifically states that parenthetical titles should be used only "if natural disambiguation is not possible," which is not applicable here. This is the same rationale as the mechanical fan/ fan (mechanical) example.
--D ralwi k| Have a Chat 21:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
A) I wasn't notified, and B) what?? have you guys (
victor falk,
Fanx,
BDD,
BD2412,
Dralwik) even read this article? The lead notwithstanding, the entire article is clearly about politicians, meaning elected officials directly involved with the running of government. Write an article about political independents if you want, but this article is about politicians. I respect you all a lot (well, pleased to meet you, Fanx and Dralwik) but I'm stupefied to how this happened. Please read the article and then write a different article about independent voters, etc. and leave this one at a title that discusses independent politicians.
Red
Slash
03:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, if we're going to close the then-ongoing discussion because it had forked, and decided that the two directions need to be sorted out first, we actually have to have a discussion in which to do that. The points I get from the above are
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 13:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Independent (politician) →
Independent politician – The lead of the article (prior to my recent edit) notwithstanding, the entire body of this article discusses
politicians who are independent politically.
WP:NATURAL says to boot out parenthetical disambiguators whenever we can; we can here. Let's make something clear: this article is not about independent human beings who are not politicians. It is entirely about politicians. Therefore, the discussion two sections above has nothing to do with this, and we can move on and move the article at the same time. Relisted.
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The section on the US says that only Maine has elected an independent governor. Are we talking true independents (that is, those who have no affiliation) or can we also include small third parties on this list? There are numerous examples of third-party governors, the most recent being Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. whose A Connecticut Party was essentially a vehicle for his personal post-Republican political career. -- Jfruh ( talk) 02:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Senator Harry F. Byrd, Jr. was also an independent politician in United States. He was originally a Democrat but left the party in 1970, remaining in the Senate as an independent until 1983. Wooyi 03:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The IPO was created to provide ballot access for independents. Both the effort by the Oregon legislature to limit ballot access for independent candidates and efforts to remedy that action are as pertinent to this category as the references to local parties in the UK. Also, reference list from IPO web site included contemporary news articles from Oregon newspapers, fair use with attribution, that are otherwise no longer available on the web. Bad form to delete them and revert the article without at least reading the references to determine relevence, or taking part in discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Speralta ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Restored reference to independent party. The articles archived on the IPO site are from major Oregon media sources, and are cited as such. Archival of the pieces was necessary since none of the papers in question maintains articles for more than a few months.
Please also see: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.156.171 ( talk) 08:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
They have an estimated population of 1,700. Sorry, but i've removed this based on the fact it is not noteable! Timeshift ( talk) 15:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Bill Slavick received 5% of the vote, and had no impact on the race; Christy Mihos received 7% of the vote, which had no impact on the race, and was not a candidate for Congress, so should not be in the Congressional section. I've removed Slavick from the count as 'major' candidates - single-digit percentages in an election decided by more than 15% is not "major". XINOPH | TALK
As in other countries, many "independent" candidates for public office form political parties to gain ballot access in states where it is easier to form a political party than it is to run as a wholly unaffiliated candidate. Most notably, this happens in Oregon, Idaho, Connecticut, and New Mexico. These parties may or may not be called "Independent Parties". In Oregon, for example, Nader formed "the Peace Party" to gain ballot access in 2008. This page recognizes candidates who form parties for the purposes of running for public office as "independent" when it relates to other countries, but one unscrupulous editor (gang14), repeatedly changes the page without comment or discussion when similar provisions are created as it relates to the United States. Further, in some states, legislatures have similarly made it more difficult for non-affiliated candidates to gain ballot access. These changes are also frequently deleted by gang14, even though they are relevant to the history of independent politicians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.225.245.198 ( talk) 16:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
What's the deal with the addition to this article of Teddy Roosevelt's running as a Bull Moose in 1912? That wouldn't be an independent candidacy, but a third-party candidacy. Qqqqqq ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 06:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
These are different and each should have a separate entry. An independent voter may often vote for a major party candidate. 67.9.148.47 ( talk) 00:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Will editors please stop removing the reference to Independent Candidate and stop trying to promote the American Independence Party which has no relation to this article and is simply spam?
Thanks Londonlinks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Londonlinks ( talk • contribs) 23:33, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Bob Katter (Aussie pollie) from 1 June 2011 is no longer an indepentent politician - because he is a member of the Bob Katters Australia party! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 04:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Do people think it might be a good idea to have mentions of Italy and Greece down there given that both countries currently have independent Prime Ministers? Or should our position be that technocratic leaders do not fall within the category of Independent Politicians given that they are not professional politicians in the career sense and have not been elected via the usual democratic process? I'm curious to hear people's views on this, but I think that perhaps some mention ought to be made on the page either way that non-party affiliated leaders can sometimes end up in office in democracies as technocrats during periods of crisis. Pbrione ( talk) 16:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Due to events in 1972 there cannot be independent sentors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.95.108.234 ( talk) 06:14, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Independent (politician) → Political independent – The parentheses are discouraged per WP:NATURALDIS, which specifically states that parenthetical titles should be used only "if natural disambiguation is not possible," which is not applicable here. This is the same rationale as the mechanical fan/ fan (mechanical) example.
--D ralwi k| Have a Chat 21:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
A) I wasn't notified, and B) what?? have you guys (
victor falk,
Fanx,
BDD,
BD2412,
Dralwik) even read this article? The lead notwithstanding, the entire article is clearly about politicians, meaning elected officials directly involved with the running of government. Write an article about political independents if you want, but this article is about politicians. I respect you all a lot (well, pleased to meet you, Fanx and Dralwik) but I'm stupefied to how this happened. Please read the article and then write a different article about independent voters, etc. and leave this one at a title that discusses independent politicians.
Red
Slash
03:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, if we're going to close the then-ongoing discussion because it had forked, and decided that the two directions need to be sorted out first, we actually have to have a discussion in which to do that. The points I get from the above are
The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 13:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Independent (politician) →
Independent politician – The lead of the article (prior to my recent edit) notwithstanding, the entire body of this article discusses
politicians who are independent politically.
WP:NATURAL says to boot out parenthetical disambiguators whenever we can; we can here. Let's make something clear: this article is not about independent human beings who are not politicians. It is entirely about politicians. Therefore, the discussion two sections above has nothing to do with this, and we can move on and move the article at the same time. Relisted.
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So Africa does not have any independent politicians? RickyBlair668 ( talk) 08:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)