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Cerejota, I don't know how you determined that this was a good idea. Removing all of this information from the main article and grouping it here under this title is pure OR and it's ridiculous.
I suggest this information be restored to the main article under it can be determined how to deal with it correctly. We do need to spin out articles from the main one, but not this way. I propose we work on creating articles on Attacks on United Nations facilities in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict and Attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict. The information on the blockade busting ships can be put into its own article on International civilian efforts to break the blockade on Gaza. All of these can link back to the main article and the information here can be split between them.
I appreciate that you are only trying to help get the main article down to a reasonable size, but this is not the way to do it. Tiamut talk 12:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I have divided the article into 3 main sections, which I think should be eventually split into 3 articles, or at least 2 ("Attacks on United Nations facilities" and "Attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure"). Imad marie ( talk) 09:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
All I see is Israeli soldiers did this, Isreal IDF did that, define "Incidents" here because there were lots on both sides. This is almost a list of wrongs targeted against Israel and while these things may be true I feel as if this article is one sided. Knowledgekid87 19:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is very one-sided, and actually only describes the bad things Israel did. In the "Attacks on civilians" I don't see any mentioning of Hamas' fire of rockets with the intention of killing Israeli civilians. I would rename this article to "Incidents performed by Israel in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict" and then a second article on the Incidents performed by Hamas should be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.66.174 ( talk) 18:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
In view of Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090129.wgazaschool29/EmailBNStory/International/ investigation in which the UN confirms that (1) the school was not hit (2) nobody died in the school; I propose to strike out this section entirely and remove the detailed article accompanying it from the Wikipedia. I assume good intentions for both editors and media (and even the politicians who were quick to comment) and put it down to "the fog of war". But now that the "fog" has been cleared - Wikipedia must be tidied up. Politicalguy1234 ( talk) 17:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Following the Globe and Mail story, Haaretz investigated the incident and reported here http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061189.html that "Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian coordinator in Jerusalem, said Monday ...that the UN "would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school." ". In view of this I am performing the proposed edit. Politicalguy1234 ( talk) 17:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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Cerejota, I don't know how you determined that this was a good idea. Removing all of this information from the main article and grouping it here under this title is pure OR and it's ridiculous.
I suggest this information be restored to the main article under it can be determined how to deal with it correctly. We do need to spin out articles from the main one, but not this way. I propose we work on creating articles on Attacks on United Nations facilities in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict and Attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict. The information on the blockade busting ships can be put into its own article on International civilian efforts to break the blockade on Gaza. All of these can link back to the main article and the information here can be split between them.
I appreciate that you are only trying to help get the main article down to a reasonable size, but this is not the way to do it. Tiamut talk 12:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I have divided the article into 3 main sections, which I think should be eventually split into 3 articles, or at least 2 ("Attacks on United Nations facilities" and "Attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure"). Imad marie ( talk) 09:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
All I see is Israeli soldiers did this, Isreal IDF did that, define "Incidents" here because there were lots on both sides. This is almost a list of wrongs targeted against Israel and while these things may be true I feel as if this article is one sided. Knowledgekid87 19:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is very one-sided, and actually only describes the bad things Israel did. In the "Attacks on civilians" I don't see any mentioning of Hamas' fire of rockets with the intention of killing Israeli civilians. I would rename this article to "Incidents performed by Israel in the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza conflict" and then a second article on the Incidents performed by Hamas should be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.66.174 ( talk) 18:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
In view of Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090129.wgazaschool29/EmailBNStory/International/ investigation in which the UN confirms that (1) the school was not hit (2) nobody died in the school; I propose to strike out this section entirely and remove the detailed article accompanying it from the Wikipedia. I assume good intentions for both editors and media (and even the politicians who were quick to comment) and put it down to "the fog of war". But now that the "fog" has been cleared - Wikipedia must be tidied up. Politicalguy1234 ( talk) 17:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Following the Globe and Mail story, Haaretz investigated the incident and reported here http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061189.html that "Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian coordinator in Jerusalem, said Monday ...that the UN "would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school." ". In view of this I am performing the proposed edit. Politicalguy1234 ( talk) 17:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
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