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Hello! Can non-leader guests be added? Example: Bolsonaro? CoryGlee ( talk) 19:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
The following text has been repeatedly removed from this article by @ Diyac.arts: His victory was likened to that of Donald Trump in the United States and Jair Bolsonaro's in Brazil. [1] [2]
Diyac.arts has provided the following edit summary in the most recent revert: Cites partisan source of unresearched political analysis that is not representative of the historical and political significance of this event within -Argentina- nor its President-Elect. NPOV violation: Avoid stating opinions as facts. Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. Avoid stating facts as opinions. Prefer nonjudgmental language. Does not; Indicate the relative prominence of opposing views. [1]
The sources cited are both considered reliable (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). Points about the "historical and political significance" or the quality of the analysis are unsourced and verge on opinion/original research. This is not stating opinion as fact; the fact is that his victory was compared to these other events. The language is not judgmental. Rather than deleting the sentence, it should be improved per WP:PRESERVE.
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Wracking talk! 21:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
This article is not about Milei as a person/politician, but about the event of his inauguration. How is this comparison relevant to it? Cambalachero ( talk) 22:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
So, someone in a reliable source had something to say about Milei? Welcome to the club. We have the article Public image of Javier Milei specifically to get all those viewpoints out of the way and focus on the actual content of the article (in this case, the event of his inauguration). Compare with Inauguration of Donald Trump, with 206 page watchers, that article does not add any "Trump is a controversial politician because reasons" line (even if we could find plenty of sources for it), and stays focused on the inauguration itself. Besides, the problem with this content is not the source, but the concept. An "X is similar to Y" statement basically means "If you have no idea about X, then think of it as another Y, that you probably know about". Which may be fine for a quick context, as in everyday talk, but should be avoided at all costs in any better-prepared text. Because such comparisons are always faulty: when we start checking just a bit more, we can always find things from X that are different to Y, and things from Y that do not apply to X. For example, Milei may have similar ideas to Trump in some things, but radically different ones in others. For example, Trump champions trade protectionism, and Milei champions completely free trade. As for "context", Alberto Fernandez leaves a government with inflation over 130%, national reserves completely depleted and in the red, 40% of the country living in poverty, an unending number of taxes over almost everything, prohibition of importing or acquiring dollars, rampant crime with whole cities taken over by narcos, etc. Is there any similarity to the context left in the US by Barack Obama? Cambalachero ( talk) 14:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the Inauguration of Joe Biden article. I think we to a large extent can apply how that inauguration article is stuctured to how this one about Milei. My suggestion is to have the following headings if possible.
Context: A bit about the 2023 election, the campaign, Milei's statements and so one
Planning: If possible, a bit about who organized this event. This could maybe me merged with Organizers, Costs and Security if there are enough sources about these things.
Pre-inaugural events: what happened leading up to the oath (I e.g. know we will he riding on a horse)
Inaugural events: The inauguration itself and what happened immediately afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marginataen ( talk • contribs) 11:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Christina Fernandez de Kirchner gave the middle finger to people booing her during the inauguration and Javier Milei had a bottle thrown at him. Should these incidents be added? Gogetasj4 ( talk) 22:46, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hello! Can non-leader guests be added? Example: Bolsonaro? CoryGlee ( talk) 19:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
The following text has been repeatedly removed from this article by @ Diyac.arts: His victory was likened to that of Donald Trump in the United States and Jair Bolsonaro's in Brazil. [1] [2]
Diyac.arts has provided the following edit summary in the most recent revert: Cites partisan source of unresearched political analysis that is not representative of the historical and political significance of this event within -Argentina- nor its President-Elect. NPOV violation: Avoid stating opinions as facts. Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts. Avoid stating facts as opinions. Prefer nonjudgmental language. Does not; Indicate the relative prominence of opposing views. [1]
The sources cited are both considered reliable (see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). Points about the "historical and political significance" or the quality of the analysis are unsourced and verge on opinion/original research. This is not stating opinion as fact; the fact is that his victory was compared to these other events. The language is not judgmental. Rather than deleting the sentence, it should be improved per WP:PRESERVE.
References
Wracking talk! 21:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
This article is not about Milei as a person/politician, but about the event of his inauguration. How is this comparison relevant to it? Cambalachero ( talk) 22:12, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
So, someone in a reliable source had something to say about Milei? Welcome to the club. We have the article Public image of Javier Milei specifically to get all those viewpoints out of the way and focus on the actual content of the article (in this case, the event of his inauguration). Compare with Inauguration of Donald Trump, with 206 page watchers, that article does not add any "Trump is a controversial politician because reasons" line (even if we could find plenty of sources for it), and stays focused on the inauguration itself. Besides, the problem with this content is not the source, but the concept. An "X is similar to Y" statement basically means "If you have no idea about X, then think of it as another Y, that you probably know about". Which may be fine for a quick context, as in everyday talk, but should be avoided at all costs in any better-prepared text. Because such comparisons are always faulty: when we start checking just a bit more, we can always find things from X that are different to Y, and things from Y that do not apply to X. For example, Milei may have similar ideas to Trump in some things, but radically different ones in others. For example, Trump champions trade protectionism, and Milei champions completely free trade. As for "context", Alberto Fernandez leaves a government with inflation over 130%, national reserves completely depleted and in the red, 40% of the country living in poverty, an unending number of taxes over almost everything, prohibition of importing or acquiring dollars, rampant crime with whole cities taken over by narcos, etc. Is there any similarity to the context left in the US by Barack Obama? Cambalachero ( talk) 14:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
I've taken a look at the Inauguration of Joe Biden article. I think we to a large extent can apply how that inauguration article is stuctured to how this one about Milei. My suggestion is to have the following headings if possible.
Context: A bit about the 2023 election, the campaign, Milei's statements and so one
Planning: If possible, a bit about who organized this event. This could maybe me merged with Organizers, Costs and Security if there are enough sources about these things.
Pre-inaugural events: what happened leading up to the oath (I e.g. know we will he riding on a horse)
Inaugural events: The inauguration itself and what happened immediately afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marginataen ( talk • contribs) 11:37, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Christina Fernandez de Kirchner gave the middle finger to people booing her during the inauguration and Javier Milei had a bottle thrown at him. Should these incidents be added? Gogetasj4 ( talk) 22:46, 11 December 2023 (UTC)