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Im hotep was Joseph, Son of Jacob and Rachel. Sold into Egypt by his jealous brothers. IAM Hotep was a title. He brought peace and prosperity to Egypt, just as it says in the Bible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.43.207.135 ( talk) 14:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Surely the nature of the information to follow will qualify the statement without need of citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.23.41 ( talk) 21:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Pharaoh is a much later title, not applicable to old kingdom egyptian emperoros. -- ppm 20:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Is "king" a word not understood now? If we insist on using an ancient egyptian word not used now, it should be the correct one, otherwise it gives a false impression of authenticity. -- ppm 18:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Biblical words are fascinating, ain't they?-- ppm 18:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Added bit about Imhotep's tomb. I do have a book about the whole search and imhotep in general, but couldn't find it. It also is not really my expertise. Anyone want to expand on this? Garion96 21:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Almost all Egyptologists consider Imhotep to be native, or Nubian. The problem with the early period is that SO MUCH has yet to be discovered that we know very little, mostly only rumours, and hearsay, that was transmitted down the centuries. We don't know where the biblical Joseph is buried either, nor do we know the site of the tombs of King David or of Solomon. At least even the most critical scholars believe Imhotep really existed. -- Victim of signature fascism 22:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The website that is in the fringe theories section seems to be very inaccurate, as I have looked up other websites for Imhotep on Google and NONE of the websites give the information that the website in the section has, which makes me think that they were just making stuff up to inflate the theory. Therefore, I believe that the link should be removed. Therealmikelvee 19:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
207.118.9.58 04:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)There have been television documentaries on the theory that Imhotep was Joseph. These oddly enough include information regarding Imhotep's tomb, which the article says has never been found.
Regarding an item in the "Cultural Impact" section: Boris Karloff's character in the original Mummy film was Imhotep, not Kharis. Universal did make several movies about a mummy named Kharis, but the Boris Karloff film wasn't one of them. The name Kharis was introduced in the later films, in contrast to the way the article has it. --Frank
I edited a comment added by this IP "189.156.152.2" since he/she edited the article to include several profanities in spanish. Im kinda new at wikipedia, but shouldn't that IP be baned? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krasno ( talk • contribs).
How was the "I" in "Imhotep" pronounced. Was it the short i sound as in bill and pick? It would be reasonably accurate to say something like "i(short)y-em-hotep Pamour ( talk) 13:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually, nobody really knows with completely certainty how any ancient languages were pronounced. In the case of Afro-Asiatic languages, the vowels were not written (if you were a fluent speaker, you knew what they should be), as is still the case in Hebrew and Arabic inter alia today. Egyptologists learned the consonantal values by comparing personal names written in hieroglyphs to the same names written in Greek, and by searching for cognates in other languages. The vowels used to make Egyptian names pronounceable are little more than guesses, based on data from 1000–3000 years after Imhotep's time. So we know his name was imḥtp (is the dotted ḥ pharyngeal?); the i is a semivowel which could be pronounced like the English consonant y or like the i in machine. The lead sentence in the article shows a number of guesses for the vowels: different scholars differ. ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 17:23, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't know how long he lived, but currently the article has him living to be a total of 19 years.
I agree with PPM above.
The Ancient Egyptians didn't call their kings Pharaohs until well into the New Kingdom... over a thousand years later.
Over a thousand years.
See the wiki entry Pharaoh. It was a title in a letter to Aknenaten and only LATER than THIS became a title for a king. Much later.
I do not believe it serves any good purpose to universally use the term Pharaoh as King. It creates the impression that kings in the Old Kingdom were Pharaohs. They were not. Imhotep did not serve a Pharaoh. Zoser (Djoser) was not a Pharaoh. The biblical Pharaoh was a thousand years (or more) later. People will come here and see this entry and believe that Pharaoh is correct. It is not.
And it isn't just a technicality.
I think it should say "King."
King is a better word. King is not the ancient word, it is a good, understandable word used and understood now. I'm not suggesting that we use an archaic and unknown Egyptian word (to be technically accurate). I'm suggesting that we use a conceptual word. King.
PPM is 100% correct
To use the word Pharaoh is to substitute a general conceptual word (King) with a title, which is WHOLLY inaccurate. Isn't wiki supposed to be a source of truth?
Hank01 22:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
=Interesting, but the word King is not Egyptian/Khemetic. We should use the original name, whatever that was. 68.173.189.62 ( talk) 14:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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- From a link that I found I believe the glyphs for Imhotep are reversed? http://www.ancient-egypt.org/glossary/people/imhotep.html It demonstrates the order of the glyphs on a stone referencing Imhotep in reverse order.
No expert here... so I defer to those who understand the writing.
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Gnu invivo ( talk) 08:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Well that was annoying... apparently we can't use GNUPG signed messages without wikipedia's browser-based editor messing them up? The ability to use GNUPG to encrypt and sign messages accurately so that the code can be accurately copied and pasted needs to be added to wikipedia.
This would permit encoded/signed or signed/encrypted contents for a page to be shared with less errors encoded and all changes (errors and corrections) could be preserved and verifiable by the author(s)/collaborator(s) so their work is passed on to others more reliably.
To whom do I report this "bug" (the obligatory GNUPG dashes and spacing gets altered with a wikipedia submission)?
I fail to understand how a string of tildes compares to a true GNUPG signed message. Certainly both could be used I suppose. However, I do respect the notion of preserving the ability of anonymous contributors to make changes. Being able to collaborate with trusted partners on parts of wikipedia by encrypting code to each other (or groups of collaborators) would permit a more reliable product that could also be contributed to by "untrusted"/anonymous readors and collaborators.
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-- Klausok ( talk) 12:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure the above is all very interesting to those who want to believe thee sorts of things, but Wikipedia has policies on only using reliable sources and not promoting fringe views. I'm afraid there's no way that content fits in this article. DreamGuy ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
You cannot find a more reliable source than the Bible. Read Genesis Chapters 37-50. -- Drnhawkins ( talk) 16:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a link to a page about the film character Imhotep--it seems odd not to mention that the historical figure is the namesake of a major popular culture icon, kind of like not noting that Vlad Tepes is the inspiration for Count Dracula. Nareek ( talk) 18:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
While looking up some of these references, I noticed that reference #10 does not exist as cited. A search on PubMed/Medline also revealed no such article by this author.
^ Mostafa Shehata, MD (2004), "The Father of Medicine: A Historical Reconsideration", J Med Ethics 12, p. 171-176 [176]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuprin ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Try Google Scholar. The full English name of the journal is Türkiye Klinikleri Journal of Medical Ethics, Law and History (ISSN: 1303-4332). Here is a link to the abstract (and the name in Turkish):
http://tipetigi.turkiyeklinikleri.com/abstract_35025.html
I have not seen the paper itself, but the abstract asserts, "The original home of medical science is Egypt and not Greece". (An unobjectionable statement — Imhotep and his colleagues flourished more than a millenium before the Greeks took up writing.) Someone with access to medical literature might want to vet this article to see if it adds anything useful to the discussion; if it does, amend the citation and restore it. (The abstract describes Shehata as an otolaryngolist in Egypt. Google links to some pieces he has written on the history of Arab medicine.) ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 20:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
The late Prof. W.B. Emery spent some 50 years looking for the tomb of Imhotep and thought that he was getting close after the discovery of a cache of some mummified animals dedicated to Imhotep.
I'm also very wary of the ages given to some historical individuals. It was always easier to count and record lunar months rather than solar years. After biblical records have gone through translations of say Aramaic, then Hebrew and Greek, the monthly record becomes, in error, fixed as years.
Taking Methusalah as an example, the biblical 999 (months) turned into years then becomes mid 80s at death. A fantastic age for such a disease ridden period but back within the usual range of human life span. Using this method Egyptian and even biblical characters seem to have normal human life spans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 ( talk) 09:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be easier just to say that ages, sizes, numbers of enemies vanquished, etc., tend to get exagerrated in the ancient stories of all cultures? ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 17:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Legacy section, it says: "Imhotep was also identified with Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing, education, literacy and scribes through the Greco-Roman Period." I think this need clarifying and explaining as it really doesn't make sense. "Identified with Thoth" in what way and by who? It also needs sourcing to a reliable source, otherwise it really just looks like someone's original research. I'm going to remove the sentence for now. If someone restores it, can they please explain what it means and provide a cite? Thanks. 124.181.221.245 ( talk) 01:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Imhotep is the oldest known bearer of the papyrus scroll, suggesting that Imhotep was (very likely) the inventor of the papyrus scroll. If Imhotep himself was not the actual inventor of the papyrus scroll, he certainly was a notable personality in the invention process or contributed significantly to its improvement. Imhotep is the oldest known personality who handled the papyrus scroll. We do not know of any humans older than Imhotep who handled the papyrus scroll.
Descriptions of Imhotep by James Henry Breasted et. al :
"In priestly wisdom, in magic, in the formulation of wise proverbs; in medicine and architecture; this remarkable figure of Zoser's reign left so notable a reputation that his name was never forgotten. He was the patron spirit of the later scribes, to whom they regularly poured out a libation from the water-jug of their writing outfit before beginning their work." '
'Imhotep extracted medicine from plants.'
'Imhotep was portrayed as a priest with a shaven head, seated and holding a papyrus roll. Occasionally he was shown clothed in the archaic costume of a priest.'
'Of the details of his life, very little has survived though numerous statues and statuettes of him have been found. Some show him as an ordinary man who is dressed in plain attire. Others show him as a sage who is seated on a chair with a roll of papyrus on his knees or under his arm. Later, his statuettes show him with a god like beard, standing, and carrying the ankh and a scepter.'
'He is represented seated with a papyrus scroll across his knees, wearing a skullcap and a long linen kilt. We can interpret the papyrus as suggesting the sources of knowledge kept by scribes in the "House of Life". The headgear identifies Imhotep with Ptah, and his priestly linen garment symbolizes his religious purity.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okoloko ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Tell me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.86.92 ( talk) 16:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Nobody really knows exactly how to pronounce ancient languages. Sorry about that. (It bothers me, too.) See my comment above. ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 20:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed the worst of it and tagged the rest dubious. See: /info/en/?search=Mandate_of_Heaven#Divine_right_in_other_countries
My edit summary: (→Divine right in other countries: Removed mention of Joseph, who was not a pharaoh. Marked the rest with Template:dubious. If Imhotep was not a pharaoh, does his inspiration count as a mandate of heaven?)
Sorry that this is all I can do. Thanks! -- Geekdiva ( talk) 09:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I took this bibliography from Magill, Frank Northen; Aves, Alison (1998). Dictionary of World Biography. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 9781579580407. Retrieved 29 December 2014.
we need to rebuild this page with better sources J8079s ( talk) 01:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
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During my 1967 visit to south Sakkara the late Professor WB Emery was supervising digs in the area of the Step Pyramid. Prof Emery's life work was to find the tomb of Imhotep and had surmised that it was in the area of the Step Pyramid.
The mysterious South Tomb part of the Step Pyramid has so far apparently defied explanation but in 1967 there was some circumstantial evidence that the South Tomb may have been intended as the final burial place of Imhotep following the earlier style of "contracted" burials.
Has any further information become available about this possibility? AT Kunene 123 ( talk) 13:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
he sounds like he is joseph from the bible. why no mention of this? Meel11223 ( talk) 11:30, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
My question is pretty well summarized into the headline. Since I was a kid and until few years ago, all I knew about Imhotep was what is basically found in all history books of the first year: he was a vizier and the architect of Djoser's step pyramid, period.
Googling imhotep+vizier gives quite an amount of results although this does not mean anything (even if
a namesake vizier is attested during the early New Kingdom, but he is a relatively unknown figure).
This article does not call him a vizier, yet he appears as such in
Vizier (Ancient Egypt). So, I'm looking for at least a reliable source claiming that Imhotep indeed bore the tjati (vizier) title.
Khruner (
talk)
11:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
This isn't discussed in the article and I'm not at all sure about all of the sources. Anthony C. Pickett for instance was a student at Howard University when he wrote that. [1] Doug Weller talk —Preceding undated comment added 05:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The main Wikipedia article regarding Imhotep makes the erroneous point that: Imhotep was not a physician. The article is incorrect.
The First Physician: Sir William Osler described Imhotep as ‘the first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity’. His medical practices deviated from the use of magic and prayer that other Egyptian healers used and were remarkably advanced for the time.
Although there are no confirmed writings by Imhotep, the famous Edwin Smith papyrus, named after the dealer who bought it in 1862, is considered by many to have originally been written by him. This ancient text is the oldest known written manual of surgery and trauma and describes 48 cases of wounds, fractures, dislocations, and tumours. Among the treatments described are suturing of wounds, splinting, bandaging, managing infections with honey and resins and the use of raw meat for the purpose of haemostasis. Immobilisation was advised for lower limb fractures and spinal cord injuries and it also describes reasonably detailed anatomical and physiological descriptions. 68.173.189.62 ( talk) 14:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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Im hotep was Joseph, Son of Jacob and Rachel. Sold into Egypt by his jealous brothers. IAM Hotep was a title. He brought peace and prosperity to Egypt, just as it says in the Bible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.43.207.135 ( talk) 14:52, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Surely the nature of the information to follow will qualify the statement without need of citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.23.41 ( talk) 21:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Pharaoh is a much later title, not applicable to old kingdom egyptian emperoros. -- ppm 20:30, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Is "king" a word not understood now? If we insist on using an ancient egyptian word not used now, it should be the correct one, otherwise it gives a false impression of authenticity. -- ppm 18:53, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Biblical words are fascinating, ain't they?-- ppm 18:27, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Added bit about Imhotep's tomb. I do have a book about the whole search and imhotep in general, but couldn't find it. It also is not really my expertise. Anyone want to expand on this? Garion96 21:50, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Almost all Egyptologists consider Imhotep to be native, or Nubian. The problem with the early period is that SO MUCH has yet to be discovered that we know very little, mostly only rumours, and hearsay, that was transmitted down the centuries. We don't know where the biblical Joseph is buried either, nor do we know the site of the tombs of King David or of Solomon. At least even the most critical scholars believe Imhotep really existed. -- Victim of signature fascism 22:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The website that is in the fringe theories section seems to be very inaccurate, as I have looked up other websites for Imhotep on Google and NONE of the websites give the information that the website in the section has, which makes me think that they were just making stuff up to inflate the theory. Therefore, I believe that the link should be removed. Therealmikelvee 19:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
207.118.9.58 04:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)There have been television documentaries on the theory that Imhotep was Joseph. These oddly enough include information regarding Imhotep's tomb, which the article says has never been found.
Regarding an item in the "Cultural Impact" section: Boris Karloff's character in the original Mummy film was Imhotep, not Kharis. Universal did make several movies about a mummy named Kharis, but the Boris Karloff film wasn't one of them. The name Kharis was introduced in the later films, in contrast to the way the article has it. --Frank
I edited a comment added by this IP "189.156.152.2" since he/she edited the article to include several profanities in spanish. Im kinda new at wikipedia, but shouldn't that IP be baned? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Krasno ( talk • contribs).
How was the "I" in "Imhotep" pronounced. Was it the short i sound as in bill and pick? It would be reasonably accurate to say something like "i(short)y-em-hotep Pamour ( talk) 13:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually, nobody really knows with completely certainty how any ancient languages were pronounced. In the case of Afro-Asiatic languages, the vowels were not written (if you were a fluent speaker, you knew what they should be), as is still the case in Hebrew and Arabic inter alia today. Egyptologists learned the consonantal values by comparing personal names written in hieroglyphs to the same names written in Greek, and by searching for cognates in other languages. The vowels used to make Egyptian names pronounceable are little more than guesses, based on data from 1000–3000 years after Imhotep's time. So we know his name was imḥtp (is the dotted ḥ pharyngeal?); the i is a semivowel which could be pronounced like the English consonant y or like the i in machine. The lead sentence in the article shows a number of guesses for the vowels: different scholars differ. ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 17:23, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't know how long he lived, but currently the article has him living to be a total of 19 years.
I agree with PPM above.
The Ancient Egyptians didn't call their kings Pharaohs until well into the New Kingdom... over a thousand years later.
Over a thousand years.
See the wiki entry Pharaoh. It was a title in a letter to Aknenaten and only LATER than THIS became a title for a king. Much later.
I do not believe it serves any good purpose to universally use the term Pharaoh as King. It creates the impression that kings in the Old Kingdom were Pharaohs. They were not. Imhotep did not serve a Pharaoh. Zoser (Djoser) was not a Pharaoh. The biblical Pharaoh was a thousand years (or more) later. People will come here and see this entry and believe that Pharaoh is correct. It is not.
And it isn't just a technicality.
I think it should say "King."
King is a better word. King is not the ancient word, it is a good, understandable word used and understood now. I'm not suggesting that we use an archaic and unknown Egyptian word (to be technically accurate). I'm suggesting that we use a conceptual word. King.
PPM is 100% correct
To use the word Pharaoh is to substitute a general conceptual word (King) with a title, which is WHOLLY inaccurate. Isn't wiki supposed to be a source of truth?
Hank01 22:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
=Interesting, but the word King is not Egyptian/Khemetic. We should use the original name, whatever that was. 68.173.189.62 ( talk) 14:14, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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- From a link that I found I believe the glyphs for Imhotep are reversed? http://www.ancient-egypt.org/glossary/people/imhotep.html It demonstrates the order of the glyphs on a stone referencing Imhotep in reverse order.
No expert here... so I defer to those who understand the writing.
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Gnu invivo ( talk) 08:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Well that was annoying... apparently we can't use GNUPG signed messages without wikipedia's browser-based editor messing them up? The ability to use GNUPG to encrypt and sign messages accurately so that the code can be accurately copied and pasted needs to be added to wikipedia.
This would permit encoded/signed or signed/encrypted contents for a page to be shared with less errors encoded and all changes (errors and corrections) could be preserved and verifiable by the author(s)/collaborator(s) so their work is passed on to others more reliably.
To whom do I report this "bug" (the obligatory GNUPG dashes and spacing gets altered with a wikipedia submission)?
I fail to understand how a string of tildes compares to a true GNUPG signed message. Certainly both could be used I suppose. However, I do respect the notion of preserving the ability of anonymous contributors to make changes. Being able to collaborate with trusted partners on parts of wikipedia by encrypting code to each other (or groups of collaborators) would permit a more reliable product that could also be contributed to by "untrusted"/anonymous readors and collaborators.
Respectfully yours,
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-- Klausok ( talk) 12:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure the above is all very interesting to those who want to believe thee sorts of things, but Wikipedia has policies on only using reliable sources and not promoting fringe views. I'm afraid there's no way that content fits in this article. DreamGuy ( talk) 14:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
You cannot find a more reliable source than the Bible. Read Genesis Chapters 37-50. -- Drnhawkins ( talk) 16:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a link to a page about the film character Imhotep--it seems odd not to mention that the historical figure is the namesake of a major popular culture icon, kind of like not noting that Vlad Tepes is the inspiration for Count Dracula. Nareek ( talk) 18:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
While looking up some of these references, I noticed that reference #10 does not exist as cited. A search on PubMed/Medline also revealed no such article by this author.
^ Mostafa Shehata, MD (2004), "The Father of Medicine: A Historical Reconsideration", J Med Ethics 12, p. 171-176 [176]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuprin ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Try Google Scholar. The full English name of the journal is Türkiye Klinikleri Journal of Medical Ethics, Law and History (ISSN: 1303-4332). Here is a link to the abstract (and the name in Turkish):
http://tipetigi.turkiyeklinikleri.com/abstract_35025.html
I have not seen the paper itself, but the abstract asserts, "The original home of medical science is Egypt and not Greece". (An unobjectionable statement — Imhotep and his colleagues flourished more than a millenium before the Greeks took up writing.) Someone with access to medical literature might want to vet this article to see if it adds anything useful to the discussion; if it does, amend the citation and restore it. (The abstract describes Shehata as an otolaryngolist in Egypt. Google links to some pieces he has written on the history of Arab medicine.) ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 20:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
The late Prof. W.B. Emery spent some 50 years looking for the tomb of Imhotep and thought that he was getting close after the discovery of a cache of some mummified animals dedicated to Imhotep.
I'm also very wary of the ages given to some historical individuals. It was always easier to count and record lunar months rather than solar years. After biblical records have gone through translations of say Aramaic, then Hebrew and Greek, the monthly record becomes, in error, fixed as years.
Taking Methusalah as an example, the biblical 999 (months) turned into years then becomes mid 80s at death. A fantastic age for such a disease ridden period but back within the usual range of human life span. Using this method Egyptian and even biblical characters seem to have normal human life spans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 ( talk) 09:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be easier just to say that ages, sizes, numbers of enemies vanquished, etc., tend to get exagerrated in the ancient stories of all cultures? ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 17:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
In the Legacy section, it says: "Imhotep was also identified with Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing, education, literacy and scribes through the Greco-Roman Period." I think this need clarifying and explaining as it really doesn't make sense. "Identified with Thoth" in what way and by who? It also needs sourcing to a reliable source, otherwise it really just looks like someone's original research. I'm going to remove the sentence for now. If someone restores it, can they please explain what it means and provide a cite? Thanks. 124.181.221.245 ( talk) 01:29, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Imhotep is the oldest known bearer of the papyrus scroll, suggesting that Imhotep was (very likely) the inventor of the papyrus scroll. If Imhotep himself was not the actual inventor of the papyrus scroll, he certainly was a notable personality in the invention process or contributed significantly to its improvement. Imhotep is the oldest known personality who handled the papyrus scroll. We do not know of any humans older than Imhotep who handled the papyrus scroll.
Descriptions of Imhotep by James Henry Breasted et. al :
"In priestly wisdom, in magic, in the formulation of wise proverbs; in medicine and architecture; this remarkable figure of Zoser's reign left so notable a reputation that his name was never forgotten. He was the patron spirit of the later scribes, to whom they regularly poured out a libation from the water-jug of their writing outfit before beginning their work." '
'Imhotep extracted medicine from plants.'
'Imhotep was portrayed as a priest with a shaven head, seated and holding a papyrus roll. Occasionally he was shown clothed in the archaic costume of a priest.'
'Of the details of his life, very little has survived though numerous statues and statuettes of him have been found. Some show him as an ordinary man who is dressed in plain attire. Others show him as a sage who is seated on a chair with a roll of papyrus on his knees or under his arm. Later, his statuettes show him with a god like beard, standing, and carrying the ankh and a scepter.'
'He is represented seated with a papyrus scroll across his knees, wearing a skullcap and a long linen kilt. We can interpret the papyrus as suggesting the sources of knowledge kept by scribes in the "House of Life". The headgear identifies Imhotep with Ptah, and his priestly linen garment symbolizes his religious purity.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okoloko ( talk • contribs) 23:41, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Tell me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.86.92 ( talk) 16:51, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Nobody really knows exactly how to pronounce ancient languages. Sorry about that. (It bothers me, too.) See my comment above. ''' '' Solo Owl '' ''' ( talk) 20:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
I removed the worst of it and tagged the rest dubious. See: /info/en/?search=Mandate_of_Heaven#Divine_right_in_other_countries
My edit summary: (→Divine right in other countries: Removed mention of Joseph, who was not a pharaoh. Marked the rest with Template:dubious. If Imhotep was not a pharaoh, does his inspiration count as a mandate of heaven?)
Sorry that this is all I can do. Thanks! -- Geekdiva ( talk) 09:00, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I took this bibliography from Magill, Frank Northen; Aves, Alison (1998). Dictionary of World Biography. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 9781579580407. Retrieved 29 December 2014.
we need to rebuild this page with better sources J8079s ( talk) 01:22, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
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During my 1967 visit to south Sakkara the late Professor WB Emery was supervising digs in the area of the Step Pyramid. Prof Emery's life work was to find the tomb of Imhotep and had surmised that it was in the area of the Step Pyramid.
The mysterious South Tomb part of the Step Pyramid has so far apparently defied explanation but in 1967 there was some circumstantial evidence that the South Tomb may have been intended as the final burial place of Imhotep following the earlier style of "contracted" burials.
Has any further information become available about this possibility? AT Kunene 123 ( talk) 13:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
he sounds like he is joseph from the bible. why no mention of this? Meel11223 ( talk) 11:30, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
My question is pretty well summarized into the headline. Since I was a kid and until few years ago, all I knew about Imhotep was what is basically found in all history books of the first year: he was a vizier and the architect of Djoser's step pyramid, period.
Googling imhotep+vizier gives quite an amount of results although this does not mean anything (even if
a namesake vizier is attested during the early New Kingdom, but he is a relatively unknown figure).
This article does not call him a vizier, yet he appears as such in
Vizier (Ancient Egypt). So, I'm looking for at least a reliable source claiming that Imhotep indeed bore the tjati (vizier) title.
Khruner (
talk)
11:42, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
This isn't discussed in the article and I'm not at all sure about all of the sources. Anthony C. Pickett for instance was a student at Howard University when he wrote that. [1] Doug Weller talk —Preceding undated comment added 05:34, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
The main Wikipedia article regarding Imhotep makes the erroneous point that: Imhotep was not a physician. The article is incorrect.
The First Physician: Sir William Osler described Imhotep as ‘the first figure of a physician to stand out clearly from the mists of antiquity’. His medical practices deviated from the use of magic and prayer that other Egyptian healers used and were remarkably advanced for the time.
Although there are no confirmed writings by Imhotep, the famous Edwin Smith papyrus, named after the dealer who bought it in 1862, is considered by many to have originally been written by him. This ancient text is the oldest known written manual of surgery and trauma and describes 48 cases of wounds, fractures, dislocations, and tumours. Among the treatments described are suturing of wounds, splinting, bandaging, managing infections with honey and resins and the use of raw meat for the purpose of haemostasis. Immobilisation was advised for lower limb fractures and spinal cord injuries and it also describes reasonably detailed anatomical and physiological descriptions. 68.173.189.62 ( talk) 14:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
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