There is no reason to use the word fiction. Why not say 'speculation' or 'theory' for things unknown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.101.135 ( talk) 10:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This bottom sentence is clearly an edit but why does wikipedia have the wrong founder? The founder of the illuminati was Galileo not Adam Weishaupt, he was only a member at the time with several other and Galileo as their head —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.158.154 ( talk) 15:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
There's no evidence at present that The Illuminati Order Homepage, Official website of The Illuminati Order, or Orden Illuminati Consejo Central México are anything more than webpages, nor evidence that they're notable in any way. Delete? Шизомби ( talk) 05:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the real illuinati disbanded, so there really just hoax's. Liam Robson ( L-ROB) 02:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the OTO's use of the Latin word for "Enlightened" as one of its grades constitutes a connection to the Bavarian Illuminati, or "modern groups calling themselves Illuminati". The purpose of the OTO is to attain enlightenment. Hence, the name of the grade.
KBlackthorne (
talk)
06:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)KBlackthorne
FYI, given the on going vandalism (some POV, some just nonsense), I requested an indefinite semi-protect. We didn't quite get indefinite... but at least we have a long term respite... 6 months of peace (be allert in March of next year). Blueboar ( talk) 23:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I am The Illuminati, i am the new world order fear my wrath 2012 is my year to.... do something... GOOD for mankind —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.32.158 ( talk) 04:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
"Theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati, including Winston Churchill, the Bush family,[10] Barack Obama, [11] the Rothschild family,[12] David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski." Including Rush Limbaugh as a "theorist" is stretching the definition, as is the inclusion of the illuminati news, and the "sligthly" tin-foil poweredbyjesus site.
Surely it is a little misleading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekfetenmet ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYiEYrHuZcY
why would he reference this? It would be a terrible metaphor if not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.242.27 ( talk) 18:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
The question must be asked, "who is the fellow in this video?"
The group of "Illuminati" often looked upon as fictitious are those believed to be in control of the world via the monetary system, but not in a form of power where they can do what they want absolutely as of 2009. Their goal is to use monetary devices to weaken the people via media, spirituality, wealth, etc., and once in total power either kill a large majority of the population to save the earth from the dangers of over population or to heard the population in an Orwellian manner to serve their subjective greater good.
In the video the gentlemen is grouping the Federal Reserve [USA] with Hank Paulson for creating the economic circumstances of the day. It is commonly believed that the market is not controlled by a select few individuals and that it is free and or mysterious. Based on ancestry {blood lines}, memberships in secret societies [skull and bones for example] and geopolitical position one can arrive at a conclusion that this elite class is being intentionally harmful to a system others deem for the entire people's ownership and responsibility. The people are often referred to as "conspiracy theorists." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.242.27 ( talk) 06:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
I posted over external links a link to an article about a theory-conspiracy about Illuminati :
http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/799/38/
The site does not advertise or promote any stuff , neither it is a blog , but an editor kept to delete the link opening a flame about nothing , I hope that some real administrator will verify the good sense of my action and will allow the link , else will give good reason , not propaganda of the nothing , about the censorship applied on that innocent (demonstrate opposite) link .
Thank you.
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Sp4rt4n (
talk) 17:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sp4rt4n (
talk •
contribs)
17:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
According to William Guy Car in his book "Satan Prince of This World", he describes how a member of the Illuminati was struck by lightning whilst riding his horse through a town. The Bavarian Gov. found documents on the rider incriminating the order. They had them arrested on grounds they where trying to conduct treasonous activities. The Bavarian gov. subsequently published the findings to the general public. The books Title is stated in "Satan prince of this world". :P yay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.155.189 ( talk) 03:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I just feel there is not much information given in this article, it all revolves around how the conspiracy theorists relate them with New World Order and all. I believe more should be written about THEM and the causes and how they had the downfall and give possible indications of their existence, Lexi lover ( talk) 11:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
What if everything that happened in our global history was not a coincidence? What if the world as we know it was someehow governed and controlled by secret beings that we have never seen before, but they somehow control how we think, what we do, how we feel, and what we believe? Are we living through the thoughts of people who consider themselves as an " Elite of the World" or are we, as humans, really living strictly through our very own thoughts? Many strongly believe that the illuminati is a society of evil that created the break-outs of mjor diseases, started the wars, and influenced many other events, but its true intentions are still unknown. Whether or not the Illuminati is real or fictitious is still arguable and very much disputed. Atrerokristina ( talk) 18:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)atrerokristina
{{
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Other rumored members include Jeffrey C Harris.
99.69.72.114 ( talk) 14:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
Spigot
Map
15:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I wandered into the article and was surprised to discover that President Obama was listed in the suspected Illuminati members. I was shocked further to find that the source for the inclusion is a Rush Limbaugh "Themed" site. Taken from the disclaimer at the bottom of the page
If nobody has any concerns, I'd like to remove the link and President Obama from the list as the source to support this claim is just a simple enthusiast site that does not have Limbaugh's support or endorsement and therefore fails at being a reliable source. If no objections are raised in 2 weeks, I'll make the change. I understand WP:BRD, but prefer to discuss before making a bold change that has the potential to spark an edit war. Hasteur ( talk) 03:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The above user has added a lot of material relating to the various Illuminati conspiracy theories which I have reverted for two reasons: 1) his material was overly detailed... we have separate articles for conspiracy theories and so this article should summarize (briefly) and point to them, rather than go into details. 2) his material seems a bit POV... presenting the conspiracy theories as factual when they are not. I would like to discuss such changes here on the talk page before we add material promoting a fringe POV to a serious article. Blueboar ( talk) 14:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I have also made recent edits. Why had that been reverted? ( WalkingInTheLight2 ( talk) 18:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC))
There is no reason to use the word fiction. Why not say 'speculation' or 'theory' for things unknown? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.101.135 ( talk) 10:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
This bottom sentence is clearly an edit but why does wikipedia have the wrong founder? The founder of the illuminati was Galileo not Adam Weishaupt, he was only a member at the time with several other and Galileo as their head —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.158.154 ( talk) 15:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
There's no evidence at present that The Illuminati Order Homepage, Official website of The Illuminati Order, or Orden Illuminati Consejo Central México are anything more than webpages, nor evidence that they're notable in any way. Delete? Шизомби ( talk) 05:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the real illuinati disbanded, so there really just hoax's. Liam Robson ( L-ROB) 02:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the OTO's use of the Latin word for "Enlightened" as one of its grades constitutes a connection to the Bavarian Illuminati, or "modern groups calling themselves Illuminati". The purpose of the OTO is to attain enlightenment. Hence, the name of the grade.
KBlackthorne (
talk)
06:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)KBlackthorne
FYI, given the on going vandalism (some POV, some just nonsense), I requested an indefinite semi-protect. We didn't quite get indefinite... but at least we have a long term respite... 6 months of peace (be allert in March of next year). Blueboar ( talk) 23:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I am The Illuminati, i am the new world order fear my wrath 2012 is my year to.... do something... GOOD for mankind —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.32.158 ( talk) 04:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
"Theorists have claimed that many notable people were or are members of the Illuminati, including Winston Churchill, the Bush family,[10] Barack Obama, [11] the Rothschild family,[12] David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski." Including Rush Limbaugh as a "theorist" is stretching the definition, as is the inclusion of the illuminati news, and the "sligthly" tin-foil poweredbyjesus site.
Surely it is a little misleading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekfetenmet ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYiEYrHuZcY
why would he reference this? It would be a terrible metaphor if not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.242.27 ( talk) 18:59, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
The question must be asked, "who is the fellow in this video?"
The group of "Illuminati" often looked upon as fictitious are those believed to be in control of the world via the monetary system, but not in a form of power where they can do what they want absolutely as of 2009. Their goal is to use monetary devices to weaken the people via media, spirituality, wealth, etc., and once in total power either kill a large majority of the population to save the earth from the dangers of over population or to heard the population in an Orwellian manner to serve their subjective greater good.
In the video the gentlemen is grouping the Federal Reserve [USA] with Hank Paulson for creating the economic circumstances of the day. It is commonly believed that the market is not controlled by a select few individuals and that it is free and or mysterious. Based on ancestry {blood lines}, memberships in secret societies [skull and bones for example] and geopolitical position one can arrive at a conclusion that this elite class is being intentionally harmful to a system others deem for the entire people's ownership and responsibility. The people are often referred to as "conspiracy theorists." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.242.27 ( talk) 06:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
I posted over external links a link to an article about a theory-conspiracy about Illuminati :
http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/799/38/
The site does not advertise or promote any stuff , neither it is a blog , but an editor kept to delete the link opening a flame about nothing , I hope that some real administrator will verify the good sense of my action and will allow the link , else will give good reason , not propaganda of the nothing , about the censorship applied on that innocent (demonstrate opposite) link .
Thank you.
--
Sp4rt4n (
talk) 17:39, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Sp4rt4n (
talk •
contribs)
17:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
According to William Guy Car in his book "Satan Prince of This World", he describes how a member of the Illuminati was struck by lightning whilst riding his horse through a town. The Bavarian Gov. found documents on the rider incriminating the order. They had them arrested on grounds they where trying to conduct treasonous activities. The Bavarian gov. subsequently published the findings to the general public. The books Title is stated in "Satan prince of this world". :P yay —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.155.189 ( talk) 03:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I just feel there is not much information given in this article, it all revolves around how the conspiracy theorists relate them with New World Order and all. I believe more should be written about THEM and the causes and how they had the downfall and give possible indications of their existence, Lexi lover ( talk) 11:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
What if everything that happened in our global history was not a coincidence? What if the world as we know it was someehow governed and controlled by secret beings that we have never seen before, but they somehow control how we think, what we do, how we feel, and what we believe? Are we living through the thoughts of people who consider themselves as an " Elite of the World" or are we, as humans, really living strictly through our very own thoughts? Many strongly believe that the illuminati is a society of evil that created the break-outs of mjor diseases, started the wars, and influenced many other events, but its true intentions are still unknown. Whether or not the Illuminati is real or fictitious is still arguable and very much disputed. Atrerokristina ( talk) 18:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)atrerokristina
{{
editsemiprotected}}
Other rumored members include Jeffrey C Harris.
99.69.72.114 ( talk) 14:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide
reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
Spigot
Map
15:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I wandered into the article and was surprised to discover that President Obama was listed in the suspected Illuminati members. I was shocked further to find that the source for the inclusion is a Rush Limbaugh "Themed" site. Taken from the disclaimer at the bottom of the page
If nobody has any concerns, I'd like to remove the link and President Obama from the list as the source to support this claim is just a simple enthusiast site that does not have Limbaugh's support or endorsement and therefore fails at being a reliable source. If no objections are raised in 2 weeks, I'll make the change. I understand WP:BRD, but prefer to discuss before making a bold change that has the potential to spark an edit war. Hasteur ( talk) 03:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The above user has added a lot of material relating to the various Illuminati conspiracy theories which I have reverted for two reasons: 1) his material was overly detailed... we have separate articles for conspiracy theories and so this article should summarize (briefly) and point to them, rather than go into details. 2) his material seems a bit POV... presenting the conspiracy theories as factual when they are not. I would like to discuss such changes here on the talk page before we add material promoting a fringe POV to a serious article. Blueboar ( talk) 14:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I have also made recent edits. Why had that been reverted? ( WalkingInTheLight2 ( talk) 18:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC))